Mat68
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Rosen and Jackson. I think similar to Matt Ryan his size and durabliity will be questioned.
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My best guess is 12,22,56,65 2019 1st rd pick. Maybe flip our 5th rder for their 4th. Imo 3 1s will be the price and thats an offer NYG cant say no to that. Its hefty and substantial. Beane is going to take his time deciding is there qb at 2 better than 1 at 4 or 6 plus considering the price moving to 2, 4, 6 plus. With the blantant disregard for the FA class they need to make splash and go get a Qb.
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Either Buffalo released this info so if/when they dont make a trade to 2 they can say offers were made and you need a partner to trade. The other one is NYG are trying to encourage others to make offers to push up the price.
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No to move about the same distance buffalo trade a tackle with feet problems.
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If the Giants dont take that offer or counter something realistic they are taking a Qb.
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1 hour ago, BillsEnthusiast said:
It sure sounds like we are getting depth in anticipation of a trade up (I repeat to myself over and over and over)
These are the kind of signings Buffalo has made since Whaley became GM. This is nothing new or strange. They are not going to make any splash FA signing. They are going to fill as many holes before the draft like they do every year and how every good team operates. Beane takes a morning poo at 730 instead of 6 is a sign of a trade up now.
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The imminent trade up because they signed 2 vetran lineman is a bit ridiculous. They traded a tackle and the starting center retired. Were they suppose to field a team of rookies?
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So imngoing with they did. If you havrnt who cares if thats out there.
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I dont think he is that good. If im Buffalo im leaving the draft with a Qb. Im taking 1 in the first. I have the picks to pay premium price. Where are the qbs likley drafted? 1,3,and 5 i would assume are Qbs. Who is my top qb. If he does not go 1 I can move to 2. Probably 12,22, 56, 65 and 2019 1st. Is 4 available? What is that price? Would you risk your #1 going in division?
Who is my second Qb. How much less in the evaluation process is he from 1? Where does he go? 1,3,5 qbs. Is my number 2 making it through? Possible? Likley? Ok the third guy how big of a gap from him to 1? Whats the odds my 3 top qbs go 1,3,5?
This year is unique. There are 5 guys not rated as first round talents. All very different in styles. I could see stark contrasts to different evaluators rankings in the league. The cost of moving up significantly goes down after denver. I think Buffalo can move up and retain 22. Two qbs will be there? It will take brass cajones to make that call but the cost will be much less. Is it darnold rosen mayfield? Allen and Jackon are still avaible. You see where im going. A number of combinations can play out. I think Buffalo plays it like FA. Dont pay an arm and a leg. Moves up gets the 3rd or 4th qb off the board and only gives up 56 and next year 3rd to do it.
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12 is perfect. Maybe the Jets moved up for Rudolph?
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1 hour ago, Mr_Robotulism said:
His height is irrelevant to me, OU had 6'7" linemen and he didn't get many balls batted down
The majority of his throws he had massive passing windows. Second half vs GA. They control rushef him and contained him in the pocket and it was a struggle. Thats what concerns me. I dont hate mayfield but i dont love him to trade top 5 for. 8 or 9? Sure. Keep 22 and get a QB is my new train of thought.
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I see it a little differant. Similar premise. The move to 12 was to put them in position to get their second choice at qb. Depending on the price the ability to get their number 1 choice. Imo Buffalo has is Rosen 1 Jackson 2. Beane is going to take the next month determining is Rosen 3 firsts and 2 thirds better than Jackson. After watching the past year Im going to go with the conclusion Rosen is not. Buffalo gets Jackson and then makes a move to Mcd his linebaker.
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3 minutes ago, McBean said:
I’d rather have Nate Peterman under center than Lamar Jackson and Josh Allen.
I do not. I would be happy either. They are the most talented Qbs in the draft.
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4 minutes ago, BeefCurtns said:
I negotiate contracts everyday for work. The small amount of leverage Beane had prior to The Jets jumping up to 3 was the unknown. Now if we inquire about the 2 with NY they will ask for the house the car and the @#$&ing crock pot. We're F'ed.
I think Gettleman has been asking for that all along. No problem with Beane doing his dilegance and finding out if the guy they like is worth it. There are multiple qbs as well. How do they rate Jackson to there number 1 guy? If its close take him and keep 100% of their picks.
