[Josh Allen injury update(officially questionable - expected to start per Ian Rappaport)]

Any loss at this point is crucial. The D isn’t healthy enough to carry this team to victories 

[Need upgrades at WR]

1 hour ago, Beck Water said:

 

That may have had to do with the fact that the secondary we faced was one of the worst we faced all season (Pittsburgh, missing several starters)

Same could be said for Gabe then

[are receivers open question - with crappy film snaps]

Is he not allowed to have a bad game or two. Everyone was saying the same ***** last year as well, how’d he finish the season? Until yesterday he was the clear cut MVP, now he’s dog *****. A lot of players struggled yesterday. And in the play you are dissecting it looks like Gabe and Allen are not on the same page. We know Allen ain’t gonna throw anyone under the bus so he has taken ownership in the mistake. 

[Need upgrades at WR]

10 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

Everyone but Diggs needs to "play better".  

Pretty much…. Allen was bound to have a bad stretch when he only has 1 guy performing. 

[Hmm, do i have the takes correct?]

9 minutes ago, Mango said:

 

Josh has sucked for 6 quarters. Sure other things go wrong as well, but in 2022 when your QB plays like poop that is where the problem starts. 

Allen was the first to admit it, it is tough to win when your QB plays like garbage. It happens. I don't think its career defining, but I also don't think its valid to pin his crappy play on anybody else other than him. I am half way through the GB all 22 at this point and he is super eratic, bailing out of clean pockets, spinning around when all he needs to do is step up, staring down receivers, etc. He got bailed out by a couple of chunk plays, but it wasn't a great first half either. 

 

While Allen had 6 quarters of bad play this season, Gabe has had about 6 quarters of good play this season. 🤔

[Need upgrades at WR]

3 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

These are his stats.  Take it up with the provider if you disagree with them.

 

Davis needs more targets, plain and simple.

So more balls can hit the ground? 46% catch rate. He’s needs to play better before he gets more targets

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24 minutes ago, nedboy7 said:

Josh plays like ***** and now we have go thru each player one by one in this manner?  What a joke. 

Yeah he’s the only one who played like *****. Stop this nonsense 

[Hmm, do i have the takes correct?]

22 minutes ago, Mango said:

 

To an extent. I am going through the GB all-22 now and Josh forced the ball twice to Davis on the first two pass plays. I will admit Davis should have caught the second one. But Knox was the far better option there. The second play Josh abandoned the pocket way too early and slings a terrible ball to Davis down the sideline deep when he could have let Singletary or Diggs try and make a play one on one right in front of him. 

Both were bad plays by the QB. 

 

(EDIT: All-22 used to be better. I used to have way more control of each play, rewind, slow motion, etc. I think I used to be able to select a play, possession, quarter etc. Now it is a continuous video. Hard dislike on the NFL plus)

Yeah it all the Qb. Gabe is catching 46% of his targets and it’s all the QB fault. Why don’t you look that stat up compared to all the other #2 WRs in the league. It’s easy to look at film and see other options when you don’t know where his first,second and third reads lead him. A lot different while your on the field making these reads. Gabe has been terrible beside a few plays, you can’t tel me otherwise or blame his lack of production on anyone but himself. Diggs is producing, why can’t Gabe. Diggs is gotta be catching over 70% of his targets, why can’t Gabe? McKenzie 66% and Knox 74%. 

[Need upgrades at WR]

2 hours ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

He has only 38 targets, yet 451 yards for a whopping 25 YPC and 18.4 YAC.  He has 3 drops all season and 4 of his intended targets were INTs tossed by Josh.

 

But yes, by all means, a demotion is in order....

He had two drops yesterday, or do they not count as drops when the ball hits you right in the chest? Do ya gotta have your hands on it for it to be a drop. Either way he’s playing terrible. We don’t need a 25 yard a catch average, we need the basic plays to be caught to move the chains. 

[Who has been the biggest disappointment?]

Davis, McKenzie and Knox.. How can it be anyone else? Not sure how anyone can put Shakir on the list, he’s lining up in numerous positions and seeing the field very little. You ain’t replacing Knox and Gabe with anyone so the only change can be Shakir and McKenzie. Let the rook play and focus on one position. 

[Hmm, do i have the takes correct?]

10 minutes ago, Mango said:

 

Gabe Davis is so far down my list of issues for the last two weeks. McKenzie should be replaced by Shakir. I agree. 

 

Our super star QB hasn't played like a super star QB for 2 weeks now. That is problem number 1. Full stop. Everything else on the offensive side of the ball is in the peripheral. 

