Straight Hucklebuck
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I just think you have to be realistic about Allen.
The Dallas game this year was a high point of his career. The anticipation throw to Cole Beasley in the Red Zone, the pass he threaded out of his own end zone. Real growth, real playmaking throws. When he has time/protection to load up and fire the football straight down the football field, I saw a better QB.
But the goal isn’t improvement relative to a bottom of the league rookie self, he needs to be better than a good percentage of his peers. You’re in a conference with Patrick Mahomes, Deshaun Watson, Lamar Jackson, Ben Roethlisberger and so on.
The Playoff game showed it’s still a struggle for Josh to orchestrate more than 19-20 ppg. After the hot start, the completion percentage dipped back into the 50’s and the fumbles picked up.
So going into Year 3, he’s not in the bottom tier of NFL passers, but he’s not better than half the league until he shows it. At the end of the day, our offense comes up short in big games (Patriots x2, Ravens, Texans).
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40 minutes ago, Phil The Thrill said:
This pick showed me how poor of a job Buddy did managing the most important position in the NFL - QB. Bad GM
After Donahoe the Bills stopped trying to find a Quarterback for a decade. They really settled into a mode of playing simple football, and trying to build around backups.
They tried Losman, and he gave away to three years of Trent Edwards, three more years of Ryan Fitzpatrick, EJ Manuel for a year, talked Kyle Orton out of retirement, then three more years of Baltimore’s backup Tyrod Taylor.
That’s 10 years of trying to max out as a try hard Wildcard team.
So it started with Marv, carried through with Russ Brandon, Nix and then Whaley.
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One pick that showed how far off the Bills Scouting Department was from 2005-2016 was Derek Fine.
What did our Scouts see in a 25 year old, who ran a 4.95 at the Combine? What a shock, he got here and couldn’t meet the minimum physical requirements of the position.
Picks like Xavier Omon, Danny Batten, Ed Wang, Alvin Bowen, Reggie Corner, Levi Brown, Alex Carrington epitomized the horrendous talent evaluation of the Bills.
And you have to remember, Tom Modrak was leading the Scouting efforts for the Bills through the 2010 Draft.
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41 minutes ago, Buffalo ill said:
For whatever reason I generally pull for the Raiders. I do not own any Raiders gear, nor is there an emotional investment. They would have been my backup plan if Bon Jovi purchased the Bills, moved them to Toronto, and renamed the team.
They were fun the 8-8 year with Hue Jackson because their identity was speed, and they were trying to break years of futility.
Darren McFadden, Darius Heyward-Bey, Jacoby Ford, Fabian Washington.
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9 minutes ago, vorpma said:
Go hang out with Schoop and white, "two intellectual giants," the three of you can have anger contests! The rest of us will enjoy football!
What is enjoyable about 15-17 overall and the 30th ranked offense in the league?
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19 minutes ago, vorpma said:
And if someone does not agree with you, do you pour it on? Sorry dude, like I said in previous posts it's just a game - get over it and enjoy life. Not a personal insult just an observation that your posts suggest you are very angry! For the record I agree with your assessment of the 2000 - 2016 time period, but you just cannot wave a magic wand and fix 16 years of a failed organization; you refuse to give the new management a chance. Henceforth my recommendation of anger management therapy.
Schopp and Jeremy White have come to a conclusion about Buffalo sports that I have come to; the standards here are laughably low.
For instance, when dubs asked a 3-Part question about Sean McDermott’s comments regarding 21 points, I responded with a thought out, thorough answer.
My point is admittedly repetitive, but I think it’s the truth, the “free pass” excuses for McDermott and Beane need to stop this season, and competiting for a Wildcard is not a defined, aggressive goal. It’s a lame and casually written goal. When you have a Coach that goes out of his way to tell you about how he has seen it all, done it all from his time in Carolina and Philadelphia, then three years should be enough to get the Culture and winning method installed. I don’t understand Bills fans who want to hang-back and build in excuses for why winning is not the expectation.
We have tried the soft approach, give them time. Buddy Nix said 9 years ago now that the Bills were not that far away (far away from what he never defined), so we lived through him and his chosen successor. But the reality of losing, and ownership changes means you don’t get to see the end of 5-year plans if you are constantly losing.
I’d argue that McDermott and Beane almost lost this fan base after the 37-5 beating the Colts put on the Bills who were scoring 10.3 ppg at that point in the season. If we’re being told how amazing Josh Allen will be knowing that he will be the QB in OTAs onward, then let’s see it this season, instead of couching expectations in lieu of Year 3 if a 5-year plan based on a Panthers model that made one Super Bowl and lost.
