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1 minute ago, Green Lightning said:
Boo frickity hoo. Here's the world we live in. It's a quarterback-driven league bottom line. You're going to overpay for the position. Second and third round talent will likely go in the first round this year at the quarterback position. So
youre so late to the party in this thread that ill give u a pass on this brilliant post. u clearly havent read everything.
and of course its a QB driven league....
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my take on this coaching/management staff so far,
they have a plan, started working on it right after McBeane got here.
theyre sticking to it.
accumulating draft picks, most likely to move up and grab their guy at QB
accumulated those draft picks because this was supposed to be the best QB draft in a decade
all of a sudden it doesnt look like the best QB draft in a decade.
somehow we won 9 games, made the playoffs, wasnt expected, now we're stuck with crappy first round pick position, add that to KCs draft pick we acquired.
now things change significantly with the process.
i really dont believe OBD thought they would be in this exact position they find themselves in right now. spend alot for a chance at a QB, or stay pat and build the rest of the team.
tough position to be in. should be fun to watch.
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really we're just a QB away from being a threat in the AFC.
i look at most of our cast offs, and they flourish elsewhere, especially our maligned receivers, competent QB throwing to them, they put up numbers. ex. Woods, Hogan, Sammy, and even Goodwin.
sure we have holes to fill. every team does.
DT is a must, and of course QB.
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17 minutes ago, BadLandsMeanie said:
Wow you just made me realize that I think the Browns may take Barkely at #1. Which I think would be crazy.
But they have to know they need strong running game to have a chance of success with Tyrod at QB. Hmm, Very interesting.
exactly what a majority of browns fans want to happen now. Barkley, trade the 4th pick or take the best QB available
run run run, let Tyrod manage the game.
Sounds familiar. Browns fans are under the impression Tyrod wouldve been alot better if the Bills had talent tho.
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Just now, Hapless Bills Fan said:
Badlands, you raise a great point.
You're right - changing coaches and schemes every 2 years for the last 6 years, despite some good drafts, has had the same effective impact on our team as giving up draft picks.
I hadn't thought of it that way before.
wholeheartedly agree with this, regime change sets teams back faster than missing on picks. gotta give time to people. good working relationships arent made overnight.
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oh ya its fun alright, for some teams its more fun than the regular season (Browns)
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7 minutes ago, NewDayBills said:
I want Baker Mayfield at 10, I think he'll be there, the price won't be too bad at that point.
and that would be fine, my point all along has been about risk aversion. of course we need a QB, and it would be great to get a top prospect, no doubt.
if mayfield fell to 10, sure go for it.
if, and only if, thats who OBD all loved from the start.
dont overreach just to get a guy, cuz the real guy u wanted is gone.
many thing to like about mayfield, his college offensive scheme is not one of them though.
not a fan of the spread offense. dont care about his height, swagger, his tiny bit of off field issues.
he can throw, but can he read the whole field?. thats what ive been looking for in a QB since Kelly walked away.
all the arm talent in the world means nothing if u cant make the right decisions before the ball lets loose.
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5 minutes ago, SouthNYfan said:
So explain when the time is right?
You seem to say now isn't the time, so when is?
Next year's QB class looks to be another "EJ Manuel" type year.
Last year everybody was like "don't take a QB, wait until next year!!"
We traded back, and KC immediately took mahomes, who they shipped out Alex Smith to make room for.
The Texans rolled with Watson.
Watson was on fire before he got hurt, and mahomes looked very good in his one start (unlike Peterman).
So, swami, we should wait until next year again?
u know when its a good time to take a flyer on a top QB that has a less than 50% chance to succeed? its when u dont give up six fricken picks to take that chance. ffs if had to explain that to too u.....like i said read the thread.
u give 2 examples of guys who've done absolutely nothing in this league to this point. and their respective teams gave up little to get them....
its about how much u need to give up to gamble on an unknown commodity. ffs.
we get it, u want a top QB, and nobody elses opinion matters.
must be a wonderful world u live in.
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25 minutes ago, aristocrat said:
They have? He played the hardest position and managed the team to 9 wins last year. Saying he’s not awful doesn’t mean I think he’s great
u seem to forget that many of those 9 wins were despite what our QB did.
it was clearly evident in year 2 of Tyrod that opposing defenses had figured him out.
