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2 minutes ago, Rob's House said:
The long term effects of that hit wouldn't necessarily be evident the following week. He would likely be operating on adrenaline and emotion in his immediate return. It's also likely that subsequent hits would take a much steeper toll as a result of taking that earlier hit than they otherwise would.
The lingering and cumulative effects would likely hinder him more from a mental aspect as time passed and the effects persisted or worsened.
Obviously we'll never know what might have been but for that hit, but a strong showing the following week is not dispositive evidence that it wasn't a significant factor in his decline.
You hit the proverbial nail! We don’t fully understand TAU and it’s impact on the brain. They’re just beginning to see the correlation between neurological brain mapping and CTE, which otherwise could only be detected post-mortem. His effects, to hear him tell it, was like a bad and confusing hang over that just seemed to get worse and worse. It’s too easy to ridicule the guy as a player, but much harder to see the human side of it. It’s just sad. He’s an immensely likeable guy.
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Just now, Tyrod's friend said:
I just think there's so much value in this draft, especially between picks 12 and 60. I'd strongly consider moving down from 12, accumulating a higher second round pick (and even, use 2019 draft capital to do so). If we could increase our draft picks in the first and second round by one or two picks, we'd be able to totally restock this team.
It is entirely possible that you could be looking at almost an entire starting lineup under the age of 25 in 2018 - several of them, budding stars.
I'm not saying don't move to 2; but if the Browns are in love with the same QB you want or the Giants want to rape you, take a flyer on the likes of a QB no sooner than the 4th round (White) and stock the pond.
If the Browns are in love with the same QB you are, and the Giants want to rape you, just take Falk or similar in the 4th or later.It’s not a terrible idea, to move down, it’s just wildly unpopular, with the QB talent at the forefront and that arguably being the biggest need. If you can’t secure one of the big 4 though and the prototypical LB or WR is gone, definitely trade down. Agreed!
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Just now, Jay_Fixit said:
Taller in person.
Fat and Slow.
It’s pronounced Core-Darrell
Shoes.
I need you to know just how much you complete me.
You, big guy.
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1 minute ago, sven233 said:
Seeing a Bills logo standing right behind Darnold watching him throw..... Hard time seeing who it is, though.....
T. Gray
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3 minutes ago, Jay_Fixit said:
@DFT I’m here, where you at?
Is that you in the stonewashed jorts? I think I see you!!!! It’s me!!!! I’m right here!!!!! TURN AROUND, JAYSOOOOOON!!!!!!!!
”waving from GA”
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Just now, GunnerBill said:
I'm guessing all your extra "day 1 starters" are at WR and DB then. I would be shocked if this is a good WR group. I think it sucks. I think the DB group (beyond Fitzpatrick and James) is full of guys who either only transition as nickel corners at the NFL level or who are very precise scheme fits.
Most of my day 1 are on defense, but I’m speaking collectively about what I’m hearing from others. The consensus seems to be that this is an outstanding draft, especially for teams needing Defense, QB or RB. There’s always going to be disagreement, but should be a good one!
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Just now, GunnerBill said:
Fair enough. Where do you think the great players are? My personal view is that it is a really good linebacker class, a really good running back class and good interior DL and QB classes.
After that - I think it is an average interior OL class; a below average DB class; a poor OT class; a bad class of pass rushers; and a woeful WR class.
I think you have it well-pegged outside of WR being woeful. I also think this is a very solid TE group. The DL group is just unreal; best I’ve seen in years. This is not the draft to draft one of these guys so high because the difference in them is so negligible. I’m high on this DB class, maybe more than most because of how many quality CB/S transitional players will be available. RB is similar to APs draft. 2-3 elite guys and 10-13 solid potential starters. I think this WR class is going to shock people. I really do!!!
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1 minute ago, GunnerBill said:
Not on my board there isn't. I decidedly do not think this is a great draft class.
Interesting. I’m at the very opposite end of the spectrum. That’s what makes the draft special!
