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19 hours ago, HappyDays said:
Funny enough I've been asking myself over the past few years what it would be like to have an elite pass rusher. Von showed us a glimpse before his injury, but other than that we have been lacking this major component of the championship formula that other contenders have had.
Well, Bosa's performance in this game showed me what it's like. Beyond his on paper production which itself was eye popping, his constant disruption whether it got home or not was getting in Fields' head and made him completely ineffective. There were flashes of it in week 1 and now we've gotten the full vision. It's been a long time since I could say a Bills player other than Allen took over a game and made it effectively impossible for the opponent to stay in it.
Bosa and Oliver look like they could be a major problem this year if they can just stay healthy together. I'm desperately hoping we lock up the #1 seed early so we can let them rest and have them full steam ahead entering the playoffs. Those guys wreaking havoc around the QB could be the missing element we need to finally get over the hump.
Yes, Hap, you have been kind of a broken record on the subject, and it was hard to argue with you. McDermott's defensive line has been loaded with guys who are very good at handling their assignments but few guys who can create on their own. Rousseau is the highest level example of that - he's really good at his position, consistent pass rush that is a bother but doesn't get home much, excellent run stopping and pursuit, but he isn't a problem. Nobody on the line has been a problem except, as you say, Miller.
As I said, my seats were low and I didn't spend much time trying to focus on any particular player - White a little, Bosa a little, but mostly I was just watching the play go by. However, as the game went along and I just watched the plays, I kept seeing someone on the d line flash by, and every time I checked, it was Bosa. He was coming off the line, bursting off the line, immediately putting the blocker on the defensive. He just kept flashing into and out of my view. It was pretty clear that the Jets felt his presence on a lot of plays when he didn't actually make a play.
And, of course, he can finish. The punch out to cause the fumble was beautiful, not to mention his pursuit on the play.
All of it is what you and I have talked about often - another difference maker beyond Allen, a guy who is disruptive and who forces the offense to account for him on every play.
The question is can he harness his creative energy within the system, so that he's both disruptive and responsible for his assignment. He got burned more than once against the Ravens, crashing down the line to pursue the running back while Jackson kept the ball and ran past him to open field. I think he can.
He was so animated on the bench in the fourth quarter. He played all those years on a team that was, in my view, mid-level dysfunctional. The Chargers always pretended to be good but never had what it takes to actually be good. Now he finds himself on a team where he's welcome and appreciated, and a team that actually is good. On the bench, he looked like he was celebrating the fact that his career has taken him to what may be the perfect place for him: a contender that will platoon him and that will look for ways for him to use his special talents.
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10 minutes ago, Billsatlastin2018 said:
I spent yesterday at the upstairs ballrooms of Seneca Niagara Casino with my Sis and 1000 Bills fans. The Casino put on the dog, inviting all of these fans to the equivalent of a huge tailgate- all the Usual Suspect foods and Open Bar… gratis! Quite a little partay, with 90% of the attendees bedecked in all manner of Bills gear.What is eerie about what you have said here, is that after the first 10 points were celebrated, more quiet confidence, then open disinterest became the order of the day, as the result seemed the type of fait accompli, seen only a very, very few times during the Allen years.
Of course, people were happy, but this was not the Miracle Ravens nail biting comeback. Rather, it was a methodical, beatdown, a boring, run out the clock whipping… and on to Miami!
That's amazing. A great way to watch the Bills, and the perty fizzles because the game is a non-event.
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7 hours ago, Rubes said:
Great post, @Shaw66. Just curious, how was the view of the game from that low in the bowl?
You know, I'm not sure there's a perfect place to watch a game. I loved it down there.
The problem, of course, is that when you're that low, even if you're on the 50, your perspective on plays inside the 20 isn't good. It's hard to tell if a run went for 2 yards or 8 yards. And stuff gets in your way, like that truck with two TV cameras on it, players on the sideline, and other stuff.
On the other hand, as I described, seeing the guys on the bench is interesting. Seeing some the plays up close, like Cook's run, is really special. And something I didn't expect: The kickoffs are really interesting. The speed of the players is awesome, about 20 guys accelerating up to full speed and running into each other, and the return man flying into the pile. It was really cool.
Up higher in the lower bowl, where I sit in Highmark, gives a really good view of the whole field, so from a pure game-watching point of view, it's better. But it isn't up close and personal like being low and close. A different experience.