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6 minutes ago, SouthNYfan said:
I did.
I also clearly read your statement about the gamblers' mentality.
You can't win in the league without taking a risk.
You can't get a good, young QB if you don't draft one, unless you hit the lottery with a free agent (which is basically never).
its risk or no risk right? thats what im getting from your posts. black and white. if only the world were that simple.
this thread was about a particular time for risk, and when its too cost prohibitive. but ya, its now or never.....who cares about the cost
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4 minutes ago, SouthNYfan said:
Never, according to him.
Since it's all a gamble, we shouldn't actually sign any FAs or draft ANY players, just trade our current picks for more future picks, and keep our current roster until everybody retires.
Duh.
you clearly read the whole thread and understood what was written. well done.
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1 minute ago, machine gun kelly said:
I’d much rather get one of these free agents, and draft whoever is. Best at 21. We can then fill in our holes with the rest of the picks. I’d take Keenam, Foles and consider we might not have to give a high pick for him if we give Philly Glenn. Dawkins and can fill in the need at LT, and I think. Groy played very well.
there is always more risk going up for one of the. Top picks but I get we would save money than a free agent. We’re at 33 million in space, and Glenn would be even more loading that contract.
im open to people’s thoughts as I don’t know everything and can see both sides.
this is a logical post, and u will find that many on this board hate logic.
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6 minutes ago, Green Lightning said:
Right so let's sit our hands for another 17 years and hope something falls our way. Sorry I've heard it before. You can draft all the great players you want but if your quarterback sucks you're going to suck. That's just life in the NFL you have to deal with it. This is the year to get a quarterback.
no doubt we need a QB, have needed one since Kelly retired, but to overreact, overreach, overspend, well thats one the biggest problems with most people in this society.
its a gambling mentality disease, and it rarely pays out.
your 17yr drought will turn into what if we miss on picking a QB this upcoming draft?
the thing about common sense, its not all that common.
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14 minutes ago, Boca BIlls said:
Letting rookies sit is a myth. If he can't handle the pressure he never will. The world weights the same this year as it will next year. If anything the pressure will get worse as Tyrod puts up ****ty numbers.
the old time tested black and white of the world. if he cant now he never will...
cept very little in life is black or white. there are different levels of pressure for every player.
and its not even about the pressure, its about making sure u dont put your fresh shiny new QB in a situation that gets his confidence killed, remember David Carr?
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12 minutes ago, Green Lightning said:
Were Wentz and Goff once in a generation QB's or sure things? It's the most important position on the field. You got to roll a dice every now and then. This is our year.
no they were not, but u act as if their greatness is a foregone conclusion already. each of them has had 1 good year. kinda like the Deshaun Watson bandwagon that has formed. Dude played good in 4 games.....
only way it would be "our year" is if we had a legit top 5 pick that didnt cost us the rest of our draft to use. none of these QBs scream next great thing. if youre willing to gamble on one of these guys, with as much draft capital it will take, well, i find that extremely reckless.
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3 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:
This is EXACTLY what I am talking about. It's nonsense.
TT lead a top 7 scoring offense thru 15 games in 2016.......he wasn't holding THAT offense back........and yet that's the misconception from Tyrophobes.
The Bills offense was atrocious in 2017............but it was the WORST wr situation in team history..........yes, even worse than the 2-14 teams.........a misfit scheme and a poor play caller......a run game that stalled the minute the reserve entered the game after two years where Bills reserves lead the NFL in ypc..........these are the things that "held the offense back" in 2017.
Would having an "elite" QB made them better?
Of course, but those guys are SCARCE.
So be furious at McD for not drafting Watson. Watson turned out to be a one man show and was re-writing the record books for rookie QB's and they passed on him.
Or blame the previous regimes for not taking chances on QB's with elite potential.
But no.......Bills following dummies gotta' blame the guy who outplayed his pedigree and his contract for 3 years.
It's just such a bad look for the fanbase.
ffs if our running game didnt get our offense up by 14 points in a game we had no chance of winning it. our fricken QB couldnt THROW!!!! how are u so blind to not see that favors every defense we went up against?
one year it was the defense fault, nother year it was the offensive coordinators fault, next year it was lack of receivers, you know the one constant to our horrible passing game? Tyrod fricken Taylor. smh.