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Just now, jmc12290 said:
Houston was so nice Brock Osweiler. NYC LOVED Geno. Chicago couldn't wait to be nicer to Glennon and Grossman,
Quick... name a place that was nice to any of the people you listed....
Being mean and being a Bills fan are two very different things. Buffalo has a league-wide reputation for being a QB purgatory. The fan base is passionate beyond reason and if further proof is needed, feel free to re-read this thread particularly and see how some fans reacted to Trent Edwards currently suffering from Brain Damage he tried to play through. It’s a cruel world we live in, but it’s just a little crueler, if you’re a young QB, coming to Buffalo. Don’t agree? No worries. But what you’re trying to argue doesn’t, in my mind, follow anything I’ve stated as the thread title would indicate as our topic.
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Just now, Wayne Arnold said:
He was an elite college quarterback. Much more so than Rosen, Darnold, and Allen. You can't be an elite college quarterback without elite traits.
Boy, you sure can, but I get your point.
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5 minutes ago, starrymessenger said:
Interesting. Thanks. One of the criticisms I have come across more than once in evaluations of Allen's mechanics is that he does not rotate his hips properly and so actually sacrifices optimal velocity ie its all arm strength. I dont myself see this when he gets to set up and fire from a clean pocket, which is logically where you'd expect to notice it, but it may be true.
Because he has bad hip differentiation, it’s his accuracy that take a hit. He doesn’t drive the ball with anything but his ridiculous shoulder power, which just can’t get it done in the pros. He drove his hip much better at the combine and afterwards, but again, no rush. The knock on a guy that’s always gotten buy from his pure talent, is it’s hard for them to develop beyond what they are accustomed to, when placed into a pressurized situation. It’s instinctgul and becomes cumulative once they start getting hit. Allen is that guy, to me.
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Just now, HappyDays said:
That's fair, but every QB in the 1st round will need some development. Darnold needs to work on his throwing motion and interceptions, Rosen on not taking big hits in the pocket, Mayfield on his footwork, etc. With Daboll here Jackson should be able to fit into our offensive system. I've come around to seeing him as my favorite QB in the 1st round. Especially since we don't need to give up anything to get him.
Agreed! Gives the organization a chance to see what they have in their other two guys, while Jackson develops.
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Just now, dollars 2 donuts said:
Man, DFT, what were you thinking when they were 5-1...because I was pretty damn fired up.
Oh, I was too! I didn’t know then what I know now, about CTE. I really thought the Bills had found their guy. But then everything crumbled, he was vilified and the divorce was ugly. Pretty much status quo for a lot of the guys that come here to play QB. It’s tough. That’s why as much as I love Rosen and see the fit, the QB that the Bills take has to have the mental toughness like Kelly.
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3 minutes ago, Starr Almighty said:
https://www.si.com/nfl/2018/03/21/draft-top-five-picks-mmqb-mailbag-peter-king
Peter King also has the Bills moving up to 2 and taking Allen.?♂️?♂️?♂️
Yep, Allen is the name being floated. I don’t buy it though. I think it’s Rosen or Jackson. Rosen if they can trade and Jackson if they can’t. I’m probably wrong though.
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4 minutes ago, jmc12290 said:
Yes, the fans in NYC, Chicago, Houston etc. all love their sucky QB's. They throw parades.
It's okay. I'll still respect your football opinion.
Yep. You said it. NYC chose Manning over Mac. Houston loves their promising rookie and the Bears fans are eager to see Mitch’s development from his rookie year. Good on you for labeling them as “sucky”. You are absolutely exempt from that whole “brutal fan” thing. Yep.
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2 minutes ago, starrymessenger said:
Yeah I really don't understand this velocity thing very well. To me Jackson's tape shows plenty enuf arm strength ( and occasionally even some real arm talent). As for Peterman I'm not yet ready to say he has a noodle arm. Need to see more. This year in TC he needs to show that he is starting to acclimate to nfl gamespeed. If that does'nt happen then yeah he's probably just another 5th round QB so no surprise there.
