Bray Wyatt
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19 minutes ago, Mikie2times said:
Israel has been fighting, based on your definition of fighting, since 1948. Never in that time have the defied the United States in having a direct military operation in Iran. What don't you understand about that?
And what has changed since then? They were getting too close to actually having the ability to wipe Israel off the face of the earth with their nuclear program.
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3 minutes ago, Mikie2times said:
You're painting this like the US has no control over what Israel does. Yet for the entire existence of Israel, despite wanting to attack Iran for most of it, they didn't do so until now. All I had to do was use nearly 80 years of Israeli and Iran interactions to come to such a conclusion.
So lets throw in your version for consideration, it still results in Israel thinking Trump is a weak, dumb, or both. No other outcomes. Your version means Israel held the strongest military power in the world hostage and forced our hand. Then even got us to get involved. That would be even more of a schooling than the version I laid out.
Logic isn't your friend, friend.
We already went over the fact that Israel started attacking Iran under BIden. As others have pointed out, "Syria collapses, as the Israelis use that to destroy existing air defenses and create a corridor through there to Iran." That is the reason, not that Trump is weak or dumb.
They didnt hold us hostage, they are their own entity and as history shows, Israel always strikes first in that region. They thought we were so weak and/or dumb that they needed our bombs to hit the facilities, how does that make any sense? And if we were so weak, why delay the attack? If we are so dumb why would they want our help?
That doesnt make any sense.
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Just now, Mikie2times said:
It's right in front of your face. Are we supposed to believe that Netanyahu was not aware of this 60 day deal and that it was just a coincidence Israel attacked on day 61 with an operation that clearly took extensive time and planning? Perhaps long enough to date back to Trumps first term? Further do you think Netanyahu was not aware at how limited Iran would be in negotiating with Trump/US on this subject? It was a simple check mate from a smarter leader. Hell, he even pulled us into it.
Of course he was aware, he probably had the attacked already planned, but gave their biggest ally a chance to negotiate peace and honored the deadline he gave. It not some conspiracy or well played thing he did. The attack was probably going to happen and Trump got wind and told him to hold off and let him try and get them to come to the table and avoid all of this. Just as likely a scenario as the one you gave.
Iran didnt deal so the attack went ahead that was going to happen anyway. Trump probably used the missiles to help save Israeli and others lives, as they would have had to go in on the ground to take them facilities out and it would have cost everyone a lot.
See I can do that game too, but the fact is we do not know what happened.
But I get it, you have already decided orange man bad based on previous admittances on your part, so you predictably chose the path that fits that lens.
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23 minutes ago, Mikie2times said:
Since its founding in 1948, Israel has faced near continuous hostility or tension with neighbors and regional actors, including multiple wars and ongoing threats from non-state groups like Hezbollah and Hamas. Israel and Iran have never engaged in a direct, multi-week military conflict. Despite years of mutual hostility, Israel and Iran have mostly fought through proxies (e.g., Hezbollah in Lebanon, militias in Syria). As of now, no prolonged, direct, declared war has occurred between the two.
Previous U.S. administrations blocked or restrained Israeli military action against Iran. The U.S. has consistently pressured Israel to avoid attacking Iran directly, especially when it might trigger regional war or undermine diplomatic efforts like the JCPOA. Netanyahu has long pushed for action against Iran’s nuclear program for over a decade, Netanyahu has publicly called Iran the greatest threat to Israel and advocated military preparedness.
Netanyahu played Trump and will do so again. He knew to a certainty Iran wouldn't negotiate out of this. He leveraged Trumps fake powers of negotiation to get a US approved military action against Iran. Something he wasn't able to do before. Then for the cherry he pulled in the US military to do his bidding. Now we celebrate Trump? Please. This is the story teller Trump doing what he does. He got played by a more intelligent regime plan and simple.
I am not celebrating anything. And this is taking what you seen happen and making up the reasons for it. You do not know any of this.
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2 minutes ago, Mikie2times said:
Things started escalating when the conflict between Palestine and Israel started.
We are going back to the end of WW2 now? Or did you mean even the late 19th century?
