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  1. Just now, dave mcbride said:

     False, simply put, at least for that season, which was first one in which he was named the starter. In the first four games of that season, he threw it 120 times for 949 yards. That's 7.9 ypa, which is well above league average. It is amazing to me that given what we know now, people discount the effects of that hit, which is one of the worst I've ever seen delivered to a qb.

     

    Just now, dave mcbride said:

     False, simply put, at least for that season, which was first one in which he was named the starter. In the first four games of that season, he threw it 120 times for 949 yards. That's 7.9 ypa, which is well above league average. It is amazing to me that given what we know now, people discount the effects of that hit, which is one of the worst I've ever seen delivered to a qb.

    Don’t you dare throw facts into this emotionally fueled argument!  This is BUFFALO!  A drinking town with a football problem!  

  2. Just now, Mikey152 said:

     

    Ah yes, because NFL history is littered with smart 6'5 230 lb quarterbacks who run 4.8 40s and can throw the football 80+ yards.

     

    This is my whole point.  Josh Allen himself has said he is more accurate than his stats show, and when given an opportunity to prove it on a level playing field he did.  But the narrative remains.  We will see, I guess.  It's not like you will have to eat crow when you are wrong. 

    I’ll eat a healthy dose of crow if/when I’m wrong about Allen.  I’d have zero issues taking him at 12.  His upside is arguably the second highest of any prospect in this draft (Jackson’s is s tad higher in my opinion).  He could become John Elway.  My gut tells me he will be Blake Bortles though.  I hope I’m wrong though.  I like him personally and love his incredible arm.  I’ve just seen too many things that tell me trading up for him, is too dangerous.

  3. 3 minutes ago, Mikey152 said:

     

    Do people ever even think for themselves anymore, or is it just parroting things they hear?

     

    Josh Allen is nothing like EJ Manuel.  EJ had a super weird delivery and just looked awkward throwing a football.  It was clear to see he wasn't a natural passer.  You should be comparing him to guys like Roethlisberger, Stafford and Flacco...because those are the guys he is most like.

    Allen to me is Bortles with a ridiculous ceiling.   He has a once in a generation type arm and shockingly good athleticism. But oh boy, his accuracy is questionable at best. He did show up well with improved mechanics, but that changes considerably when you are facing elite pressure.  It would be a gamble that would be hard to rival, in Bills history.  

  4. 10 minutes ago, greeneblitz said:

    Defenses are a lot faster and more complex today and modern rules made it much more advantageous to be a pocket passer. Ever running QB is forced to try and be a pocket passer as defenses always catch up after a year or so of tape.

    You’re speaking in absolutes that don’t support your premise.  I understand the point you are trying to make (the NFL is no longer conducive for running QBs), but this wasn’t a swaying argument or fact statement.  The same argument can be made for QBs becoming a lot faster.  The rules are definitely swayed against mobile QBs who absorb hits, but I think Jackson is the most elusive QB to come out since Vick.  Cam is fast.  He can allude some, but his size limits him and he takes incredible punishment.  Wilson is a good example of what an elusive QB can do for your team.   But he is a far more polished passer.  But here’s something to consider...  Jackson didn’t run a 40  because he was afraid his time would instantly lead teams to put him in the WR category. His trainers have reported that he has run in the low 4.3 (with rumors of crossing the 4.2 range).  That is insane and a totally new dimension for quarterbacks. 

  5. Just now, elltrain22 said:

    Call me crazy, but convince why he isn't just as good as Garrappolo?? Accurate passer, intelligent, potential, and knows how to win football games. 

    Garrap has a cannon, which he displayed rarely in his dunk and dunk offense.  He was TRULY developed by the Pats.  When a guy causes an internal rift between a head coach and owner, Over whether he should be starting over Tom Brady, you know you have something special. The league has seen just a small sample of what Jimmy can do. Draft him in fantasy. He is about to explode!  McCarron...  the jury is still out.

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  6. 1 minute ago, Buffalo Bills Detective said:

    Rudolph played in a very, very, VERY weak conference, from a defensive standpoint, and was used to dominating against horrible defensive backs.  As a result, his receivers (e.g. James Washington) were able to freely run wide open most of the time.  He also comes from a college system that has NEVER produced a franchise NFL QB.

    If Jackson "improved dramatically as a passer" then why does have a sub 60% completion percentage?

