Mikey152

Three things and I am gonna move on from the thread: - regrading the rape charges, none of us should be playing morality police here…we should have learned our lesson. The Bills take that kind of thing seriously, so if they’re good, we should be good. - regarding never playing football or defensive line…let’s not make it out to be rocket science. It’s defensive line. That’s where every coach puts the big dumb guys. Most of what you learn playing defensive line beyond the basic rules of football is how to whip the man across from you…pretty much the same thing you learn in wrestling. The reason there aren’t more wrestlers in football is because most of them aren’t big enough to play on the line. And to those that say it hasn’t happened very often in the past, most guys who dedicate their life to a sport to the point where they win a gold medal aren’t only 24 when they decide to move on. More like 34. It’s rare that an elite AND accomplished athlete changes sports at such a young age. - lastly, I find this whole thing ironic. Not more than a month ago, quite a few people on this board were talking about how they could scout players better than pro scouts and Beane EVEN THOUGH THEY NEVER WERE PRO SCOUTS. Whole threads about how experience doesn’t really matter. Unless you are a DL, apparently…then you need years of experience tackling dummies in pads.

https://www.clearfallswrestling.net/why-wrestle.html

Don’t forget Carlton Hasselrig. NCAA champ, same height and weight as Steveson, never played football and went to the pro bowl with the steelers. Playing on the interior of a football line translates quite a bit to wrestling…Tim Krumrie was a big believer in that back in the day. this isn’t just a wrestler, he is perhaps the best heavyweight wrestler ever. And he is only 24. Why not?

Gonna hang out with her next week.. (she’s married to Ricky Fowler and usually at the Memorial)

Worked for Carlton Hasselrig...why not give it a shot?

Like I said, there is nothing wrong with having an opinion. there is nothing wrong with doing your own "analysis", either. Lets be real, though...we're all just fans, and most of us are just casual fans who may or may not have played some football at some point in our lives. Our idea of breaking down Keon Coleman's tape is 100% outcome dependent you walk in with the idea that he "doesn't get separation", watch some plays where he isn't wide open, and confirm said opinion. But I have some counter questions, like...compared to who? What kind of coverage? Who was covering? What route? Was the ball on time? ALL of these are important when grading something as simple as separation, and most of them are not questions a casual fan could answer. So sure, you can have your opinion...but be real. Just say "I read he can't separate, and based on my untrained eye I can see why they say that". Not " based on my hours of film study, I believe Keon Coleman cannot separate...anyone who disagrees show me where on the tape I am wrong" like they are some sort of authoritative source. Nobody takes that seriously, man. Even if he is right, even a broken clock is right twice a day... As for Coleman, I haven't watched all his plays. But the kid was a major recruit AT POINT GUARD. If you think he isn't athletic enough to separate, you're insane. So if he has had issues, it is more than likely things like inexperience, scheme, etc... Side note: If a WR separates and the CB recovers before the ball arrives, that is on the QB, not the WR.

And opportunity... But along these lines, I still remember something Tom Brady said way back when asked about guys like Alex Smith (the 49ers version) and Vince Young. He was talking about how he had this huge advantage because he had been running basically the same system his whole time in the NFL. Practice was about perfection, not learning, for him. He could install stuff from 5 years ago for an opponent if it gave them an advantage in a given week. He also got thrown in the fire early. Had to make reads and play QB because he was slow. Thinks a running QB sometimes struggles at being a QB because they can escape with their legs...it's not that it isn't valuable, just that it can limit your growth if you let it. Sometimes the most physically gifted guys have poor work ethic and/or skills because they never needed them before the NFL

Here's my problem with guys like PBF81...he didn't come up with his "Keon Coleman can't separate" narrative on his own. He read something that someone wrote, who read something that someone else wrote, who all trace back to a single source (Harman) about how how per some metrics Keon Coleman couldn't separate at FSU and he should be a big slot or he will flop in the NFL. Now everyone else is parroting "big slot" based on their "film study", including MB scouts. When questioned, the old fallback is "I do better than NFL front offices, look up my stats!" or "lets review the tape together" Please. You want to review tape together? Instead of telling me when Coleman got separation...PBF81 or any armchair scout, please breakdown the first three plays from the video. Tell me about the offensive concept, the defense, and the WR keys/reads. I want to see if you actually know what you are talking about, or if you are literally just watching for outcomes. That will tell me if you are worth listening to or not. Hypothetical? Fine...everyone has an opinion. But acting like you are a football expert...come on man. Save it for someone that is more gullible

Or the offense we played with Josh as the QB. "McDermott is a control freak" and "Mcdermott loves ball control" And yet, under his tenure they pass a ton and have had a top offense. So either he isn't in control, or he isn't a strict ball control coach.

