Straight Hucklebuck
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Lendale White
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Larry Johnson has two incredible years, 1,700 yards each season.
Then he broke down.
Jamaal Anderson of the Falcons
David Boston
Josh Gordon had 1,600 yards in 14 games and has never been as good again
Mike Turner in Atlanta died out quickly - I stand corrected, he had 3x 1,000 yard seasons
Peerless Price
Case Keenum
Robert Griffin III
Justin Blackmon could have been good.
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You gotta be kidding me
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Put him in the slot.
And run the ball with someone else.
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1 minute ago, Shaw66 said:
Do you mean you agree that's what happened or you agree that was the right thing to do?
Whether it was right or not, I'm saying the Pegulas pretty much committed to McDermott for three years and I'm guessing that they pretty much extended that commitment when the Bills made the playoffs. Not sure it was the right thing to do, but I think that's what happened. Nothing in writing, of course.
I think that happened because making the playoffs took a tremendous amount of pressure off the Pegulas in Buffalo. Life would be hell right now if the Bengals hadn't pulled off that miracle. Anybody who works for me and does me that big of a favor has built up a lot of good will.
Not when you followup 9-7 with a 6-10 snoozer.
Selling the same old story of hope, continuity and "progress"
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7 minutes ago, Shaw66 said:
In your world.
When you buy a team, that's the way you can run it.
It was completely clear to me, if not you, that McDermott had AT LEAST three years the day he was hired. And once he got to the playoffs, it was quite likely that three became four.
I know that 3-point masterpiece needs to be put in a keepsake for all eternity.
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2 minutes ago, Shaw66 said:
I think this is an important point, and it's why I said in a way this is McDermott's first season. This will be the first roster that is completely McBeane's. The few holdovers from REx's term are there because McBeane want them. Everyone else is now a guy they wanted.
On top of that, everyone on the roster today (except the couple of free agent signings) knows the process and what's expected of them, and every guy who joins the team from here on out will learn from the veterans how this team operates. That's a different environment from McDermott's first year, and even to an extent last season.
McBeane will tell you they don't have all the talent they want, but they now have the kind of players they want.
I think the important point in all this is not just that this is what McBeane are doing, but that they talk to the Pegulas about it and the Pegulas understand this is what is happening. So the Pegulas' expectations are NOT that this will be a playoff team this season, although that might happen. Their expectation is that the team will be better than last season in ways that are consistent with the way McBeane are trying to build it.
The clock starts as soon the coach signs the contract.
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12 minutes ago, Shaw66 said:
Like I said, I understand that's what you want and what you would do as owner.
And like I said, what I'm talking about is what I think the McBeane and the Pegulas are doing. You don't have to like it. You can disagree with it. But it's pretty ignorant of you to criticize fans for having the wrong attitude about this. I'm not talking about what I'd do; I'm talking about I think the Pegulas will do.
The Pegulas made a huge mistake when they hired Rex. They figured that out. They took a different approach with this hire.
Whether you like it or not, McDermott and then Beane sold the Pegulas the process, and the Pegulas bought it.
Whether you like it or not, all indications are that all four of them still believe the process is the way to go.
Whether you like it or not, Terry Pegula understands that building success takes time. It took him decades to earn $5 billion.
So whether you like it or not, the Pegulas are going to measure success in terms of the process, not in terms of wins and losses. If McBeane say the process is on track, and if the Pegulas agree, no one's losing their job with 7 wins. Of course, if the Pegulas don't agree, then McBeane will be gone.
My point only is that some other owners may fire their head coach based on one season's record; I don't think that's what the Pegulas are thinking.
I spend it because I like going to the games. Pretty basic.
Well the elder fans who criticize the younger fans sure have been proven right over the years haven't they?
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10 minutes ago, Shaw66 said:
The NFL is a collection of 32 business owners, and it's only about wins in the way each owner decides it's about wins. Jerry Jones has stuck with Howdy Doody down there longer than I would have thought possible, and no one is about wins more than Jerry Jones.
What I'm saying is McBeane have a process, and they've sold the Pegulas on the process. All four of them understand what 2019 success means in terms of the process, and I don't believe that the 2019 measure of success is some number of wins. It's measurable progress on dozens and dozens of objectives. They can make that progress and still not win 8 games, and if that happens, I think the Pegulas are in for another year.
Simply put, under the process, won-loss record in 2019 is not a primary objective.
