Shaw66
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This guy covering Carolina estimated it would take 4 years $40 million. https://www.catscratchreader.com/2018/3/5/17075718/is-nfl-carolina-panthers-defensive-tackle-star-lotulelei-worth-4-years-40-million
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7 minutes ago, Dr. Who said:
Seems to me highly unlikely they are making these trades for a lb. They are going after qb. There is a rumor that Smith was medically red-flagged at the combine and could fall. You might be able to get him at 22.
I agree. So maybe the plan is to use next year's first to package with the 12th to move up for a qb, then get the MLB at 22. Then get a guard center in the second round. And maybe a tackle.
Whatever. It's amazing to see the team being reshaped like this.
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11 minutes ago, NewDayBills said:
We need stuffers, even if he just eats blocks routinely at 8-9 million a year, that's basically what Marcell Dareus did at 18-19 million a year.
I think this correct. I saw something that said he was looking for four years at $40 million, so your 8-9 is a little low but in the ball park.
By the way, buying these guys after a down year is smart. It keeps the price down a bit.
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16 minutes ago, Mojo44 said:
I actually believe this is quite possible. They might even look at the linebacker from Virginia Tech at number 12.
All last season I said McD would be going after his next Keuchle, so it wouldn't surprise me if this is what they're doing.
But if they moved up to 13 to take Smith or the VT linebacker, what do they do at qb? Is Cousins still in play?.
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I like this a lot.
I don't know NFL talent, and I'm unfamiliar with Star.
So why do I like him? McBeane like him. They know him and like him. He played for McD and his play was excellent. His stats dropped off last season, which was the one season he didn't play for McD.
He must like McD to have decided to come to Buffalo.
He's first round talent, and there's no substitute for talent.
Linemen tend to last a long time, so he could be a fixture for five years or more.
This may help bring Kyle back. It means Kyle doesn't have to carry the inside. Star seems to be more of a space eater, which frees up Kyle to do what he does best - slash. I think Kyle retires or returns to Buffalo, and this will help him decide to return.
This also means Cousins is out. Bills are spending the cap elsewhere. Looks like Bradford and a rookie.
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Anything's possible. Beane's got a vision and he ain't afraid to go for it.
Of course, as Badlands pointed out an hour ago, maybe Beane is a total lunatic off his medication.
Who knows what's next?
Wednesday is going to be very interesting.
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4 minutes ago, freddyjj said:
Shaw66, wow that's a different take, never occurred to me.
My take is they are moving up the board in 2 steps to get their QB ala the eagles in 2016 when they snagged Wentz. My take on FA QB is a McCown, Moore, Henne signing to be the sage to the youngster. Rosen or Mayfield are likely to play early on in 2018.
I agree with you. I was just spitballing.
I don't think you make this move unless there's someone you really want, and if there's someone you really want you can't sit at 12 and hope he's falling to you. I think the Bills will be moving again, but the next move might not be until sometime within 48 hours of the draft.
Beane is fearless. And I assume McDermott is on board with him. It's amazing to watch.
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2 minutes ago, Mat68 said:
The moves have been 2 fold. They added picks but also cleared a ton of cap space. Right now Buffalo can go whichever way they prefer. If Cousins is their guy they now have the cap space to do what it would take. They would also have a tremendous amount of picks to improve the overall roster. Similar to what Philly did they can now get all the way to 1,2, or 3 for the QB they want.
Yeah, but if you were going after Cousins, you'd rather have more picks, not fewer. If they thought they'd get Cousins, why not give Cordy to Cincy for their second and then have SIX picks in the top 65?
I think this signals that they have a QB in the draft that they really want.
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4 minutes ago, billieve420 said:
How hilarious would that be if the Bills don't draft a QB in the top# 5 after all this and take Lamar Jackson at #22. Would this board burn down?
Let's wait two days and see if the Bills sign Keenum. If they do, they probably aren't using #12 on a QB. They might even trade back out of 12 for a later first and a second.
Watching Bean these past few weeks, I'm not going to be surprised at anything.
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2 minutes ago, LABillzFan said:
It's difficult for me to watch the front office make all these incredible moves, and then somehow think it culminates with signing Kirk Cousins.
I don't think you trade up if you're going to sign Cousins. If you're getting Cousins, you want to add a lot of talent, not one guy at pick number 12. I'd rather have the 21 and 22 and get two good players.
I think this trade means the Bills sign a journeyman, bridge QB, because this looks like they're going after their QB of the future in the draft.
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1 minute ago, BadLandsMeanie said:
Holy smokes!
Wouldn't it be funny if it turned out that Beane and McDermott are actually just crazy?
And they just keep trading and trading people because they can't stop?
I mean like funny, after a long time looking back on it kind of funny.
Anyway I hope they are right about Dawkins. We don't have Tyrod the Escape Artist at QB any more.
That's great! In the next two days there are four more trades. Shady and Hughes and Benjamin and White are all gone, and the Bills have twelve picks in the first round. The Pegulas have Beane carted off in a straight-jacket!