12 targets, 4 catches and 4 drops the last two games and that’s down your list? I agree about McKenzie.  
 

Our superstar qb can’t get open and catch the ball himself. As bad as Josh played without him  It would of been a lot worse. 

[Hmm, do i have the takes correct?]

1 hour ago, Mango said:

 

I mean….

 

QB has been a huge problem the last 6 quarters. It starts there. We’ve seen Davis and Co make plays for this year. I’ll wait to sharpen my pit fork when the QB starts plying better again. 
 

Next up us injuries to the secondary and defensive philosophy. The DL is playing like they have a 24 point lead. 

Davis had two drops yesterday. One ended a drive the other ended the game. McKenzie is a ***** ghost besides his sweeps.  Both have made big plays but after that they have both become unreliable for basic plays. 

[NFL Week #9 - 11/6/2022 - The Bills at the (NJ) Jets - Post Game thread]

37 minutes ago, Steptide said:

You're correct. But the defense also let the jets just run it 75 yards for the game winning fg

Jets passed once and the drive started on our 4 yard line😂. Not sure what is more embarrassing, that or losing to the Pats while they attempted 3 passes all game. 
 

What’s the point of having all those DBs on the field if they ain’t even passing? 

[Need upgrades at WR]

3 minutes ago, CincyBillsFan said:

I know a lot of people on TBD didn't like Beasley but McKenzie/Shakir haven't come close to matching his production (82 catches last season).  There is an art to playing slot and Mck/Shakir don't have it.  Shakir may develop into a fine slot receiver but as a rookie he looks lost out there. 

 

 

Shakir has hardly seen the field. His only game where he got a decent amount of snaps our O looked the best it has all season.

 

McKenzie was suppose to fill that roll and he isn’t working out. 

[Can we talk about how 2 teams in a row ran it down our throat...]

3 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Possibly. But are we sure that Taron failing to do that was a big reason for the run game struggles? I'm not saying it definitely wasn't yesterday but I can tell you it wasn't against the Packers because I have watched the all22 of that game. The problem against the Packers was tackling at the point of attack. First man not getting the job done often enough. We weren't struggling to get off blocks so much as we were struggling to get the runners down. 

 

Simply from the TV broadcast yesterday it looked like our problems started up front and the interior defensive line in particular. I reserve the right to change my mind when I watch that back, but I felt like we lost up front too often yesterday. 

Man we are getting overpowered in the nickel every year and these coaches sit back like adding a LBer for extra help will kill our defense. 

2 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:

I don’t disagree with that, but I think you are over looking the impact of the missing personnel on the defensive scheme.  
 

 

This is a yearly thing for the Bills. When the O struggles teams are content just pounding the rock on us. I

[Can we talk about how 2 teams in a row ran it down our throat...]

6 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

While I agree with this totally, my worry yesterday (and to an extent last week) is that the very expensively assembled defensive line has been pushed about. It was a philosophical choice from Brandon Beane to spend is FA dollars on the defensive front rather than the offensive line and/or receiving corps. Through the first 6 games it was hard to argue with that approach because even through some injuries the line had played really well. I'm not saying the last two weeks proves that it was a wrong decision, but they have to get back to form. Yesterday I thought all 4 defensive tackles had relatively poor games. 

 

 

There were 5 defensive backs on the field, yes, but they were essentially in 4-3 alignment a lot. Taron was basically playing as a linebacker. So unless you think Taron getting taken out of plays was a big part of the problem (maybe it was I'd have to watch it back) then I think the personnel thing is a bit of a red herring. Because literally it would just be Dodson standing in the same place as Taron. 

I bet you Dodson can shed a block and be more effective stopping a power run game then Taron…. 

[Can we talk about how 2 teams in a row ran it down our throat...]

1 minute ago, Alphadawg7 said:

 

We were missing 40% of our starting defense, of which are amongst the best in the NFL at their respective positions.  That is not just something you easily patch up like no big deal.  You don't take all pro caliber players off the field and replace them with backups and just assume "next man up" can do the same job the all pros were.  

 

If we lost Diggs on offense and had to start Kumerow, it would be insane to expect the same performance.  Why people think plug and play is so easy on defense is puzzling to me.  

 

So for me, I am less concerned about about the defense which is not healthy right now compared to our mostly healthy offense struggling. And outside of 2 halves of football (2nd half GB and 2nd half Jets), Bills run D has been excellent the rest of the season.  So I am not going to panic over 2 halves of football with a severely injured Defense.  

 

And more importantly, in those same 2 halves, it was our offense that was sputtering and kept forcing the defense back on the field thanks to some turnovers and unsustained drives.  