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8 minutes ago, vorpma said:
Try anger management therapy!
Again, if someone doesn’t agree with your narrative you pour on the shame and personal insults.
The truth is simple. In Buffalo you have to pretend that winning is right around the corner, and that there is honor watching the futility of both organizations.
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How? Because the rest of the league has left the Bills behind.
For chunks of time between 2000-now the Bills haven’t felt like a real NFL team - From Russ Brandon as GM, to Dick Jauron as Head Coach, to Doug Whaley’s people shouldn’t play football, to our current Head Coach trying to out-culture the league, it has led to a 24 year Playoff win Drought.
Due to the Bills out-dated decision making, losing, and constant rules changes, I have cut my consumption of the NFL substantially and have no interest in any other franchise.
But I have no issue with other fans looking to smarter, better teams to experience the NFL. To be a fan in Buffalo you have to talk about perpetual 5-year rebuilds and spin 6-10 seasons as “progress”. You have to accept talent equals locker room cancers and that lunchpail is the way to sustained winning.
The Bills are like the Atkins Diet. When fat people started telling the rest of the world how to lose weight. A historically inept organization, constantly siphoning good-will from a 5-year window from 1989-1994.
Jim Kelly endorses this Coach and QB. Buy your season tickets and merchandise today ?.
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On 3/1/2019 at 12:02 PM, Happy Gilmore said:
Dicky J - he said it's hard to win in the NFL...he's right ?
Our current Head Coach has said the same thing.
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10 hours ago, MPT said:
Yikes. Overreaction indeed.
How is it that some some people can disagree with one thing the coach said and all of a sudden they're a Bills-hating pitchfork mob? Someone clearly thought it was an important enough topic to make a thread about, so why not debate it?
How? Because you are being socially policed.
You can have any opinion you want, as long as it’s the opinion they want you to have. Otherwise you’re shamed.
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4 hours ago, vorpma said:
Great post; some adult input!
Oldmanfan comes through again; great post!
I swear many who post on TBD really know little about football, it is a passing fancy much like following trending entertainment. Then there is the "temper tantrum" approach - I want it and I want it now, give it to me, and if I don't get I throw a temper tantrum. Fire everyone now!
What are your "know football" credentials?
And if you can produce them, then please educate everyone who "know little" on when the Bills will start winning in the Playoffs again?
If I can't ask that question because I don't know football, then by all means, go ahead and enlighten everyone.
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2 hours ago, dubs said:
Just to set some standards for consistency sake, a few questions:
1) how many years grace period does a team have from their last “playoff win”?
2) is playoff win the best indicator of success or failure in your view, or are there other, better metrics?
3) Do current owners/front offices/coaching/players own the history of the team before they arrived?
1) Well in the Bills case, there is more leniency than normal because they have not had a Franchise QB since 1996. For instance, the failure of Buddy Nix/Chan Gailey was in large part due to sticking with Dick Jauron's failed Quarterbacks for the entire duration of their tenure in Buffalo (along with flip-flopping on defensive scheme). I am happy that Beane/McDermott elected to not stick with someone else's backup QB (Tyrod Taylor) and to try to legitimately find a QB. I think the answer to your question is 2 years. Otherwise, losing for 3 straight years generally increases the pressure on a Coach immensely, to where its win now, or you get fired. And when you get fired, it bakes in to more years of "new scheme" excuses and prolongs the losing. I get that you don't want to change Coaches every 2-3 years, and I agree. That's why instead of the 5-day search the Bills did in Arizona when they hired Doug Marrone, you conduct a more thorough interview process in which 8-10 guys are considered.
As we've seen, with the Bills, two years is more than enough time to turn over the roster, with only 4-5 guys total left over from the Whaley era. So the "we inherited a bad team" excuse really only holds weight for 1-2 years. Draft difference makers. You are paid to know more than the fans. What great GM or Coach or QB have we let go in the last 20 years that went on to really burn us? Maybe the Negative Nancy's knew what they were talking about, because nobody has really made us eat our words with Playoff wins. Speaking of which...
2) Winning in the Playoffs is the only measure of success in Professional Sports. In Buffalo, we've been racking up the moral victories for years.