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1 minute ago, BrotherChazz said:
Why? Dawkins is stability at LT. Glenn only played in 5 games.
I know, but from RIchie's perspective, Dawkins is just a kid. And there'll be a kid on the other side.
I'm not complaining. I assume they got decent value for him, and I think the move means they were happy with Dawkins.
Plus, I love the assertiveness. These guys have a plan and they are goin after it.
When Whaley inked someone, maybe Hughes, he said he was happy because the Bills had their six key players. He said you can afford to pay six guys big salaries, and the Bills had their six. Well, Gilmore, Dareus, Taylor and Watkins are GONE. So much for his key players.
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WOW! I didn't think that would happen. I''ve never been a huge Glenn fan, but still, I would have thought the Bills would have wanted some stability. Richie is going to feel lonely over there on the left side.
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1 minute ago, Luxy312 said:
I agree with you 100%. Part of me wonders as well whether the coaching staff isn't gun shy about Peterman and would just say that he and whomever they get in the draft (early or late) will play to be the starter. This team is super thin at so many different positions that it just seems to feel more right to build it through youth and the draft. They're otherwise picking off the scrap heap in free agency. It worked a little the last few years with Lorax, Gaines, Poyer. None the less, you can't build a contender that way.
Not fair to call it the scrap heap, but you're exactly right. Take the free agents with talent whose careers have gone a little sideways. That really works.
AND, if one of the good QB prospects falls to 21, take him. I've stopped paying attention, but I think there are five - Rosen, Darnold, Mayfield, Jackson and Allen, maybe Rudolph. Chances are pretty good one or two of them is still on the board.
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1 minute ago, Luxy312 said:
This in a nutshell. To boot, he's done the exact opposite. I think he keeps his 5 picks in the first 65 and tries to hit a home run by drafting 4-5 guys that could be week 1 starters. I wouldn't be upset if he packaged picks to move up, but would really want to understand why. When there's no consensus top QB's in the draft (and make no mistake that there are not), you don't sell the farm to take one. Not prudent.
I think he MIGHT package picks to move up into the 10-15 range to get a QB (or even a position player) that he really wants and is afraid won't fall to 21. He could do that without mortgaging the entire draft. But I think it's more likely he'll do what you say - just sit tight and use those picks.
I'd love to come out of the draft with two starting offensive linemen and three starting front seven defenders. They may not all start on day one, but my mid-season they could be. That's a huge upgrade. Add to that an effective thrower like Keenum and the team has the talent to make some noise. Shady and Ivory, Benjamin, Jones and Thompson, a good offensive line. A better pass rush. That's a team.
Sure seems like the way to go.
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13 minutes ago, xRUSHx said:
He could easily flip the script this year and go all in on getting one of the top QBs and then next season's draft go back to it, besides even with trading those picks he would still have a somewhat normal draft. IMO it's a no brainer to get to the top of the draft if MCD wants to build this team the right way, around a top QB first.
That's true. He could. And I expect he will if there's a QB he's absolutely in love with. But I don't think that QB is out there.
I think he gets much more bang for his buck signing Keenum for $20 million a year for three years, or something like that, and then drafting a QB as soon as he sees one he like, probably at 21 or 22 or in the second round, and use all the other picks to take position players. If Keenum shows that 2017 wasn't a fluke, then the Bills have a quality starter for several years and his successor on board. If Keenum isn't so good, he still has a decent team around him, so the Bills do okay, and the successor starts in 2019 after a year of seasoning.
If he trades a bunch of picks and gets the wrong guy, he's screwed. He doesn't have a QB, and he doesn't have the talent on the team to support a weak QB. I think it's a much riskier move to trade up, and that's why I think he'll only do it if he's in love with someone.
The presumptive starter will be under contract by this Friday.
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20 minutes ago, elltrain22 said:
QB Position:
- Clearly, they're going BIG game hunting. They want a terrific young Franchise QB (as evidence with all the draft capital), that can not just win games, but win championships!!
- They also want a valued backup (Phily being the copycat in a copycat league). Sure you'll here names like Bradford, Keenum, but someone like McCown or Matt Moore are probably the guys that will backup. Bradford probably wants to start, same with Keenum, but the main thing here is which QB takes the least amount of money, which means probably Moore or McCown.
How do they get into the top 5??:
- 1 of 2 ways. If Cleveland takes Barkely @1, (which I predict they will) then the Giants, IMHO, will give serious consideration to Buff trade. Deal is NY Giants get: 21, 22, 53, 2019 3rd, & Cordy Glenn OR.... Indy gets: 21, 22, 53, 65, 2019 2nd
Draft??
- The way we look at it, we give up ALOT, but it's still a normal draft. We have picks in the 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th, and 5th round. We may loose a future 2, 3, or maybe even a 1, but with the trade of Glenn we will have alot of cap room in 2019 to fill in those holes/picks. Not to mention we'll obtain at least 2, possibly more comp picks for guys like Gaines, P.Brown, if they walk.
