JM2009

Have to agree.

They went 3-1 against the AFCS in 2015. If TT plays in that jackonville game, probably 4-0. 2015 they very much could have.

Weak deflection attempt. No team would want to be in the AFC East with NE.

Is he fawning over the O Line?

6-10.

Wins are a team stat. And Luck has been a starter since 2012. TT since 2015. And once again. no one is saying that Luck is not better, or that TT is the long term answer. But everything has to be put into perspective for comparisons.

Bills were 3-0 against them with TT at QB. Yes, we could have won it, despite the sarcasm. Luck doesn't have to play Brady and NE twice a year. 8-9 wins can win that division. With NE, it's out of reach. Now this season we will see what Indy does because the Titans look like a solid team. The Bills talent wise are far below that 2015 team.

The Bills could have won that division in 2015. This is the type of answer folks, when one cannot argue successfully and has been proven wrong. No TT supporter has said he is the long term answer. None.

No one who supports him as ever said he is the long term answer.

Last I checked pre season games don't count in the standings. How many guys played well in pre season only to be cut-pre season means nothing.

Like I said, the Bills could have won Luck's division in 2015. TT and the Bills were 3-0 against the division.

And again, if the Bills were in that division they could have won it-esp in 2015. The 2016 Bills were an average team. that's it.And very poorly coached.The Bills with TT went 3-0 against that division in 2015, including a W against Luck and the Colts.

How much time does Brady really have left, though?

First it's 7-8. Second it should have been 8-8. TT played very well that Miami game. Third the running game was even that much better because of TT. He has to be accounted for. Fourth Watkins missed a lot of time in 2016 and played injured....Luck is a better QB, no doubt, but in 2015 Watkins and TT put up very good numbers. The offense and scoring has not been the main problem the last two seasons. The defense and poor game day coaching was...Both QBs need good supporting casts around them. Nothing wrong with that. Most QBs do.

With you, yes it is. A waste of time. TT was and never will be great, but he did a nice job managing the offense he was in the last two years. He was not the main problem with this team. With a gutted team and a different offense, he probably is not the answer at QB now, but to even consider that a fifth round rookie is from mediocre play in meaningless pre season games is a stretch.The true franchise QB is not on this roster.

My post was spot on. Post 171 was spot on too. Sorry.

Bills could have won that division, esp in 2015. Bills beat the Colts and Luck. Even the better QBs need a supporting cast around them- unless of course it's TT-he has to do it all on his own or he is terrible-right?

Because he thinks TT was a terrible QB in those 29 games. Which is nonsense, but stats and facts and a slight winning percentage mean nothing to posters like him. They look for anything. Peterman may indeed turn out pretty good, but there is nothing much to base it on yet. pre season means nothing, and he didn't light it up when he was in anyways. I like him, but he's a fifth round rookie.Huge difference when the bullets fly for real.

Which pretty much shows that pre season means nothing. Esp. tonights game. what a waste of time.

Classic show.

With this O line, he better not play much Thursday.

Average team. Some better defense and coaching could have been a playoff team. But Whaley is still subpar as a drafter.

Well, I just think that the other three losses were to better teams. the Giants game should never have been a loss.

He built an average at best team. He wanted EJ starting, and if he had had his way, the Bills would not be 24-24 under the Pegulas. they would be well under .500. Whaley was not a good GM. Bad drafter. Levy was out coached in that SB.

I don't like dishonest posting, and when proven wrong, it continues in another way.