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This is becoming a strong possibility. I Could see Buffalo taking Jackson at 12 trading up from 22 for one of linebakers. This may be a better option then trading 6 picks for rosen.
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Im assuming NYG want 3 1s plus. Its a steep price and if the guy is a franchise qb you do it. If they are that high on a guy they have doubts he will be there. Im not going to right off the new regime until the picks are in and see who they got. If they get any of the top 5 I will be happy. If they get one of them and keep 22 I would be impressed.
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2004 rivals it. This year looks to me like 2004. There are 5 prospects with completely differant skill sets, make up, and personalities. Depending how Buffalo has their 5 ranked they may not need to trade to 2. I think Mayfiled, Jackson, or Allen can be had around where the Bills pick at. Depending on the situation any of them could become success or bust.
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9 hours ago, RalphWilson'sNewWar said:
Probably GM speak...but not a good look to say this, "I’ve met them all, but some of them for 15 minutes and that’s not enough to even draft a guy at 12. I don’t know what we’re doing, we have six weeks to the draft, and over that time I’m going to try to get to know every player, not only the quarterbacks, of who we’re going to consider.” and then the next day your contemporary for a rival team makes a deal. What? Do the Bills GM and Scouts not work as fast or are able to figure things out as quickly as the Jets? Why not? Obviously I don't believe that to be the case, but you shouldn't say you haven't had enough time and then get one upped. It makes you look slow at your job.
The differance imo Buffalo knows the cost for 2. They are narrowing down if they like 1 qb enough to do it. What if that qb goes 1? Who is their second choice? Where do you expect him to go? Do you need to go to 2? Could he slide? Imo the jets made a PR move. They gave up alot picks for any of three qbs. One could have been their at 6. Im not going to say Buffalo should give half there picks unless they are sure hes the guy. The Jets made an ultra aggressive move to for who? They dont know wont know until the first 2 picks are made.
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20 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said:
Of course the Colts made a mistake because they didn't trade the #3 pick to us because Frank Reich used to play for the Bills. It should have been a relationship thing.
See your looking at it wrong. No matter who the Jets pick will bust so it really is in our favor.
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As much as 21 to 12 improved their stock to move into the top of the draft I also think it improved their position to get their #2 rated Qb. They can now slide into the top 10 ensure of getting the next best guy and still have 22. As the draft gets closer I think that could be a real possibility. Some around here may be disappointed they dont get to 1 or 2, but a slight move up for a Qb later in the top 10 and get a linebacker at 22 may be the reality.
46 minutes ago, youthemanog said:Lamar is Tyron 2.0. No thank you we need a pocket passer not a half back that thinks they are a qb
I disagree.
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1 minute ago, Dr. Who said:
If they like Jackson, they should be able to get him and retain 22. You get the qb and probably a lb in round one. Not my first choice, but I'd sure like to find a way to get R. Smith.
I think that is a legitimate option. Vander Esh or Raquan Smith at 22 you get your Qb and Mike in round 1 color me impressed.
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Until we see how the draft falls there is no way in knowing if the Jets trade had any barring on us what so ever. We do not know how Buffalo has the Qbs ranked. Until the picks are turned in and the all the Qbs are selected there is no way to determine how the Jets effected the draft for Buffalo.
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If Buffalo has the qbs 1Darnold 2 Jackson 3 Allen 4 Mayfield 5 Rosen. Do they need to trade up if Darnold goes 1? If they like Jackson they really only need to move up to 9 to ensure they get him. What I am saying it is impossible to know how they rank these QBs. Also, without seeing who goes 1 no reason to trade up now unless it is for 1. I cant see Cleveland doing that. The rumors where Jackson was Buffalos # 2. When Beane said there was no way player x would get past 15 so why are we talking about him that could be a bit of a slip. I still got faith in Beane and Mcd. As I said a before FA started as long as Buffalo leaves the draft with 1 of the 5 top Qbs I would be happy with whatever guy they pick. If their #1 QB is there at 2 I could see Buffalo trading up. If their #2 Qb is there around 7-10 I think they will move up to get them.
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If they stay at 12 I can see them taking Jackson.
Would you be satisfied if the draft looked like this?
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Jackson wont make it to 22. If they want a qb they will need to trade. Who they want will determine where. 2,4,or somewhere in 6 to 9. If Buffalo waits for 1 to fall to them a team will Jump b/c everyone knows they are Qb desperate.