Shaw66
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I think realistic is AFC championship game.
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Mcfadden's on 2nd avenue in New York City is where you go to watch the Bills. If it's anything like it used to be, you'd better get there early. The place absolutely rocks.
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Well, I certainly will chime in. This place is great.
Well, it's pretty dull right now in this dead period. These doldrums seem to get worse every year.
But I'll echo what others have said. I come here daily, because if there's any Bills news, I know it will be here. I come here daily to see what people are talking about, and sometimes to join in. I come here daily to find funny little nuggets that people post here. It is the place for all things Bills.
BBMB was better in only one respect, which was volume of posts. They had more active members, so the discussions often were livelier, and new threads showed up more often. However, they had more posters because the Bills wouldn't let the moderators ban the bad actors and control the board in other ways, and that meant there were more rogue posters who messed up threads, started arguments, etc. Here, everyone knows that if you don't behave you're gone, and therefore everyone behaves.
The knowledge and the memory of the posters here is fabulous. I must have seen but have no recollection of that drive against the Dolphins with Kelly diving into the end zone as time expired. How great was that?
So, thanks to SDS and to all those who keep this place running. I love it.
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3 minutes ago, Never NEVER Give-up said:
I like to imagine if Moulds had Josh . . . .
I like to imagine if I had Josh.
I also like to imagine if I had Hailee.
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Wow.
My player is Roger Kochman. Sensational rookie running back in 1963, until he absolutely tore up his knee.
I couldn't remember if I'd posted about Kochman in this thread, so I searched for him. I haven't. Search yourself, and look at all the threads that 's Kochman's been mentioned in. Threads about obscure players, threads about really ugly injuries, threads about one-year wonders, all kinds of threads where Kochman turns up.
I remember him because I met him a few months after his injury. He was dating the sister of a friend of mine, and I was visiting my friend while Kochman was hanging with his girlfriend. His knee was all wrapped in gauze. He kept it elevated. He said if he kept his foot on the floor, after a while his knee would start bleeding!
In those days, if you had major knee surgery, your career almost certainly was over. Kochman already knew he was done.
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Great stuff in here about Stevie and Fitz.
I found Stevie maddening. Too inconsistent. But that's probably unfair; as someone said, three 1000-yard seasons on those teams is a nice accomplishment.
He was amazing coming off the line. One of his great moves caused one of the great disastrous plays in Bills history: The Chiefs 100-yard pick six thrown by Jeff Tuel. The play was a quick slant to the receiver flanked right. Whoever the receiver was got a good inside release and had the defender on his back. Tuel read it and threw.
However, Stevie was in the slot. His route was to take a jab step right and then go left to the back of the end zone, dragging the defender with him. Stevie put this monster fake on his man, and the defender backpedaled so hard that he fell down when Stevie cut left. The defender got up just as Tuel released the ball and was right in the line of the throw for an easy interception. Instead of leading 17-3 in the third quarter, the Bills were tied at 10.
People blamed Tuel, but it wasn't his fault. His read was the inside release of the intended receiver. If he saw it, he was supposed to throw. See it, throw it. That's what he did. Stevie wasn't supposed to leave his defender in the slot, but you couldn't call it Stevie's fault. He just ran the route the way he ran all his routes, with great separation off the line. It just happened that this time the move was so good, his man fell down. Faked him out of his shoes, so to speak.
Stevie was wide open in the back of the end zone by the time his man got up, but Tuel never looked at him. Tuel wasn't supposed to look at him if his primary receiver was open, which he was.
Unhappy outcome all around.
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The other thing that nobody has mentioned in this thread is that there is a lot of preparation during the week for the more spontaneous playmaking that spins off these systems. I think particularly the system the Bills run. When you have a guy like Allen or Mahomes who is talented and who has played in the same system for multiple years, during the week the coaches are talking to him and he's talking to the coaches about opportunities they see on the field. When the defense is doing one thing or another they will agree that the quarterback has the option to modify what's going on the field to take advantage of opportunities.