    Agree 100%!  Jackson improved as a player from his Boca days, but he is still vastly underdeveloped as a passer.   Rudolph....   I just hope I’m wrong about him.  I do.   I don’t wish for any prospect to fail. He’s got skills, but I think those skills were amplified by his team, the conference, and the offense. Again, I am wrong more than I am ever right. 

  7. 1 minute ago, Tatonka68 said:

    12. Mason Rudolph QB Oklahoma St 

    22.  Harrison Phillips DT Stanford

    53. James Washington WR Oklahoma St

    56. Josey Jewell ILB Iowa

    65. Bradley Boseman C Alabama

    96. Darius Leonard OLB South Carolina St

    121. Cedrick Wilson WR Boise State

    166.  Bo Scarbrough RB Alabama

    187. Marquis Hayes Edge Ole Miss

    Rosen is a bust, but Mason Rudolph you like at 12.  Got it.   You could very well be right, but if this were Vegas, I would go all in on those odds. 

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  8. 1 minute ago, greeneblitz said:

    Why cause one guy one time on the internet said the Bills had interest? Rosen is terrible and certainly doesn't fit what the Bills are trying to build.

    Yep.  You got me.  That was it.  I went all in on that one guy.   He seemed like such a good guy. He’s taller in person too. Seemed to know his stuff and was very well-rounded about Rosen. Yep. 

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  9. Just now, aristocrat said:

     

    i agree. it's funny. russell wilson would not have been successful imo on any other team than the seahawks. he has developed into a great qb. they had almost no offense the first few years with him. throwing for just over 3000 yards, running a lot but that defense allowed 14 points.   i hope we get the guy who will develop and we can put the team around him to develop.  That's why I am so hesitant to give up so many picks for a guy cause you can end up turning him into david carr.  the qbs needs to come into the right situation. 

    The funny thing  about this draft is how heavy it is with potential day one starters. There are something like 70 projected potential day one starters estimated in this draft. It is a total crapshoot to try and gauge that before they play, but this draft is loaded. I think there are so many teams out there that are excited that this draft is so QB heavy, because it means other fantastic players are going to fall to them. I love Josh Rosen as a fit for Buffalo, but if the brass thinks the better move is to stay at 12  and see who falls, while keeping all of their picks for what is a truly, ridiculously talented draft, then I see the intelligence in that. It will not be popular in Buffalo, but it could be a strong move. 

  10. 3 minutes ago, jr1 said:

    Lamar had Petrino mentoring him. He's more ready than a lot of people think

    I disagree heavily and respectfully.  I love Petrino, but  my opinion is he left a lot of the development on the table (which is truly unlike him) and took advantage of his QBs natural athleticism. This kid has infinite untapped potential as a QB. 

  11. Just now, aristocrat said:

     

    yup. i think he has to be with the right creative coach who will use him properly.  It's funny...people often say foles and other qbs will only be successful in certain systems. my immediate thought is...ok lets run that system.  

    His future will be tied to his first coach.  I just hope that  he finds his way to a prospect developer and not someone like Doug Marrone. 

  12. 7 minutes ago, aristocrat said:

     

    he also threw for decent amount of yards in college. look at his throwing stats. they exist 

    With truly no focus on mechanical development whatsoever.  He was wildly successful with or without his legs.   If he develops,  he could be the steel of this draft. He absolutely has to go to the right situation though. 

    6 minutes ago, Buffalo Bills Detective said:

    But, how many running QBs have led their teams to Super Bowl wins in the modern era?

    Fair assessment.  You have the Newton’s, Wilson’s and the Vick’s, etc.  you could make an argument for Wentz as well.   But that’s the great thing about the NFL, is parody.  There was a time where the dual-threat QB was the hot button.  That time is coming back as more and more focus is placed on athletic abilities of QBs.  I don’t see him as a running quarterback as much as I see him as a gifted, under-developed prospect that has elite, elite, ELITE athleticism.  Like I said, I’m more wrong than right.  My wife wrote a book on it.  It’s in the non-fiction section.   

  13. Just now, Buffalo Bills Detective said:

    What makes him spectacular though?  Because he can run?

    That’s an understatement, but yes.  He is as gifted as a running QB as there has been, coming out.  But he has great intangibles, too.  There’s a whole demension to his game that was never developed and I think that’s what has teams like Buffalo and other QB needy teams intrigued.  It’s the teams that have QBs that worry me.  NE, NO and NYG all are said to be high on him.  