3) No, they don't. But that doesn't matter. As soon as they get hired, the clock starts on finding a QB if you don't have one (see all the failures in Cleveland until Dorsey drafted Mayfield), and if they don't recognize that, the regime will never get off the ground. Additionally, I want to see talented players coming in the door via the Draft or Free Agency. If you want to win with culture and lunchpail guys, then you have to demonstrate to me how that meaningfully differentiates your team from the rest of the league. If your plan is to out-culture the league, then results should be expected after 2-3 years. In McDermott's case, the time-frame is now because they chose to trade young talent, and have mostly failed in adding legitimate skill positions to the team.
2 hours ago, oldmanfan said:You are the one who misquoted Joe B, and when shown that you ignore it because it doesn't fit your negative agenda. And I am so tired of your crap about people lowering the bar. It's crap, pure unadulterated crap. What did I say just this morning? That Beane and McD have the picks they want, the cap space they want, the QB and MLB they wanted, and now it is up to them. And if they don't succeed they'll be looking for jobs, AS IT SHOULD BE. I capitalize not to yell but provide emphasis, because you yet again apparently show a predilection to ignoring those things that don't fit your agenda. Two year ago they were in the playoffs, last year they got tools they felt they needed and dumped guys for cap space. That was their plan, they executed it, and now the pressure is on to continue executing their plan. That is not a free pass, that is not lowering the bar. That is how it is, not only with the Bills but pretty much any other professional sports enterprise you care to name.
Your stuff is nonsense. All here know these guys have to succeed or they won't have jobs down the line. And I suspect no one knows that more than Beane and McDermott.
Misquoted Joe B?
I went to WKBW and this was the article that was up:
The quote is directly from the article, I didn't alter anything. I copied and pasted, and I listened to McDermott's conference. (By the way, Bangarang on Page 3 pasted the exact same quote sequence) ....
I've said the same thing as you in regards to 2019. They have no excuses for all the reasons you listed, so you and I agree.
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9 minutes ago, oldmanfan said:
The person you are responding to has a history of slanting every single thing ever written or said about the team in a negative direction. Ignores anything that does not fit his negative agenda and hysterically inflates anything he or she can to try and make the team look bad. Really a sad thing.
When your franchise doesn't have a Playoff win since 1995 there is next to nothing positive to push.
What is sad are the fans that continue to lower the bar.
I want the Bills to win too. But how many "free passes" does this organization get before some results are expected? I don't want to hear 6-10, but that they were "competitive" or that the team is "young".
Luckily for all of us, there are no excuses this year.
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Just now, dubs said:
That’s not what eball put in the OP. And he also was quoting McDermott.
That's the quote Joe B had in his blog:
Anyway you dice it, I think the criticism is fair.
21 points is a low bar, and 21 points ain't going to cut it against Playoff teams.
A threat to score 21 a game is like an NBA team saying they are a threat to score 95 a game.
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There was no "minimum" 21 points per game about it.
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17 minutes ago, dubs said:
He said they want to score at least 21 points every game. He didn’t say he wants to score exactly 21 points every game or average 21 ppg.
If you score at least 21 a game, your average is going to be much higher than 21, getting in the range of the top offenses on a ppg basis.
UPDATE: Glad to see some others understood this too. Was late to the ?
Here was the exact quote:
"I think to be a legitimate contender in this league you've got to be able to score, week in or week our, or a threat to score 21 points a game."
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1 minute ago, oldmanfan said:
"You have to score points to win in this league". But you insist on taking anything said by this organization and spin it into a negative.
Hyperbolic lunacy.
Where are the results oldmanfan?
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2 minutes ago, Magox said:
Thank you! My God, I was thinking am I the only one who understands that when someone says "at least" that explicitly implies at the very least and does not mean average?
McDermott’s plan to get there is hard work, culture, toughness, respecting the football, smarts, process.
Hopefully talent is one of the things he is looking for.
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30 minutes ago, MPT said:
Read my first post. Scoring a minimum of 21 points a game (and even far exceeding that number in multiple weeks) wouldn't even guarantee a .500 season. So how am I an idiot for wanting to do better than that?
Sorry, I didn't think the idea of scoring enough points to make the playoffs would offend you so much.
You’re an idiot because you actually demand that the bar needs to go up in the organization and across the fandom.
There are some fans who understand this is professional sports where winning is the standard, and other fans will work relentless to manufacture excuses for the newest regime to take over.
I thought your arguments were well presented because they used actual Math (aka FACTS) to them back up.
Stats over Stories.
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Well the recipe in Buffalo is always the same. When you don’t have any results, you sell hype.
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1 minute ago, Alphadawg7 said:
If you think the offense the first 2 years is the offense he "built" then I don't know what to tell you dude. He clearly didnt build year one, and year 2 was it torn down so it can be built back up. Honestly do not know how this is confusing to you.