The run pass option is the formal embodiment of that kind of play, where the quarterback more or less on his own simply chooses to take a different opportunity in the play, even though the running back and the entire offensive line is executing something different. Something different. Occasionally after games, the more experienced quarterbacks, including Manning and Brady, will talk about the fact that a play that worked during the game was actually a wrinkle that they had talked about during the week of practice, a wrinkle that the quarterback was free to take advantage of without anyone having actually called for that play.
I remember having heard a a Patriots linebacker describe one important play that the defense made in a significant game during their run. It was something like a third and seven and they needed a stop. This guy and one other defender, after the defensive play was called, acknowledged that the better way to run the play would be to switch assignments. They did it, and they got the stop. The interviewer said to the guy, "I bet Belichick was pissed off about that." The guy responded, "Not at all, that's the kind of thing that Belichick expects players to be able to do."
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8 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:
I'm talking about tre lance was compared to Josh Allen and he had a lot of expectations
Geno Smith was a second round pick who played a lot his first two years not great.. and then did bust his ass on the bench for 6 years till he got his next chance
He also was known as a terrific thrower of the football coming out of college he just had a long learning curve
Ah, got it. I recall divided opinion about Lance, not exactly like Allen, but similar boom-or-bust potential. That's what you're saying.
My feeling is that a guy like Lance might hold on in the same way Tyrod has held on. Keep working and playing, getting buy on some special talent, and then see how far he develops. Tyrod was similar to Smith in that way, but didn't go as far as Smith. I think a Smith-like late career blossoming is possible with Lance.
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Excellent. Thanks.
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1 hour ago, Buffalo716 said:
The lights were too bright and the expectations were too high.. they were calling him a Josh Allen type
I don't know if that's true. Bills passed on him to take EJ, and Smith fell to #39 in the draft. I don't recall many people thinking he was a monster. Maybe Jets fans, because they can talk themselves into almost anything, but most Bills fans were lukewarm at best about Manuel and glad the Bills didn't take Smith. .
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12 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:
Trey Lance?
Probably not a bust yet. I could see him as Geno Smith-type who hangs around until he finds the right situation.
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2 hours ago, ShakAttack said:
I remember this very well. Exactly as you described it too. Apparently a lot of other fans remember the same thing. A lot of my memories from regular season games that long ago are pretty vague and yet we all remember the “CJ Mosley game”. Probably helped that it was the season opener.I remember, too. Every Jets game, the first thing I wanted to know was, "Is Mosley playing?"
Sports can be so cruel to individuals. When he was healthy, Mosley looked like a truly special player. Couldn't stay healthy.
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1 hour ago, BullBuchanan said:
Moss went on to perform well with Indy.
I wouldn't call him a legit starter.
I think if we could talk frankly, Beane would say they were satisfied with what they got in Motor and disappointed that they didn't get more from Moss.
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38 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:
I think they hoped for legit starters. And got that with neither.
Singletary was a legit starter. 25th, 25th, 16th, 26th in the league in rushing on a team (1) with mediocre run blocking, (2) where the QB was gaining 600+ yards a year on the ground and (3) that featured the pass once they got Diggs. The Bills may have hoped for more, but he gave what they expected to get.
Moss, they missed on.
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3 hours ago, GunnerBill said:
Ah I didn't say they should be fired for the picks. Don't misquote me. I thought both were overdrafted by a round or so but they were not fireable picks.
I said if they knew they were going to get what they got from those two guys and still spent day 2 picks on them they should be fired. Because running backs who can put up between 600 and 800 yards are not a commodity you want to be spending day two picks on.
And as I said, I think they knew exactly what they were getting. They got two guys who are still in the NFL and who have produced more yards than most of the running backs drafted in their draft class. They got what they expected and I don't think it was any place close to a fireable offense.
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2 hours ago, GunnerBill said:
I didn't want any of the guys around or after Moss in that class. That is my point. Singletary is better than those other guys but not in a decisive way. He has had three starting jobs in the NFL now and lost three starting jobs. Sure Harris is out of the league (because of health reasons) and Justice Hill is more of a 3rd down back than a start but the value above replacement of Singletary against those guys is not high. If you are spending a 3rd round pick on such a low value position I would want better.... and even your own link shows there are better guys in the last decade that have been picked in the 3rd, 4th and 5th rounds.
