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    Rumor: Bills trying aggressively to move up for a WR in round one

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    3 minutes ago, warrior9 said:

    That’s what their O did all year… think you’re proving my point? It’s not about speed speed speed. 

     

    The point was actually having a real #1.

     

    Also, KC also won the Super Bowl with speed speed speed as well when they had Hill and Hardman.  So they proved you can with both ways.

     

      

    2 minutes ago, Dillenger4 said:

    Are you for real? Are you "Real with Cheese"?

    They won the SB for christ sake.

     

    You missed the point.  The point was you can win a SB without having an elite #1 WR.  It was just proven.

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    Rumor: Bills trying aggressively to move up for a WR in round one

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    2 minutes ago, warrior9 said:

    I would consider Kelce the Chiefs #1. Yes, you do. We don’t have Kelsey at TE, yet. Again if we had a dominate #1 or a Kelce… I’d be all for the worthy pick. We don’t have that. 

     

    Travis Kelce at age 34 is not an elite or dominant playmaking TE anymore.  The Chiefs scored 23 ppg last year as an offense last year and in the playoffs.

     

    We also have Kincaid entering his prime years while Kelce is starting to decline.

     

     

    Rumor: Bills trying aggressively to move up for a WR in round one

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    4 minutes ago, warrior9 said:

    You're not doing it because you said speed speed speed and it's UTTERLY false. The best WR's in this league other than ONE don't run below a 4.4

     

    Your speed claim is inaccurate. I didn't even talk about Worthy at all in my previous post. Again, what did you think of Quentin Johnstone coming out of TCU? 

     

    Jamar Chase ran a 4.38

    Tyreek Hill best was 4.29

    DK Metcalf ran a 4.33

    Jaylen Waddle 4.37

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    Oof - the penalty for being good, but not good enough

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    8 minutes ago, H2o said:

    I've said it from the beginning that MHJ, Nabers, and Odunze just seem to be a cut above the rest. If the opportunity presents itself, and it's not something absolutely ridiculous compensation wise, then you make that move. 

     

    If we stay put and the Chiefs jump for a WR, then watch the same people saying "we shouldn't move up" claim it was the greatest move ever by an organization constantly beating us out. 

     

    The one thing that would upset me is if the Chiefs jump ahead of us to get McConkey or Worthy....like they move up to like 25-27 just to steal one of them from us.

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    Oof - the penalty for being good, but not good enough

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    6 minutes ago, Maynard said:

    The closer we get to the draft the more I want us to move up to 8 and grab Odunze. I don’t expect him to slip past Chicago. I know this mortgages our future, but Odunze has character, intelligence, and elite skills. He’d be perfect for Allen. If we can’t make that happen, I’d be okay to move out of the first round altogether and take 2 WR’s to buck the odds. 

     

    I love Odunze.  If we can't land him, I kinda hope we double up on McConkey and Worthy.  Adding them gives us 3 WR's who run 4.3 and below - 40's.  

    McConkey can play the outside and Worthy was predominantly outside.

     

    This speed stretches the defenses.  If Allen had the Dolphins speed and with Kincaid in the middle....erection.

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    Legette vs. McConkey

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    2 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

     

    He really couldn't though. When officials keep their flags in their pockets during the playoffs, he disappears. CBs get their hands on him and grab at him and he can't get off the coverage. The Bills have dipped into the well of small-ish shifty route runners way too many times and it just isn't working. Allen has to stand on his head while juggling three rabbits just to sustain drives in the playoffs. Nobody steps up to make a play for him. I want someone that is going to step up and make a play.

     

    You're being a bit hyperbolic.  

     

    Cole Beasley didn't work?  Shakir isn't going to work?

     

    If you want a legit comparison.  Marvin Harrison.  They are both 6'0 and 185 lbs and have the same arm length.  Harrison played in a time in which you could grab WR's more.  I don't think you would say Marvin Harrison Sr should have been a slot WR right?

