DFT

Brace yourself... here comes the storm of non-factual passion that only a message board can deliver.... Remember.... you brought this juju on yourself!

Don’t you dare throw facts into this emotionally fueled argument! This is BUFFALO! A drinking town with a football problem!

I’ll eat a healthy dose of crow if/when I’m wrong about Allen. I’d have zero issues taking him at 12. His upside is arguably the second highest of any prospect in this draft (Jackson’s is s tad higher in my opinion). He could become John Elway. My gut tells me he will be Blake Bortles though. I hope I’m wrong though. I like him personally and love his incredible arm. I’ve just seen too many things that tell me trading up for him, is too dangerous.

Allen to me is Bortles with a ridiculous ceiling. He has a once in a generation type arm and shockingly good athleticism. But oh boy, his accuracy is questionable at best. He did show up well with improved mechanics, but that changes considerably when you are facing elite pressure. It would be a gamble that would be hard to rival, in Bills history.

You’re speaking in absolutes that don’t support your premise. I understand the point you are trying to make (the NFL is no longer conducive for running QBs), but this wasn’t a swaying argument or fact statement. The same argument can be made for QBs becoming a lot faster. The rules are definitely swayed against mobile QBs who absorb hits, but I think Jackson is the most elusive QB to come out since Vick. Cam is fast. He can allude some, but his size limits him and he takes incredible punishment. Wilson is a good example of what an elusive QB can do for your team. But he is a far more polished passer. But here’s something to consider... Jackson didn’t run a 40 because he was afraid his time would instantly lead teams to put him in the WR category. His trainers have reported that he has run in the low 4.3 (with rumors of crossing the 4.2 range). That is insane and a totally new dimension for quarterbacks.

Garrap has a cannon, which he displayed rarely in his dunk and dunk offense. He was TRULY developed by the Pats. When a guy causes an internal rift between a head coach and owner, Over whether he should be starting over Tom Brady, you know you have something special. The league has seen just a small sample of what Jimmy can do. Draft him in fantasy. He is about to explode! McCarron... the jury is still out.

Agree 100%! Jackson improved as a player from his Boca days, but he is still vastly underdeveloped as a passer. Rudolph.... I just hope I’m wrong about him. I do. I don’t wish for any prospect to fail. He’s got skills, but I think those skills were amplified by his team, the conference, and the offense. Again, I am wrong more than I am ever right.

Rosen is a bust, but Mason Rudolph you like at 12. Got it. You could very well be right, but if this were Vegas, I would go all in on those odds.

Great kid and super intelligent. I hope he surprises everyone.

Yep. You got me. That was it. I went all in on that one guy. He seemed like such a good guy. He’s taller in person too. Seemed to know his stuff and was very well-rounded about Rosen. Yep.

Define “most people”, since you speak in failed certainty.

Your use of data analytics, sound visceral scouting wisdom and the collage of fact-driven content has all but sold me. Thank you for all you do! Rosen WILL bust!

The funny thing about this draft is how heavy it is with potential day one starters. There are something like 70 projected potential day one starters estimated in this draft. It is a total crapshoot to try and gauge that before they play, but this draft is loaded. I think there are so many teams out there that are excited that this draft is so QB heavy, because it means other fantastic players are going to fall to them. I love Josh Rosen as a fit for Buffalo, but if the brass thinks the better move is to stay at 12 and see who falls, while keeping all of their picks for what is a truly, ridiculously talented draft, then I see the intelligence in that. It will not be popular in Buffalo, but it could be a strong move.

Yikes... I just can’t see the Bills not taking Rosen if he’s there.

I disagree heavily and respectfully. I love Petrino, but my opinion is he left a lot of the development on the table (which is truly unlike him) and took advantage of his QBs natural athleticism. This kid has infinite untapped potential as a QB.

His future will be tied to his first coach. I just hope that he finds his way to a prospect developer and not someone like Doug Marrone.

With truly no focus on mechanical development whatsoever. He was wildly successful with or without his legs. If he develops, he could be the steel of this draft. He absolutely has to go to the right situation though. Fair assessment. You have the Newton’s, Wilson’s and the Vick’s, etc. you could make an argument for Wentz as well. But that’s the great thing about the NFL, is parody. There was a time where the dual-threat QB was the hot button. That time is coming back as more and more focus is placed on athletic abilities of QBs. I don’t see him as a running quarterback as much as I see him as a gifted, under-developed prospect that has elite, elite, ELITE athleticism. Like I said, I’m more wrong than right. My wife wrote a book on it. It’s in the non-fiction section.

That’s an understatement, but yes. He is as gifted as a running QB as there has been, coming out. But he has great intangibles, too. There’s a whole demension to his game that was never developed and I think that’s what has teams like Buffalo and other QB needy teams intrigued. It’s the teams that have QBs that worry me. NE, NO and NYG all are said to be high on him.

Jackson, yes. He has the potential to be something spectacular. He needs to sit behind a teacher though, like McCown or McCarron. Rudolph has a lot to like, but I keep seeing a lower-ceiling Gabbert/Bortles in him. The Steelers like him as a project and I think is well-suited for the second round, but I would never pick him in the first. I’m one more wrong than I am right though, so hopefully I’m wrong about this. To me, no quarterback in this draft has a higher bust potential than Rudolph.

Fair enough. But no two hits to the head are the same. You can have your bell rang pretty good and not have an ounce of TAU, found post-mortem. But seeing him today, knowing him and having known him in school, the deterioration is very real. They just didn’t know then, what we all know now. Also, remember that no condition that is degenerative, has any guarantee when symptoms show. Degeneration of the brain can be as rampant as daily, weekly or beyond, before the symptoms take hold fully.

English... Do You Speak It? - Jules

Same reason Junior Seau or players we now know otherwise, never show signs. Anything relative to concussion-driven encephalopathy is degenerative in nature. The player can be fine from one minute to the next, but the early onset symptoms are very serious. It starts off with extreme paranoia, confusion and a propensity for PTSD like symptoms. That’s just the beginning, too. Once it becomes a fixture, as it has in his life, it becomes much much worse. Some players are too embarrassed to seek treatment, like JR was. He would seek offsite treatment, away from his peers, to reflect an image of strength. I remember Marcellus Wiley being very broken up, because he never knew what was happening. We see players all of the time, At the combine and pro days, young guys, that are displaying the early onset symptoms of CTE. It’s ridiculously tragic.

Agree, mixed with elements of brain damage. It’s a sad story altogether. He’s a great guy and is currently a VP for a company I work closely with. He never has a negative word for Buffalo. Class act, all the way. But he struggles with things today due to that hit. He’s doesn’t strike me as anything but genuine. That hit took away his ability to play. It would be awesome of Bills fans to not begrudge a guy that got devastatingly injured, just because said player showed a propensity to check down, after the injury. But, empathy has never been our strong suit.

Hey, so I re-watched them. I’m still seeing a 7 yard average in College with no weapons. I’m still seeing down-field passing in his first pro games until the hit. Any other games I should watch? I really want to try to see this thing more clearly from your professional perspective, which is clearly based off of facts and not juvenile emotional outbursts.

Sweet response, yo! You’ve gotta call out those guys that try to attack a bloated, emotional response with facts. Those pesky “fact” guys... am I right? Anyway, onto the games you’ve asked me to re-watch. The games where famed analysts all had him as the 3rd best QB in the draft? Those games? Cool. I’ll do that and we’ll reconnect after school let’s you out.