Lets say you are a contractor who busy a house to live in while you remodel it for a flip. When do you analyze the quality of that contractors overall work?
- When he first closes escrow and moves his stuff into the house?
- During the process of the remodel where he has torn most the things out?
- When the house is actually complete and ready to be sold or lived in?
You are obsessed with stages 1 and 2 with no patience to see stage 3. Got news for you, stages 1 and 2 are always necessary on a remodel just like they are on a rebuild. Sometimes a coach can enter the picture with part of the rebuild started. Like when McVay took over the Rams and it had talent on D, its franchise QB already on the roster, and an elite RB to help his offense. Thats like taking over a house that already had the heavy lifting done and now you just gotta come in and add the amenities. Much quicker flip, much quicker team rebuild.
McD didnt have that luxury. And what he and Beane have done in 2 combined seasons is pretty encouraging. Year 3 (or year 2 for Beane) is now about doing the finishing work to really make the place shine. And if they don't do a good job, they will be on the hot seat. But their body of work is not what they did to get here, its what they do NOW that we are ready for this stage.
He said in his Combine interview yesterday that one of his goals was to be an astute talent evaluator, in addition to teaching the players fundametals, and scheming. He is very much involved in Player Personnel decisions.
It's not confusing to me at all. What is encouraging by the way? A 3-point loss against Jacksonville? That's supposed to go in the Trophy collection, especially after the 6-10 stinker of a season that followed?
Beane and McDermott chose to tear down the building. This is professional sports, not a little league team. Only in Buffalo do you get credit for shipping away talent and talking about multi-year rebuilds. After that puff interview with Daboll, they can't use the Josh Allen is young excuse this season. They have cap space, the culture, the picks, the ownership backing and their hand picked QB.
WHEN can fans expect results? When? Yeah, Buffalo fans have no patience, they haven't sat through 20 years of this crap, listening to 5-year plan after rebuild plan after reboot plan, etc. It's always some excuse about continuity, the right culture, patience. The Jets have a new HC, the Dolphins have a new HC. Why can't the winning start this year?
I'm not here to call for Beane or McDermott to get fired, but why isn't the expectation 10 wins and a solid Playoff birth (maybe, gas,p, a win!) this season? Not a soft goal like "competing for a Wildcard".
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5 hours ago, CaptnCoke11 said:
Just got ***** and giggles.. If they scored 21 points every game last season they would of won one more game..
This is an excellent post and a great point.
McDermott prides himself on every detail, everything has been thought of.
But 21 points in every loss buys the Bills 3 more wins out of 17.
So he says that confidently, but 21 doesn't beat good teams.
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8 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:
So you think he inherited a good offense? Come on, you cant for a second believe that. We had a lethal RUN offense, and that diminished for a NUMBER of reasons. And McD doesn't run the offense anyway.
He is the Head Coach. On the headset, listening to every play call. He has final say on Game Day, the statement in bold isn't going to fly.
The offense has been atrocious under Beane/McDermott thus far.
So okay, we all accept all the excuses from Year 1 and Year 2. Done. Are we going to get some results in Year 3, or is it too much to ask to climb out of the 30's in offense?
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35 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:
Gotcha. To be fair though, does he really have to say "at least"? I mean does anyone really think the target is to be right at 21? He spent the whole time talking about how important scoring is, so just think people are hanging up too much on the 21 and whether or not he said "at least".
Fans who point that out are hung up on the fact that the Bills were 29th in scoring in 2017, 30th in 2018, finished 31st in passing both seasons.
So when he throws out a number and talk about the kind of WR he likes, they are looking for something more expansive that the physical, blue-collar run game in snowy Buffalo answer that he gave when he first got here.
It's more than fair to pick apart the quotes from a 15-17 Head Coach who has had that kind of offensive output thus far.
Buffalo Bills worst draft choices.
in The Stadium Wall Archives
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2004 was the last year of Pat Williams in Buffalo. In 2005, the Bills thought Tim Anderson could take over at DT. The Bills dropped from a Top 5 defense against the run to 31st. And it started a streak of 8 straight years being 22nd or worse against the run, with Chan's years sticking out as 27th - 31st.
But 2006 - 2009 the Bills tried to implement a classic Tampa 2 defense, so it meant 230 pound linebackers like Keith Ellison, and 290 pound DT's like Larry Tripplett.
And so Donte Whitner was the first pick of the Marv Levy regime, not Haloti Ngata.