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2 hours ago, muppy said:
when I saw Tyrod Taylor on the field I had flashbacks of what we had before Josh Allen
You can never take away from Beane the fact he took him in that draft.
The rest is history and future to uinfold
we are buckled in for a ride to the Championship Game and beyond this year
GO BILLS
I so wanted Tyrod to grow into a winner. I was even rooting for him on Sunday.
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1 hour ago, Dan Darragh said:
It's really been uncanny how the chips have fallen the Bills' way in the first two weeks of the season.
The Bills' only games this season against teams that are currently 2-0 are Cincinnati (week 14) and Philly (week 17) plus possibly Tampa Bay (week 11) (1-0 and playing tonight). We're 2 games up on Kansas City a game up on Baltimore with the tiebreaker, and 2 games up on the entire division except New England because, well, someone had to win that MIA-NE game yesterday.
It's too early to get excited by all this and I'm risking putting a Jim Nantz kicker hex on it by talking about it, but how often do you remember everything going the Bills' way around the league? The last time I remember this happening was Week 17 in 2017.
Bengals could have lost one or two. Other than that, great start.
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1 minute ago, SoTier said:
Thank you for an excellent description of a Bills game in Met Life!
Many years ago, I went to a MNF Jets-Bills game in the old Meadowlands stadium when Jim Kelly led the Bills back from a 10 point deficit to win easily. Jets fans are among the most long suffering in the NFL.
Thanks. Maybe I need to revise the post some, because I forgot to talk about the Jets fans. As I said, I've been to several of these, but this time the Jets fans opened the game with about the same enthusiasm they had at the end of the game. It really seemed like they came to the stadium with no hope (and they were right - there was no hope). They rarely made noise on third down, and they didn't have any plays to get excited about.
The lack of noise and the Jets futility made it one of the more boring pro football games I've seen in a while. There was surprisingly little energy in the stadium, right from the beginning. The way I felt, and it seemed the way many people (including Jets fans) in the stadium felt, was that we were just sitting and waiting for the Bills to do something exciting, because the Jets weren't going to.
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It was a gorgeous day. Bright blue sky, a little wind, temperature climbing quickly from the 60s to around 80. In less than two hours, we’d driven from central Connecticut to MetLife Stadium. We cruised into the parking lot a little after 11.
It was mostly Jets fans tailgating, with Bills fans sprinkled in all around. Two guys were sitting in folding chairs behind their car, which was about as close to the entrance to the stadium as possible. They must have been in line when the parking lots opened. They sat, chatting comfortably. They could have been sitting in their backyard, having a beer, and watching the kids splash in the kiddy pool. Except, one was dressed in Jets green, head to toe, the other completely in Bills red – the famous “color rush” style that the NFL and Nike promoted one year on Thursday Night Football.
A few steps further, a Bills fan approached us and offered some Josh Allen MVP Puffs, right out of the box. With a big grin on his face, he said my daughter and I (unmistakably Bills fans in our blue and red caps and clothes and me in my brand-new blue Bills Nikes) could take some, but not our friend, who was decked out in green. We each took a handful—including our friend. We chatted with him for a few minutes, and then we headed into the stadium.
My friend has three seats for Jets games at MetLife, and for many of the past 15 years he has shared them with me when the Bills come to town. Usually, he and I go with one of my family members; occasionally he’s given the third seat to someone else. Sometimes, he gives me all three. He’s a generous guy.
And these aren’t just any seats. These seats are on the 30-yard line, second row, behind the right-hand end of the Bills’ bench, where the defensive linemen sit. A few hours after we walked into the stadium, the spectacular Rutgers marching band played right in front of us at halftime—they were great. A few minutes after that, James Cook would weave his way through the Jets defense right in front of us and then blaze into the end zone for the play of the day.
It's just a great place to watch a Bills game.
When we got to our seats, I stood for a few minutes, taking in the view. Only a few thousand fans had entered the stadium. A few players were on the field, stretching and loosening up, and stadium workers continued to set up miscellaneous stuff. A Jets fan from the next section walked along his row and approached me.
“Can I ask you a question?”
I said, “sure.”
And then he asked the only question that matters: “What’s it like to have a quarterback?”