And I am sure you understand that the circumstances ebb and flow and not everything is at a max conflict state. For if not, then your entire premise is flawed and it is not Trumps fault for certain and it would date back to the original conflict point.
If you agree that things ebb and flow, this particular curve started prior to Trumps term which I believe has been shown. So why didnt this happen under Joe? The answer is it started under him, so it did.
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5 minutes ago, Mikie2times said:
What did I say that you would disagree with?
In this direct of way? No it doesn't. Nothing you posted here involves a direct military effort against Iran as we saw the last two weeks.
If you look at the timeline it would seem that things began escalating towards this inevitability prior to Trump. Notice the ramp up of actions in 2024
Also the last post in 2024: Oct 26: Israel openly attacks Iran for the first time, striking air defence systems and sites associated with its missile programme. -
2020
Alleged Israeli attacks against Iran's nuclear program stepped up significantly after the disintegration of the 2015 nuclear deal meant to keep Iran from developing nuclear weapons.
July: A mysterious explosion tears apart a centrifuge production plant at Iran's Natanz nuclear enrichment facility. Iran blames the attack on Israel.
November: A top Iranian military nuclear scientist, Mohsen Fakhrizadeh, is killed by a remote-controlled machine gun while travelling in a car outside Tehran. A top Iranian security official accuses Israel of using electronic devices to remotely kill the scientist, who founded Iran's military nuclear programme in the 2000s.
2021
April 11: An attack targets Iran's underground nuclear facility in Natanz. Iran blames Israel, which does not claim responsibility, but Israeli media widely reports that the government orchestrated a cyberattack that caused a blackout at the facility.
April 16: Iran begins enriching uranium up to 60, its highest purity ever and a technical step from weapons-grade levels of 90 per cent.
2022
June: Iran accuses Israel of poisoning two nuclear scientists in different cities within three days of each other, though the circumstances remain unclear.
2023
On October 7, 2023, Hamas militants from the Gaza Strip stormed into Israel, killing 1200 people and taking 250 hostage, beginning the most intense war between Israel and Hamas. Iran, which has armed Hamas, offers support to the militants.
2024
Feb 14: An Israeli sabotage attack led to multiple explosions on an Iranian natural gas pipeline running from Iran's western Chaharmahal and Bakhtiari province to cities on the Caspian Sea.
April 1: An Israeli airstrike demolished Iran's Consulate in Damascus, Syria, killing 16 people, including two Iranian generals.
April 14: Iran launched an unprecedented missile and drone attack on Israel, firing over 300 missiles and attack drones in response to the Israeli airstrike in Damascus. Working with a US-led international coalition, Israel intercepts much of the incoming fire.
April 19: A suspected Israeli strike hit an air defence system near an airport in Isfahan, Iran.
July 31: Hamas leader Ismail Haniyeh is assassinated by an apparent Israeli airstrike during a visit to Tehran. Israel had pledged to kill Haniyeh and other Hamas leaders over the Oct 7 attack.
Sept 27: Israeli airstrike killed Hezbollah leader Hassan Nasrallah. Formed by Iranian Revolutionary Guard members who went to Lebanon in 1982 to fight invading Israeli forces, Hezbollah was the first group that Iran backed and used as a way to export its brand of political Islam.
Oct 1: Iran launched its second direct attack on Israel, though a US-led coalition and Israel shot down most of the missiles.
Oct 16: Israel killed Hamas leader Yahya Sinwar in the Gaza Strip.
Oct 26: Israel openly attacks Iran for the first time, striking air defence systems and sites associated with its missile programme.
All during Biden's term. So to say Israel is only attacking Iran now because Trump is in power seems misplaced
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5 minutes ago, Mikie2times said:
Trump Tells Netanyahu he will negotiate with Iran, to wait 60 days and if he doesn't get anywhere, then he can proceed.
Trumps own intelligence agency tells him Iran is no closer to a bomb
Despite no evidence that Iran was closer to a bomb, Netanyahu finally attacks Iran (under the pretenses that a bomb was "imminent" and with the approval of Trumps based on his failed negotiations).
Israel kills a bunch of Iranian military leaders and strikes at nuclear facilities.
Trump joins Netanyahu hoping a direct strike on Nuclear facilities will appease Israel. He simultaneously provides a path for Khamenei to retain leadership in Iran.