We were getting pushed around by heavy set offences and we continued to trot 5 dbs on the field. Despite the injuries the defensive scheme was a huge part of the problem. 

[Need upgrades at WR]

People are starting to realize. Last week when this was posted a lot of people laughed and thought it was garbage. 

[NFL Week #9 - 11/6/2022 - The Bills at the (NJ) Jets - Post Game thread]

Did anyone ever see the phantom holding replay on last drive? Oddly I think there was one against us on the last drive when we lost to the Phins too. 

[Can we talk about how 2 teams in a row ran it down our throat...]

19 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:

Edmunds was again all over the field, and people just blindly blaming him when he was not even the issue.  Its like people don't even watch the games, they just come out and say we lost because of Edmunds by default.  

 

Our defense was literally missing 4 of its absolute best players, and amongst the best in the NFL in Hyde, Poyer, Milano, and Tre.  Then we had our first round pick get hurt and miss part of the game too.  And we gave up just 20 points.  Just like last week, people were freaking out about the D despite winning by 10 points.  

 

The issue was the offense in the 2nd half against the Packers and the 2nd half against the Jets.  Our offense was only missing Brown on the OL but it got shut down in the 2nd half in back to back weeks.  Both weeks we were also playing 2 of the best secondaries in the NFL right now, not to mention Jets have a nasty front 7.  

 

The defense won the 2nd half battles in both games and we went 1 - 1 in those 2 games.  This is the first mini slump for the offense under Dorsey, and now we need to see how he adjusts.  We also didn't do ourselves any favors yesterday by dropping passes, Josh having some errant passes, ill timed holding penalties, Bass missing his FG, etc.  

 

I think its premature to hit the panic button.  Our defense is not healthy, so I am less worried about it.  But Dorsey needs to make adjustments to get the rhythm back on offense and start creating ways to get guys open.  Davis is struggling right now, he is dropping too many passes and not getting open enough.  They need to start scheming to get him some rhythm and confidence back as well as start utilizing our other weapons more like Knox, Shakir, and our RB's more to help take pressure off Diggs and Davis too.  

It’s not about the 20 points it’s the long sustained drives and 20 points. The Jets got the ball on their 4 and walked down the field to our 5 passing the ball once. That’s when the game was on the line. Before half and after half was alot of the same thing, our O was sitting on the bench for what seemed like forever. sure guys are out but Leslie and Sean gotta adjust instead of watching the d get manhandled. If these long drives are ending in points, what’s the big worry in giving up chunk plays? Atleast thst gets our O back on the field and helps them find a rhythm. 

[The blueprint is in, Buffalo has been figured out]

8 minutes ago, Big Turk said:

 

There are guys open. The personnel just didn't start sucking

If Allen’s checking down more then usual I’m guessing they ain’t as open as you believe. On top of that Gabes catching under 50% of the balls thrown to him.  McKenzie is not filling Beasleys roll very well either, that’s why he’s not getting the targets. 
It’s the first year the two of them are starters and both are struggling. It’s been overlooked because we were winning.  

[The blueprint is in, Buffalo has been figured out]

3 hours ago, Big Turk said:

There are plenty of easy plays to be made, Allen has reverted to not being patient again.

 

It's like he just can't help himself...he knows what he should be doing...clearly, as the Rams and Titans games showed, but he wants to make a big play so badly he bypasses them for the deeper more risky option.

Or it’s because no one else besides Diggs is making plays and he knows that ain’t enough and forcing *****. He’s been checking down to our RBs more then he ever has. Third down comes you know he’s looking beyond the chains.  We need more guys making plays, that’s what this comes down to. 

[Can we talk about how 2 teams in a row ran it down our throat...]

4 hours ago, 97bills said:

Edmunds has shown over and over he’s no help in stopping the run. 

Edmunds is playing solid football. 
We brought in big guys and beeefed up the dline to stop the run and it has paid off. Now teams are bringing in extra guys to help with the blocking and it’s working. 
 

Blame the coaching staff for sticking with the nickel. We are overmatched and easily overpowered in these situations. 

[This season it really is just Allen and Diggs]

27 minutes ago, 78thealltimegreat said:

Davis 2 catches 23 yards says it does 

Davis has been targeted 12 times the past two games and has 4 catches and I think 4 drops….. Confidence in him gotta be running out if it hasn’t already. 

[4-2-5 Alignment]

Blows my mind we played Zach Wilson  and we more worried about the pass then the run. Jets last drive was textbook of what happens to this D a couple times a year if our O can’t put up points.