He went on. “I mean, we really haven’t had one since Namath. Actually, I’m a Giants fan first, and both the Jets and Giants could have drafted Josh Allen. So, I want to know how it feels.”
He knew an old Bills fan was the right person to ask, because Bills fans had a Super Bowl run with a Hall of Fame quarterback, then 20 years of quarterback futility, and now we have Josh Allen. We’ve truly been on the quarterback roller coaster.
With a big grin on my face, I said, “It’s great! Having a quarterback is all that matters.” Nothing else needs to be said. I told him that I’d recently heard a Bills fan say, “The Bills used to lose games they should have won. Now, the Bills win games they should lose.” That’s how it feels to have a quarterback.
And then he returned to his seat, and he and I sat watching what it means to have a quarterback and what it means to have—well—Justin Fields. Fields, now in his fifth season in the NFL, looked like a rookie as he tried to figure out what to do with the Bills’ defense. He couldn’t. In three quarters of football, he had three completions on nine attempts for 27 yards and two sacks that lost 19 yards. It was abysmal.
The Jets couldn’t run the ball, either. Breece Hall, their star running back, managed just 29 yards on 10 carries. Fields and Tyrod Taylor, who relieved Fields in the fourth quarter, broke free on a few big scrambles, but nothing that amounted to anything.
Meanwhile, Allen was having a workmanlike day, finding open receivers and delivering catchable balls. Allen’s stats would have been significantly better if Dawson Knox hadn’t dropped two passes. Allen added a few of his own scrambles—like Fields, he averaged 9.8 yards per carry.
James Cook was the star ball carrier, with 132 yards on 21 carries and two touchdowns, including the highlight-reel 44-yard gem.
The Bills defense, which had struggled last week against the Ravens (the Ravens have a quarterback), simply outmatched the Jets everywhere, stopping the run and the pass with equal effectiveness. Tre’Davious White returned to the starting lineup and teamed with Christian Benford, challenging the Jets receivers to make plays against two #1 corner backs. Cam Lewis filled in for Taron Johnson nicely, and the Bills didn’t miss last week’s star, Ed Oliver. Joey Bosa stepped up in Oliver’s absence, flying around the field as he did so often for the Chargers, contributing a sack and forcing a fumble. He was a disruptive force.
Sometime after the forced fumble, the defensive linemen sitting on the bench in front of us were enjoying the success they were having on the field. Bosa especially. He was walking around, chatting energetically with first one guy then another, demonstrating how he put hands on the blocker and pulled him forward while jumping to the side and bursting past him. He couldn’t sit down. Finally, he looked at me and the other Bills fans sitting around me and acknowledged us with a smile and wave. Here was a man who was happy to be a Bill.
My good-natured friend sat through it all, waiting and hoping for the Jets to give him something to celebrate, but there was nothing.
Late in the game, most of the Bills were milling around the sideline, watching the backups finish it up. Two boys and two girls in Bills gear and probably between five and ten years old came down the aisle and stood at the rail, trying to get the attention of any Bills player. They were blocking our view of the game; the ushers usually will move people away from there, but the game was essentially over, and the kids were having fun. They were calling out players’ names, calling especially for Josh. A lineman turned and waved at them, and they yelled back. A minute later Josh waved to them, and the four kids exploded in screams and shrieks before scrambling back to their seats to tell their parents.
That’s how it feels to have a quarterback.
GO BILLS!!!
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2 minutes ago, TFBillsfan said:
I actually think there are many Bills fans who fall in this category. Born and raised in the Midwest, now living in Atlanta, without any ties to Buffalo. Been a fan since the mid 80’s. Been to multiple games in Buffalo. Love what the city and fans represent and love passing that tradition on to my daughter. Our family will be there for the Saints game.
LETS GO BUFFALO! BillsMafia is everywhere!
Thanks.
If you had to guess, where do you think the Bills might rank in terms of fans not from the team's city? I mean, I'd guess that the Packers, Steelers, and Cowboys in some order are at or near the top of the list. Do you think the Bills are in the top ten?
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So cool to hear from fans who've never been to Buffalo. It's hard to imagine being a fan of this team if you didn't grow up there. Just so cool.
I'll be there Thursday in 212 with my son. He spent his childhood in Connecticut and became a Bills fan, but he had an excuse - me. His children are growing up in Connecticut, too, and they're Bills fans.
Have a great time!
GO BILLS!