Why even spend money to go to the games?
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3 minutes ago, eball said:
Why are you so unhappy?
No eball - you should ask yourself why you feel the need to shame other fans for trying to have a standard for this team.
This is professional sports, not a soup kitchen.
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Reach for need and blow large amounts of draft capital because they covet specific players?
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1 minute ago, CaptnCoke11 said:
That winning streak was a lucky fluke. The team you see now is who they are. Not very good
Then, we should treat them like the Bills.
Call me when you're good.
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Then guess what?
The Culture excuse is long gone.
McDermott has his culture.
Now get some results.
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11 minutes ago, ScottLaw said:
I think a lot of fans have been watching the Sabres too much.
They aren't the blueprint for perennial winning.
The Sabres disgust me.
As soon as the the expectations are raised with a 10-game win streak, they tucked their head into the shell and went down with a whimper.
86% chance to make the Playoffs at one point, down to less than 40% now.
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1 hour ago, Shaw66 said:
You're saying what you think should be done. That's fine.
I'm saying what I think will happen. And I'm saying it because I think I have developed a good understanding of the process, and it seems you haven't.
McBeane are all about continuous improvement. That's the process. They have a detailed development plan for every aspect of the team, on the field and off. Players get graded on all aspects of their career in Buffalo, on the field and off. They get graded on every practice, every play. If they're making good progress, they stay until they stop making progress or someone passes them. Coaches, the same thing. If McDermott keeps making progress on the goals that have been set for him, he stays. If he stops making progress, he's in trouble.
The goals do NOT include making the playoffs or winning the Super Bowl. The goals are lots of small, well defined goals that represent incremental improvement. The THEORY, instead of the goal, is that if you continue to make improvement at all the goals and behaviors set out for you, the wins will follow.
So, it's very possible that the team will make progress in 2019, as measured by 2019 performance compared to 2019 goals, and still go 7-9.
It's similar to the mentality baseball hitters have - the objective is to see the ball and make a good swing. If you do that well, the hits will take care of themselves. I here hitters say often that they're satisfied because they got good swings.
2019 is, in a way, McBeane's first year. It's the first year they will have a roster made up completely of players they picked because they look like good fits for the process. It's the first year they'll have an entire team dedicated to and engaged in the process. It wouldn't make sense to fire them after their first season unless, as Joe said, the wheels fall off.
What a load of baloney this is. All of it.
This whole thread is the sad epitome of the failed Buffalo sports fans mentality. Trying to find any excuse they can to lower bar. To shame the rest of the fans for their lack of understanding and impatience.
Frankly, I don't care how many times McDermott points out that he has seen it all and done everything. That he keeps a little notebook with him at all times, critiquing a players devotion to his lame process. The "process" is a fake, made-up word that he uses and the bobble-head fans lap it up. Doug Marrone had that arrogant, been there, done it all attitude as well.
He hasn't won anything. Not in Philadelphia, not in Carolina, and not in Buffalo. Sorry Coach, you run a 1908 Harvard offense, and have been dead wrong on Nate Peterman, not once, but twice. You have a 15-17 overall record in Buffalo.
What GM is going to say that continuous improvement is not the goal? His head is stuck in Carolina.
2019 is McDermott and Beane's third year in Buffalo. Not first. Third. I don't know how you come to that statement you made. They have their culture, they have their QB, they have their cap space, they have their Draft picks, they have the owner's backing. I'm sure Chris Brown will tell us about the importance of OTA's, John Murphy will have his fire-side chat with Kim Pegula with warm cookies baking in the oven behind them, Allen will talk some non-sense about not looking over his shoulder, that all players make the jump from Year one to Year two, we'll have Mark Kelso talk about the importance of continuity, and we'll have Jim Kelly tell us that we've found our franchise Coach and QB for the 7th time since 2000, but that's garbage. We've heard all of this before.
When are we going to get results Shaw?
The bar should be 10-wins and a legitimate, solid Playoff birth. The Jets have a new Coach, the Dolphins have a new Coach, Brady will be 42 next season. But not in Buffalo. You're the kid who doesn't get toys at Christmas. Instead we'll get a Coach talking about the importance of getting 31 year old LeSean McCoy "going" and a GM patting himself on the back for Tremaine Edmunds greatness, all the while Kyle Williams leads the charge.