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if we had tanked, and could take any QB with our high first round pick, id go with Rosen. Hes by far the best passing QB in this draft. word is hes probably the most intelligent as well. 2 strengths i would love to have in a QB. But to mortgage the future for him, im not sold.
Scariest thing about Rosen for me is whether he would actually want to play in this city.
hes a bright kid, and when i look at him i see Eli Manning not wanting to play in San Diego.
lot of investment for a kid if thats the case.
Think Mayfield would be a better fit here, but i dont like the offense hes coming from.
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gonna be a rough year for the Brownies. u have a WR who needs his touches, and a QB who hates throwing the ball especially where this new WR loves to catch it. should be fun to watch.
rmbr when Sammy started to get upset with Tyrod for not throwing to him? have fun Cleveland.
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2 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:
He converted PLENTY of 3rd downs, especially considering the talent around him for most of the past two seasons. Hell this year he lead two 18 play drives for fuxake. Probably the two longest drives in team history.
Like I said........too many Bills fans/observers became blind to what he COULD do which is why they are so "shocked" at the return the Bills got for him.
One of the worst developments for Tyrod was the increasingly easy availability of "All-22" tape which allowed a lot of dummies that normally just watch whoever has the football to take time and notice that......"gee, WR's aren't actually covered all the time"..........which lead to a lot of Bills fans, and WGR "faux" analysts who don't follow the league jumping to the VERY WRONG conclusion that TT was the only QB in the NFL who doesn't throw the ball to open WR's.
After that he could do no right. Scramble for 15 yards on 3rd and 14?........welp that must be because he missed a wide open WR.
Tyrod getting traded for a 3rd round pick.......with other teams also offering up picks......... when everyone knew they had no intention of keeping him is not a validation of the idea that he is a bad QB. Sorry........it's just another "L" for Tyrophobes.
starting to question if u watched the Bills for the last 3 years.
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12 minutes ago, Seanbillsfan2206 said:
They say “I want better”. Like who? Aaron Rodgers isn’t available. Neither is Tom Brady. Watching foles in the Super Bowl sold me. He was making all the throws. Biggest game of his life and he absolutely rises to the occasion. Even the nfc championship game against Minnesota. Best D in the league. Foles lit them up. I don’t see how anyone could be mad if we got him
there are some on this board that would love to mortgage the entire draft on a QB that they know nothing about. cuz its fresh new and shiny. willing to gamble away their future for a sub 50% chance at the next great NFL QB.
and there are others that logically look at the situation.
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Just now, Zebrastripes said:
.idk if Landry will even see 60 catches this year. He will be their number two receiver at best and more than like Tyrods 3rd option since Landry runs mostly over the middle as a slot reciever.
we all know how much Tyrod loves the middle of the field
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1 minute ago, Real McCoy said:
People don't understand playing to Foles strengths and that he is 29 years old which is basically a QB's prime where the timing and speed really are nailed down. Sign me up for Foles paired with Jackson or Rudolph all day.
It's amazing how some fans think we are too good for a SB bowl MVP that just went toe to toe with GOAT and came out on top. Amazes me every time I read it honestly.
too much logic in your post, you may make this forum explode.
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Just now, Rochesterfan said:
Not a chance - 200 receptions by Landry would require nearly 350 passes from TT just to that 1 player.
Landry will be fuming at his 60 catches for 250 yards as the top WR - he is not soft spoken like the guys here - he wants his targets.
Depending on how long they start him - I think with Hue on his way out and an OC that is notorious for getting into it with his QB if he is not doing what the OC wants - it is going to be a long and painful year in Cleveland for TT.
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3 minutes ago, gadzod said:
So, you want to put the future of the team in the hands of a guy that's 29 years old and contemplated retiring because of how bad he was performing on the field up until these last 6 games? No thanks. I'll take my chances on a kid that is 8 years younger.
lol he wasnt contemplating his retirement because of his play......cmon
Sal C’s “Dear Browns fans....” about Tyrod Taylor
in The Stadium Wall Archives
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hey, least he gets to be the QB for a bit.
in reality i find it tough to think of many places that Tyrod would be coveted as a teams starter, other than Cleveland.