You know, for a team that has the second most wins in football over the last 5 years...there is A LOT of distrust regarding the FO and coaching staff. I know that stems from a lack of SB victories (or even appearances), but wow. Everyone loved the Von Miller signing until they didn't...now they want to repeat it at WR AND give picks??? You'd think situations like Bernard would temper opinions, but people wiped that egg right off and got right back on the no-name train.

You can't have it both ways...Mcdermott has been the head coach here for 7 seasons, yet his fingerprints are only on the second half of 2023? Ok. Lest we forget Mcdermott fired his original OC to hire Daboll, but of course BD did everything behind Mcdermott's back, right?

This "it's Mcdermott's fault" narrative has to stop. Sean Mcdermott has been the coach here for ALL of Josh Allen's career. He was the head coach when we passed on practically every play. You act like Daboll just didn't listen to him and everyone since is his puppet. That's ridiculous.

Contracts? cough kincaid cough or would you have preferred a receiver with that pick?

Flat out...fans are playing fantasy football. So are draft analysts and talking heads. They look at these players based on a series of numbers and act like they are plug and play. Need I remind you Mike Mayock was a GM for a hot minute...remind me how that went. Most of the "draft experts" on this board formulate their boards based on what they read on the internet, which is in turn probably sourced from somewhere else on the internet, which is sourced form an insider using information from scouts and coaches. Nobody here is just watching a bunch of college football and coming up with their "board" based on what they saw. You're already biased toward industry beliefs before you even start your e v a l.

That was the point...they didn't draft a TE because they had one...The Bills didn't draft receivers high because they had them already.

Clearly the Bills value TE more than the Chiefs...drafted Knox in the third round AND Kincaid in the first. Meanwhile, the Chiefs haven't spent a Day one or two pick on a TE since 2013. Clearly Chiefs think TE is a waste of space on their roster. Did you ever think maybe the Chiefs spent more on receiver the last couple years because they didn't have Diggs and Davis???

Retrospective validation is inherently flawed. It assumes that the only variable is the player, as if they are just plug and play. Example: Twin kickers, identical in every single way...one goes to a dome and the other goes to Buffalo. Who do you has the higher odds of winding up with a better FG%? Things like coaches, teammates, personal life, etc all have impact on how well a guy performs. Using such a simple model as comparing the actual draft to a big board is incredibly simplistic... Everyone likes to say the Bills are lucky because they drafted Josh...as if they had nothing to do with his development. Or that Buffalo wasn't a good fit as a town. Sure, general consensus on a players value can be guided by group think...everyone watches these guys play. But lets be real...most of these big boards are based on what industry guys tell these prognosticators. They talk to scouts and GMs. Their opinion isn't just their own. But it is generic. There is no way to know what a team values or needs better than the team picking.

Something you all seem to be ignoring in this massive complain fest is.... The Bills have been pretty freaking good for most of the time Josh, McD and BB have been here. Like, outside of his rookie season, they have been in the playoffs every year and most seasons they are picking in the late 20's with one of the best records in the league. By that point in the early rounds, you are kind of stuck with what other teams didn't take. Reaching for a WR at that point is silly.

Two things: First, the nice thing about Coleman is his best attribute(s) are related to his natural athleticism. So, while he might not be a focal point at the start of the season, he CAN be useful on the field day 1 playing what I would call the "Gabe Davis" role (ie the X receiver who blocks, runs a limited route tree and uncovers on scramble drills). I think his ball skills compared to Gabe give him a chance to be an upgrade in that role from day 1. Second, I think the Diggs targets are going to Kincaid, Shakir and Samuel (or maybe even Hamler works his way into the rotation). 12 personnel, for example, takes lot of pressure off any outside receiver. Eventually, maybe Coleman becomes a force...but I think just asking him to win in the redzone and on scramble drills, pick up some YAC in the quick pass game, and do a half decent job as a blocker is all he really needs to do to help this offense be efficient.

Side note, that's not blood...it's myoglobin.

To be fair…if you run two TE and they both play on the ball (split or not), the rest of the skill players can line up wherever you want. also, lots of teams line up “slot” receivers on the line against zone and/or off coverage..

Numbers without context…how lazy is that? most of those games were as a rookie behind Sutton and Jeudy. Then he had hamstring issues, a torn ACL, a torn pec and heart issues (likely viral) right around when Hamlin almost died and semi-retired. We are talking skills, here. Did you watch him at Penn State? Or as a rookie in Denver? He is lightning in a bottle. I’m not putting much stock in him breaking out due to his lengthy injury history, but I could easily see him being a Hollywood Brown clone if he can stay healthy.

He’s hardly a JAG…He is incredibly talented, and he might be the fastest guy on the team. That said, his injury history is brutal. If he doesn’t make the team, it’s likely due to medical issues.

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I think they like the guys they drafted/added last year like Shorter, Shavers, Isabella. not for nothing, but if (and it is a big if) Kj Hamler is healthy…he’s way better than anyone we could have drafted in round 3 on.