Free Agency:
- No big names, but they'll try WR, but IMO, the market is way too high, which is why I think they'll target DJ Moore, or Anthony Miller in the 2nd round. Probably fill Preston Brown role with a guy like Avery Williamson. I think they'll also try to find a FA off lineman.
Maybe that's how you'd do it, but I doubt that's what the Bills will do.
Beane has been very clear - you get more talent with picks than you do in free agency. So I don't see him following a course where he trades lots of picks so he can end up with lots of cap room to get free agents. That's exactly backward from what he's said all along. I think he signs a QB who will be a starter in September, he keeps his picks and drafts a lot of talent, including a QB.
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35 minutes ago, Logic said:
If the Bills sign Matt Moore, it means they are DEFINITELY trading up in the draft for a "big four" QB.
There's no way that with a QB depth chart of Matt Moore and Nate Peterman, you're content sitting around until 21 and hoping you land a guy.
If Moore signs, it's a trade-up. Period.I agree.
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11 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:
Brees? Hahahahahaha no.
Cousins, it wouldn't surprise me if the Bills make a play for him, but from the Cousins POV I would expect him to turn them down.
Keenum or Foles (not FA), maybe
Bradford or Bridgewater, Please No. Please No.
TBH, I don't have a clue what McBeane will do. I didn't think they'd trade Dareus mid-season, and I didn't think they'd trade TT until they had someone else on the roster.
Even Bradford or Bridgewater. The Bills will go to camp with a veteran QB as the presumptive starter, someone who has had SOME measure of success. Bradford and Bridgewater have their problems, for sure, but they've had actual success.
In my mind, they won't get Cousins and Keenum has to be the guy they're targeting. He's spent five years in the league, kicking around, learning the game. Then last season he started 14 games and showed he can play well consistently. Had some rough outings, but everyone has those. Keenum is the kind of guy who will at least be fine for the next couple of years while the Bills find the right youngster to grow into the job, and Keenum might also grow up into a quality starter who gives you a 95+ passer rating every season, in which case you have your starter. He's as good as Tyrod, for sure, and has better upside. Decent size, savvy.
Spotrac estimates his annual salary value around $21 million on a four-year deal. I'd guess that's about right, and I'd guess you'd have to guarantee two years of that. Not an unreasonable price to know you're starting 2018 with a decent starter.
3 minutes ago, BadLandsMeanie said:5 bucks says they will
Done.
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2 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:
When the option is "sign a big FA QB" vs trade up for a top guy in the draft, it's actually not inconsistent with what Beane has said - if you keep more of your draft picks because you signed 1 FA vs trading picks for a QB, you can build more of the team through the draft.
I will be stunned if the Bills do anything other than what you describe.
If they're in the Cousins sweepstakes and get him then they might even postpone taking a QB. If they don't get Cousins, they'll get one of the other vets, Keenum probably being the next best choice. Then the Bills will use one of their picks on a rookie QB, maybe even trade up 10 spots or so if someone they really like is there.
Although as you and others have pointed out, Beane's said a lot of things at different times, one thing he's consistent on - he plans to build through the draft. He's said that's the best way to build because that's the cheapest talent out there. They clearly believed that they can coach young players and make them useful in their first and second years in the league - Milano being one example. He's already shown he'll spend a few million here or there to plug holes, which he's done with three free agents already, but he wants to build through the draft. That also tells me that if the right QB is there in free agency, he'll be willing to write a big check, because he MUST get a good QB and he doesn't need cap room to plug holes because he intends to do that in the draft.
The reason people are interested in the Pegula plane is because it's nearly certain that there is some big QB news coming in the next couple of days. We will know the presumptive starter by the end of the week. Only way that guy will not be the starter will be if (1) he gets injured or (2) some rookie really impresses through pre-season, like Wentz did.
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26 minutes ago, Ittakestime said:
People are going to be severely disappointed if they think the Bills will be signing big name FA.
I think the people who will be disappointed will be the people who think the Bills will trade into the top 5. I don't see that happening.
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10 minutes ago, Ittakestime said:
Bills already said they won't be in on big free agents and you don't jet mid-tier guys in.
When did they say that?
Everything I've heard from Beans has been so vague as to .mean nothing.
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2 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said:
I know. I dont expect it. BUT ...
Everyone has been strangely silent about Cousins. The only report was more than a week ago from Schefter saying that his sources told him that four teams have talked to the league about contracts for Cousins. Thats hardly conclusive evidence of anything. The Bills could have talked to the league since then.
There's been nothing from Cousins camp.
I have occasional contact with one Bills insider, and he's been totally silent. Not a hint about what the Bills might be doing.
So as far as I'm concerned, there's no reason to believe the Bills are out of the Cousins game.
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2 minutes ago, wppete said:
Where does Cousins live?
Glad I found someone else who thinks Cousins may still be in play.
Yes player visits dont start until Weds but talks agents start today. There's a good chance all the details will be in place by Wednesday for several of the free agent and to sign. I sou t the Bills will send the plane to pick up an agent.
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I think you have to draft linebackers. You get an occasional Lomax but generally your stars come out of the draft.
Having said that, I like the idea of bringing Bradham back.