"I would want better" doesn't sound like the same thing as "a fireable offence."
Could they have done better than Motor and Moss? Sure. Much better? Probably not. Not fireable better.
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24 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:
Nah at running back their talent evaluation has just sucked aside from Cook. It is not philosophy it is bad talent evaluation. Singletary was never a third round talent. I said it at the time. Moss the same. Davis I had as a 5th they took late 4th I can kind of see the value at least but his ceiling is still a rotational #2.
I don't agree. They knew what they were getting with those guys. It's not about whether somebody was drafted 15 or 20 picks too high in the 3rd or 4th round. It's about weather they value the guys who go in the first round, and I think it's pretty clear that they don't.
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5 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:
Yea Cook is a good back. He isn't an elite back but he is a darn good one. I don't think any of the other backs Beane has drafted - and I include Davis in this - are starter level NFL talents. He has spent too many resources on change of pace type guys.
That's an interesting point. I think it's probably in part attributable to McDermott's philosophy that I keep talking about. They draft or sign a lot of all-purpose guys at every position. Rousseau and Epenesa. Their wide receivers. If there are ten criteria for a position - like say for a running back, it's speed, quickness, change of direction, pass pro, route running, hands, and name a few more, the Bills want guys who score very good in all categories instead of guys who are great in three categories and average in the others. That's what they want.
At some point, I think that philosophy works against them. They find themselves having to sign a Miller or a Bosa, hoping they can get some splash plays that their all-purpose guys don't give them. That's not a philosophy that gets you a standout skill position player, because with only a few exceptions, the standout skill position plays stand out in college and get drafted before the Bills pick.
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3 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:
It probably is yes. I agree. But not by Devin freaking Singletary. He is a backup who spent 3 years here masquerading as a starter.
I guess I agree with you about Singletary, but the mere fact that people good disagree about Devin freaking Singletary shows why it's foolish to overpay for a running back. Singletary may be close and misses the cut, but there are a lot of running backs who are better than Singletary. To use a phrase that got me in trouble when talking about receivers, good (not Hall-of-Fame good but good) running backs are a dime a dozen, not $180 million (which is a dozen running backs at $15 million apiece.)
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5 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:
I watched it. No it isn't.
I'm glad you guys are having fun talking about who could make that play, but that really isn't the question. The question is whether the totality of what Cook contributes could be obtained in free agency for less than Cook wants. I think the answer to that is probably yes.
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This isa great question, and as someone just said, it depends on age.
If you're 30, you might actually come up with a number that would leave you set for life, something that would give you financial security. On the other hand, you'd be condemning yourself to a lifetime of no Super Bowls. And actually, that number could be lower than you think, because you'd have a betting advantage in Las Vegas, knowing in advance that the Bills wouldn't win it all. You'd be 1/32 better off than all other bettors.
If you're old like me and have enough money to live on for the rest of your life (well, I hope so), then the money becomes less and less important, eventually completely unimportant. I suppose I might take $20 million or more, so I could set up my kids for life, but they're doing fine right now and probably will be okay even if they don't inherit a bundle from me.
Maybe if the deal is I get $10 billion, I'd take it. Then I'd buy the Bills from the Pegulas, change their name to the Buffalo Bylls and go win some Super Bowls. After all, the deal was the Bills wouldn't win, not the Bylls.
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5 hours ago, 3rdand12 said:
As Shaw mentions Dorian is still not there based upon last years gameplay.
Actually, it was Gunner.
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RIP
Another great one from the first great Bills era. A two-time champion.
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3 hours ago, GunnerBill said:
Yea. Dorian wouldn't see it if you ran it 5 times straight. If he can play run and hit football he is a playmaker. If you make him think after the snap he is screwed.
This is make or break year. Pretty much like Elam.
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Optimistic vs Realistic Expectations
in The Stadium Wall
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Why is that optimistic? Two teams make the AFC championship game, and the Bills are almost certainly among the top four contenders to make it. That means the Bills have a 50-50 chance of making it to that game. Since 50-50 is the realistic outcome of ANY game, the Bills making the championship game is realistic.