     

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    Legette vs. McConkey

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    20 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

    I would like one of the McConkey fans to tell me, who is the comp player for his ceiling? Legette I can say it's AJ Brown. McConkey I can't think of anyone with his skill set that became a truly elite WR. Maybe Stefon Diggs but if that's the ceiling it's not good enough. We need someone that has the potential to dominate in the playoffs.

     

    I'm not sure player comparison is a good way to compare.  Especially since someone like Stefon Diggs was a late round pick so he had enough negatives to take him to day 3.  

    Diggs has the most catches in NFL history by age 30.  He was an elite WR.

    18 minutes ago, BIGFOOTspaceman said:

    Just saying, but DK Metcalf was also considered a "one trick pony" in regard to only being a vertical threat....I hope Beane is doing his due diligence on this receiver group and doesn't reach based on need.  

     

     

    McConkey's comp would be at best, Edelman/Welker....at worst, Beasley.

     

    Edelman, Welker and Beasley are all under 6 foot, play strictly the slot and do not stretch the field.

     

    McConkey is 6 foot and runs a 4.3 - 40.  

    12 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

     

    I mean absolute ceiling. His best trait is route running so Diggs is probably his absolute ceiling. But my whole thing is I want a WR whose absolute ceiling is dominant WR1 in the playoffs, at least with our 1st round pick. In the 2nd sure take McConkey, that's the right value for him. If his absolute ceiling is a guy that can't beat physical coverage outside I really have no interest in that player in the 1st round. And I can't think of anyone with McConkey's skill set that fits the profile I'm looking for.

     

     

    You compared McConkey to Diggs and Diggs could beat physical coverage on the outside.  So why doesn't that profile fit what you're looking for?

    NFL draft rumors 2024

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    8 minutes ago, Allen2Moulds said:

    Been crushing on Nabers for months.  He's the one guy you trade the farm for.

     

    I love that McConkey is smart and a good separator, but I agree with the athletic.  Size/durability concerns are real.  Doesn't look like he'll hold up.  If it wasn't for that, we might be talking about him, like we talk about the big 3.

     

    I still like BTJ, and feel that at worst, he would be a good deep threat. It's up to Beane and staff, to see whether or not he can expand his route tree a bit. I can't help but think of DK. 

     

    To me, the only guy that can do it all, is Nabers.  I think everyone else has 1 flaw or another.  

     

    Draft can't come soon enough!

     

    I see that a lot and I just don't agree with these writers.  He is about the same size as Stefon Diggs.  Marvin Harrison as well and he played in an era where you could hit.  

     

    If you have the ability not to take big shots all the time, you will last long.  McConkey is that guy.

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    Legette vs. McConkey

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    McConkey will be a very good WR.  He probably won't make it to the elite level but he will be reliable.  

     

    McConkey all day.

    4 minutes ago, dpberr said:

    You take the receiver with the superior route running intelligence and ability.   That's the difference maker in the NFL.

     

    That's McConkey here.  

     

    That's what will make him a very good NFL WR for a long time.

    NFL draft rumors 2024

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    3 minutes ago, Einstein's Dog said:

    Yeah, not a good look out of Legette.  If it was said to him, he is outing what is not hard to understand was a private conversation to the public.  It puts the person who said this to him -which wouldn't be hard for the Panthers to figure out- in a bad situation.

     

    Secondly, it is kind of hard to believe someone actually told him this.  It seems like he may be positively interpreting some conversation.  And Legette by making this statement, if it doesn't come true, makes it seem like someone lied to him.

     

    I'm off the Legette train, maybe in the 4th.  Give me McConkey/Franklin/Coleman over this mess.

     

     

    I am thinking the same thing.  I saw that and was like "oooooh....not a good look".  

    Being able to keep a private conversation private is common sense.  

     

    I am a McConkey fan.  He is hosting a youth football camp 5 miles down the road from me...I want to go but only if he's a Bill.

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