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People were standing in front of us. Bummer.
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2 hours ago, Sierra Foothills said:
Agreed but conversely an eligible offensive player shouldn't put himself in that position.
It's perhaps a failure of coaching as well but Coleman played that rep as if he was unaware of the rule.
I agree. There is a lot of Coleman's game that still looks like he's a rookie. I'm hopeful that his dedication and McDermott's leadership will help him continue to mature, both personally and as a player.
There were times during the game on Sunday where I thought," if this guy gets serious and develops his game, he will be one of the best receivers in the league."
He's not the same body type as Mike Evans, but I can see him being as valuable a weapon. He's learning ways to get open, and he has great but inconsistent hands.
It's also quite clear that Allen already is looking to him. Allen is going to be pressuring him to get better and better, and I'm hopeful we are going to see some special things from him.
But for now, he does some head scratching things. He certainly didn't look like he was paying much attention to where the back of the end zone was on that play.
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8 hours ago, Sierra Foothills said:
I believe you guys aren't familiar with the rule.
The call according to Referee John Hussey was "illegal touching" (of a forward pass).
Article 8. Illegal Touching Of A Forward Pass:
It is a foul for illegal touching if a forward pass (legal or illegal) thrown from behind the line of scrimmage:is first touched intentionally or is caught by an originally ineligible offensive player. If such a pass is caught, it is a live ball; (Penalty: Loss of five yards at the previous spot).
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It is a foul for illegal touching if a forward pass (legal or illegal) first touches or is caught by an eligible offensive receiver who has gone out of bounds, either of his own volition or by being legally forced out of bounds and has reestablished himself inbounds. If such a pass is caught, it is a live ball.
(Penalty: Loss of down at the previous spot).
To me this invalidates 2 points that are the basis for arguing that it was an error in officiating:
- That he was forced out of bounds by the defender... it doesn't matter.
- That he re-established himself inbounds. Again it doesn't matter... according to the letter of the law, he cannot be the first person to touch the ball when he gets back inbounds.
Thanks. I didn't know the rule. Seems unfair to be ineligible if you were pushed out. Should be able to re-establish eligibility.
DB can still make first touch if he has been pushed out.
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8 hours ago, pennstate10 said:
Im with KC. This version of the Bills doesn’t have a great record on 2 pt conversions. Don’t chase the points until you have to.
I'll say it again: Look at Thurman's post. Bills have been top ten in two-point conversions for three straight seasons.
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5 hours ago, pennstate10 said:
Im with KC. This version of the Bills doesn’t have a great record on 2 pt conversions. Don’t chase the points until you have to.
As Thurman#1 pointed out, the Bills have been top 10 in two-point conversions for the past three seasons.
Tied for 9th in '24 with 50%.
Tied for 10th in '23 with 75%.
Tied for 9th in '22 with 66.66%
So, if the Bills have been successful doing it, and if the analytics say go for it, what exactly is the reason for not going for it?
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I think this discussion about whether to go for two is classic. I think people like to solve these problems in their heads; I know I do. But the reality is that someone has solved these problems statistically, and they know which strategies have the greatest likelihood of success. They are statistical facts. So, "if the Bills had just kicked the extra point those three times, they would have had the three points they needed to win the game" may sound nice to us, but as a statistical matter, the Bills would have been less likely to win the game doing that. Now, in this instance it turned out to be true, but in most instances it would not have. Same with "Well, if you've already kicked the extra point, don't take points off the board." Sounds nice, but the stats say you're less likely to win if you take that point.
Google it. I did. The analytics says if you're down 15 with three minutes or less, kick the extra point. If you're down 15 with more than three minutes, go for two. Twice the Bills were down 15, and they went for 2 twice, just what the analytics say. Then they were down 8, so going for two is a no-brainer. McDermott did it right.
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3 minutes ago, blitzboy54 said:
One thing nobody is talking about is the NFL rule on TD's/and 2 point conversions is if you are forced out of bounds and re establish both feet in bounds the play counts. I don't understand how everyone just sort of said yup when he was clearly forced out and made every effort to get back in. He met all the criteria for a catch then everyone just moved on. We spent the rest of the game chasing those points.
I agree that was McD's best clock management performance to date. I hope that is the new standard because it was smart and if handled any other way we would not have won.