It’s a very questionable test that scouts have asked to be removed. It’s radar driven and does not account for in-game velocity, which is why “timing” QBs like Goff can show much better than effortless throwers like Jackson. 12 gauge probably has the NFLs strongest arm and he opted out of the drill, entirely. He listed an injury, but this is not an uncommon thing for QBs to hate. It’s just so inaccurate. I wish they would do something similar to the old Pro Bowl (who can throw from their knees best) test. A rhythm passer knows when to swing his hip for addded velocity (Brees, Brady.). An effortless thrower... not so much. True arm strength can only be measured without hip inclusion in my opinion
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Just now, dollars 2 donuts said:
I hear ya, DFT. BTW, when I saw "blame", what I mean is that they curse the Bills for not nurturing or developing Edwards the right way.
I personally think that is a little over the top, supported by the fact that he didn't succeed anywhere else. However, I do at least recognize what they
are saying.
I hear ya. The hardest part about Trent Edwards is hearing him describe how much he loved Buffalo. He came back early from the concussion, even though he knew better and the fans just destroyed him. I know there are a lot of perspectives out there and each needs to be respected (unless they are just emotional tirades), but his situation today, sucks. I wish him well.
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6 minutes ago, dollars 2 donuts said:
RK, it is a good point.
One other thing, really tangential to this, is there are many Stanford alum who blame the Bills for generally wrecking Edwards and that we wasted the potential he had.
The fans. I wish our fan base could hear how terrified young QB prospects are to come here. We have a propensity to be just brutal.
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2 minutes ago, suorangefan4 said:
The same people who say he doesn't have enough arm strength are the same people that never say anything about Deshaun Watson or Lamar Jackson's terrible arm strength.
Throwing velocity
Nathan Peterman: 53 MPH
Deshaun Watson: 49 MPH
Lamar Jackson: 49 MPH
I think he’s fine, arm strength wise. But I don’t think he has even close to Jackson’s velocity. I don’t think this is the best representation.
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Just now, HappyDays said:
Actually Petrino helped him develop his passing game quite a bit. Here's a really good article about it:
Love the article, but we’ll Agree to disagree. My opinion is he developed him to fit his program. He left a lot on the table for future development. We haven’t even scratched the surface of what this kid can do. I mean no disrespect to Coach P, either, because it’s so easy for me to critique the job he did, from my office, without putting in any effort outside of a key stroke, but I would have loved to see him a bit more developed, mechanically. We’ll see though. I’m very high on him as a developmental project.
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8 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said:
You can throw the Saints' game in the trash. They simply didn't care up 47-3. I wish he showed up in San Diego instead of LA
He was okay against the Colts (5-10 for 57 yards) and he did make a couple of nice throws to Benjamin.
Why do you think so?
Is that why they are traversing the country to prod, poke, and examine every QB in the 2018 draft while positioning themselves to select one in the 1st round?
Yes. Yes it is. You said it yourself.
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Just now, Mikey152 said:
That's kind of my point...it's lazy journalism based mostly on numbers, then gets repeated in "scouting reports" and on message boards.
When you actually watch him throw a football in games and in shorts, it's clear he is talented. Maybe he isn't Drew Brees accurate, but he's not Blake Bortles bad, either.
I want to clarify... my opinion is he’ll be closer to Bortles than Elway, but my hope is he’s Wentz. I’ve watched ridiculous amounts of him. His mechanics are going to take serious time to develop. He’ll be annihilated by this fan base, too. I don’t think Buffalo is his best fit. Denver... all day! NYJ, yikes! But I like him, I just would not trade up to pick him. He scares me more than any other prospect, just because he’s projected in the top 5.
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Just now, horned dogs said:
No Juju. There is no factual basis other than he passed for more yards in college...which is not a reason.
Oh I agree totally! I’m interested in the reasoning that’s presented, myself, but I’m also a realist in that I kinda know where people will take this.
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Yes there is. And it’s a shame, because he’s actually a talented football player that they seem very high on.
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No chance of Cle going a different way, outside of a massive trade. Just my opinion, but he’s Andrew Luck to them and rightfully so.