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  14. Jackson, yes.  He has the potential to be something spectacular.   He needs to sit behind a teacher though, like McCown or McCarron.  Rudolph has a lot to like, but I keep seeing a lower-ceiling Gabbert/Bortles in him.   The Steelers like him as a project  and I think is well-suited for the second round, but I would never pick him in the first. I’m one more wrong than I am right though, so hopefully I’m wrong about this. To me, no quarterback in this draft has a higher bust potential than Rudolph. 

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  15. 5 minutes ago, thebandit27 said:

     

    I don't disagree with any of your comments about Seau or the unfortunate situation of guys "hiding" concussions.

     

    I also don't think that Trent Edwards' concussion was some kind of unicorn concussion that caused a guy's career to fold up like a lawn chair--plenty of other guys have taken much worse hits and not seen that kind of decline.

    Fair enough.  But no two hits to the head are the same.   You can have your bell rang pretty good and not have an ounce of TAU, found post-mortem.  But seeing him today, knowing him and having known him in school, the deterioration is very real.  They just didn’t know then, what we all know now.   

     

    Also, remember that no condition that is degenerative, has any guarantee when symptoms show.  Degeneration of the brain can be as rampant as daily, weekly or beyond, before the symptoms take hold fully.

  16. 13 minutes ago, thebandit27 said:

    If it was the hit, then why did he play his best game as a professional the following game against the Chargers?

     

    For me, his decline was simple: defensive coordinators took away the quick interior routes that he lived off of and he couldn't challenge teams down the field.

    Same reason Junior Seau or players we now know otherwise, never show signs.  Anything relative to concussion-driven encephalopathy is degenerative in nature.    The player can be fine from one minute to the next, but the early onset symptoms are very serious. It starts off with extreme paranoia, confusion and a propensity for PTSD like symptoms.   That’s just the beginning, too.   Once it becomes a fixture, as it has in his life, it becomes much much worse. Some players are too embarrassed to seek treatment, like JR was. He would seek offsite treatment, away from his peers, to reflect an image of strength. I remember Marcellus Wiley being very broken up, because he never knew what was happening. We see players all of the time, At the combine and pro days, young guys, that are displaying the early onset symptoms of CTE.  It’s ridiculously tragic.

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  17. 6 minutes ago, Tenhigh said:

    I felt like it was PTSD. 

    Agree, mixed with elements of brain damage.  It’s a sad story altogether.  He’s a great guy and is currently a VP for a company I work closely with.  He never has a negative word for Buffalo.  Class act, all the way.  But he struggles with things today due to that hit.   He’s doesn’t strike me as anything but genuine.   That hit took away his ability to play.  It would be awesome of Bills fans to not begrudge a guy that got devastatingly injured, just because said player showed a propensity to check down, after the injury.  But, empathy has never been our strong suit.

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  18. 1 minute ago, DFT said:

    Sweet response, yo!  You’ve gotta call out those guys that try to attack a bloated, emotional response with facts.   Those pesky “fact” guys...   am I right?   Anyway, onto the games you’ve asked me to re-watch.  The games where famed analysts all had him as the 3rd best QB in the draft?  Those games?   Cool.  I’ll do that and we’ll reconnect after school let’s you out.   

     

    7 minutes ago, OJABBA said:

     

    "Waaaahhhh! I loved Trenty, and he was my hero when I was 12!"

     

    NO. OBVIOUSLY, WATCH THE GAMES BEFORE THE HIT.

    HE SUCKED.

    Hey, so I re-watched them.   I’m still seeing a 7 yard average in College with no weapons.  I’m still seeing down-field passing in his first pro games until the hit.   Any other games I should watch?  I really want to try to see this thing more clearly from your professional perspective, which is clearly based off of facts and not juvenile emotional outbursts.   

  19. Just now, OJABBA said:

     

    Waaaahhhh! I loved Trenty, and he was my hero when I was 12!"

     

    NO. OBVIOULSY, WATCH THE GAMES BEFORE THE HIT.

    HE SUCKED.

    Sweet response, yo!  You’ve gotta call out those guys that try to attack a bloated, emotional response with facts.   Those pesky “fact” guys...   am I right?   Anyway, onto the games you’ve asked me to re-watch.  The games where famed analysts all had him as the 3rd best QB in the draft?  Those games?   Cool.  I’ll do that and we’ll reconnect after school let’s you out.   

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