He clearly had both feet in bounds. I don't have the replay up, but when I watched I thought it was clear that he was forced out. Right? He did take a few steps out of bounds; did it look like he didn't get back on the field fast enough?
And one more thing about that. I really think the NFL has to change the rules about automatic reviews. Scoring plays are automatic, but plays that would have been scoring plays but weren't because of a ref's ruling are not. So, McD would have to challenge that call, if it's reviewable at all. The lost timeout would have been really costly.
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4 hours ago, GaryPinC said:
The fact is Josh needed to.put more air under that ball so Coleman could high point it. It’s the new NFL PI calls. If the DB has good position, sees and is making a play for the ball they let a lot of handfighting go. Equal opportunity, and I like it even though it worked against us in this case.
I agree with all of this. They are letting them play, and there's a lot of contact, grabbing, etc., but it's just two athletes fighting for the ball. They have it about right.
And yes, Allen missed that throw by at least three feet. Surprised Collinsworth didn't comment on it. You could see that Coleman was ready to elevate and then didn't. Put that ball three feet higher, Coleman gets his hands above his head, and he catches it. If the play was designed for the ball to go where Allen put it, it's a pretty low probability play.
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Pounding Dog, Bills Fan 89, and wjag all with great lists of commentary. Good stuff.
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7 minutes ago, strive_for_five_guy said:
I’m really hoping Oliver is ready to put together an All Pro type season and act the Aaron Donald / Chris Jones game wrecker role this season
I've never seen him as being that kind of guy, but Sunday night could have been the beginning of his ascendancy. NBC showed him on the sideline, I think during the Bills last touchdown drive, before the three-and-out, and he looked seriously dialed in.
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4 minutes ago, KCNC said:
That's cool and everything. But the Bills don't exactly have a great record of successful 2 point attempts. At least as far as my old brain can remember.
I agree - they don't. But the only way they will learn to be better is by working at it. It's something that needs to be in the arsenal, and when it's time to go for it, they need to go for it. JMO
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1 minute ago, Shortchaz said:
I don’t see the issue with leaving a game early. People have things to do and don’t want to waste time watching a beat down. The people whose value system is such that staying in a stadium for an extra twenty minutes and sitting in traffic for an extra hour for the insanely low chance they witness a game one win is worth it are not better people.
I agree. I didn't say there was anything wrong with people leaving. I wish they wouldn't, because I'd like the stadium to be full to support the team, but it isn't for me to tell people whether they should stay or go.
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1 minute ago, KCNC said:
Agree on everything except the 2-point conversions. Sean took points off the board on the first one in order to try for 2. He has done this before and it drives me crazy. Leave the points on the board!
It's the new NFL. The aggressive play, especially in a game where the opponent is a scoring machine, is to for it after penalty.
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5 minutes ago, CA OC Bills Fan said:
I hate to admit it, but I left☹️ The last Henry touchdown did me in. I said to my friend, "Let's what the next Bills drive, but even if they score, let's leave, the Bills just can't stop them." Then, the pass that was initially called an interception happened. Even though the replay came before we were out of our aisle, we still said "screw it" and were out of there.
By the way, I DID stay to the end of the Houston comeback game, so this is the first time I've made this major mistake.
It's quite depressing that I missed it. I flew from CA, arrived at my father's in Rochester at 11 PM Saturday night, got back from the game around 1:30 AM Sunday, and my Uber picked me up at 5 AM. Was in town for 30 hours just for the game, and then I blew seeing the end of an epic!
And, although I was honest about leaving with all my friends and family, I lied to those at work, the strangers I saw in the airport, and told my wife to lie to her coworkers! I'll take my lumps with those I know (and anyone who may respond to this post), but refuse to take the xxxx (and pity) from coworkers or others!
This is classic! Thanks for your honesty about it. Love it!
At a sports bar Sunday afternoon, I sat next to a guy who had flown in from CA just for the game. He was waiting for ticket prices to fall before he bought his. I've been wondering for two days now whether he stayed or left.
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I keep thinking the rookies will improve, and they probably will, and I keep forgetting that two veterans are coming off suspension. If the Bills can be at something close to full strength, they are going to be throwing an amazing variety of skill sets at offensive lines, with different combinations of guys playing, and with them rotating positions. Offensive linemen will be facing three or four or even five different guys over the course of the game, all with different skill sets.