Since it is entirely possible Iranians removed nuclear research and enrichment materials prior to the srike, we really can' t be sure if Iran has completely removed nuclear capability. But we say they have. Which again is an impossible statement to make, but who cares.
So in summary, Trumps failed negotiations empowered Netanyahu to start a conflict under pretenses that were not agreed upon by the intelligence community. Which then pulled the US into this conflict. Now we should celebrate Trump for getting both sides to stop?
Did I miss anything?
This post has a lot of supposition to reach a conclusion you pre-determined imo-
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Is this the new "the Bills are moving to...." ?
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Also I think Benny the Butcher should be on there
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18 hours ago, T master said:
I heard just today there are 3 protests being planned for this weekend in and around the Nashville TN area !!! I hope they nip it in the bud quickly ...
Murfreesboro is having one too
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2 minutes ago, BillsFanNC said:
Ahhhh and here we go. See, when I do engage with dishonest leftists like you it take less than a handful of posts until we get to the same tired deflection, Bullstojan style.
Great job at quickly abandoning the honest debate that you claim to crave.
I do very well thank you very much and I'd bet a significant portion of my yearly income that my corresponding tax liability dwarfs yours.
He does not want an honest debate when his whole premise is flawed in the well how does it impact me trope. Lots of things he says he is for dont impact him directly. -
11 minutes ago, Mikie2times said:
I don't call them illegal alien foreign invaders because that's not what I call them. You can call them whatever you want.
I take it from your response they haven't directly impacted you either? I can also post a story about a shark attack or a plane crash. Should we no longer swim in the ocean or fly?
It's statistically proven immigrants commit crimes at lower rates than US born citiczens. https://www.nber.org/papers/w31440
I'm not debating they should be here. I'm laughing at you over your outrage for something that you will never feel.
As you say you are someone that supports LGBTQ and abortion stuff, this certainly seems an interesting position to take
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No love for Every Time I Die?
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1 minute ago, mushypeaches said:
Benford is never going to get the hype that the more highly-drafted and/or run their mouth CB's in the league.
Plus, he doesn't get targeted like crazy either, so he's not in position for a ton of INT's
I look at Christian Benford as the Thomas Smith of our generation - flies under the radar, not spectacular, but always super solid
I just find it interesting that per their own stats and rankings he is higher than what they chose to rate him.
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So over the last two years Benford's PF grade is 4th, his advanced coverage grade is 6th so they rank him 8th?
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He has the same bday as my dad! He turns 80 today!
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41 minutes ago, AlBUNDY4TDS said:
I think homelander is on a bender......jfc
Thats how you know good things must be happening
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Your bills predictions were excellent!!
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2 minutes ago, Thrivefourfive said:
Deion thought (hopefully he’s figured it out now) that he’d get a call halfway through the season to HC in the NFL. Guarantee it. The only reason he coached was to get his kid drafted in the top ten. That is it my friend. It’s clear as day.I actually think he likes coaching in college. I would think he thought he'd get the FSU job
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1 minute ago, Low Positive said:
OBJ's dad got him traded with a couple of tweets that shook up the locker room. Imagine what Deion could do with a 2-minute Zoom on The Get Up with Steven A?
So it sounds like that problem isn't unique to Shedeur then no? Nfl offices can deal with the outside noise, the problem is how the player himself dealt with the process
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Deion will be running a div 1 football program, how is he going to do that AND helicopter parent? I don't think that's the reason he isn't getting drafted. They basically tanked his value by saying he won't go to certain teams, then apparently coupled that with being horrible in interviews.
That severely limits his market and demand.
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Savion was already drafted
Felton just went now too
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1 hour ago, Doc Brown said:
With the Bills rotating as much as they do on the d-line I'm more excited about a CB.
Ah didnt know it was bills specific, i just thought in general. In reference to the bills I def agree
UPDATE: ISRAEL v IRAN - Ceasefire reached?
in Politics, Polls, and Pundits
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Look I am skeptical of the intelligence too. I dont forget and we cannot know that for certain until later. But as you are pointing out Israel's actions are certainly out of character, which to me lends credence to that they at least believe it to be true.