The real truth is Shaw, Kyle Williams would have been better as a Raven, or a Steeler, or a Patriot. He could have played in games that matter. But the Bills don't want better. They want to live in the past, live in their mental safe box of low expectations, always the cashier muttering to themselves about how unfair it all is.
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17 hours ago, Shaw66 said:
I think you are largely correct, but this is a hot seat year for McBeane. They need to show real progress this year or there are serious questions about whether their process is working. Progress is 8, 9 or 10 wins. 7 wins, maybe. Six wins, and the Pegulas are legitimately asking "what's going on here?"
7 wins is progress? 8 wins is progress?
Geez, this fan base never changes.
We were saying the same things when Dick Jauron was here.
There will never be any real expectations in Buffalo.
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So we’re just going to excuse a poor 2019 already?
‘Gel’ - a Bills fake made up fan word where magically individual poor NFL lineman suddenly are good when strung together as a group?
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1 hour ago, Joe in Winslow said:
Sorry you don’t like it, but the Bills Super Bowl is always the Draft.
Always hyping the future and making excuses for 6-win seasons.
When are are we going to win 11-games Joe?
When are we going to have a modern NFL offense?
Where are our playmakers?
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The fans have adopted the Bills mindset.
Hopelessly compelled to sell hype and hope when presented with mediocre results.
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2007 - Poslusny
2008 - James Hardy
2009 - Jarius Byrd
2010 - Torrell Troup
2011 - Aaron Williams
2012 - Cordy Glenn
2013 - Robert Woods/Kiko Alonso
2014 - Cyrus K
2015 - Ron Darby
2016 - Reggie Ragland
2017 - Zay Jones/Dion Dawkins
Look at that list.
Antonio Brown is much better than all those players.
Hold onto those draft picks Bills fans, but I want to win someday.
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Reading these comments, Bills fans have really worked themselves into a mindset where talent is never worth it.
Everybody is a character risk, nobody is worth it.
There is more loyalty for our Coach, than the expectation on the team to get great players in here.
Outside of Andre Reed, OBJ would be the best WR to ever put on a Bills uniform.
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4 hours ago, Herc11 said:
I stopped reading when I saw you suggest cutting Ivory...
Really?
Like Chris Ivory is a make or break player.
I’d like a whole new set of running backs Shady included. Being chained to 30-31 year old veterans is ridiculous.
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Kahlil Mack
Haloti Ngata
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I haven’t watched the last four Super Bowls.
Patriots dominance is a reason, the hype is a reason, the rule changes are a reason, and frustration turning to indifference on why the Bills can’t field a competitive team year after year is a reason.
Bills fans and why the love of Blue Collar teams?
in The Stadium Wall Archives
Posted · Edited by Straight Hucklebuck
Because both Buffalo franchises are historically bad, and because of that, fans of our teams have low sports self esteem.
Buffalo clings to the Rudy Ruettiger, Vince Papale underdog, hope beyond hope stories because they see it as a reflection of themselves. The Seabiscuits of the NFL and NHL. The Little Engine that Could. Our teams build around Chris Kelsay and buy it when the organization spins guys like Steve Johnson as a cancer.
The Bills and Sabres have been rebuilding for so long, the Draft is our Super Bowl and so anything that takes away from Draft picks is hated. Because the Draft picks, according to those fans, represent the golden ticket to being good someday. We trade away anyone that has talent for culture reasons - Marshawn Lynch, Jason Peters, Patrick Kane, Ryan O'Reilly, Marcell Dareus, Sammy Watkins, Ronald Darby, letting Pat Williams go because he wanted too much money, trying a one-year stunt for Terrell Owens to sell tickets. Talent is always "not worth it" according to Bills fans. The phrase "he doesn't want to be here" gets thrown around all the time.
Coach after coach, we've hired here has an old mentality - Dick Jauron, Doug Marrone, Dan Bylsma, Phil Housley, Sean McDermott specifically have a "we're going to outwork everyone" mindset. They reinforce the notion that talent is a headache, and that culture is the ticket.
Our fans are gullible. They believe it. You have fans tripping over themselves on this board to give McDermott and Beane more time. They get free passes for mediocre results. We won't trade for Odell Beckham, we'll watch the Patriots do it and mutter about Brady cheating under our breaths like the losers that we are.
Chris Brown will do a puff piece about how Josh Allen had one of the best rookie seasons ever, and how taking OTA reps will catapult him in Year 2.