Rockpile233
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1 minute ago, Big Blitz said:
He was in the school for over an hour.
Wtf....and why was he let in
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11 hours ago, Chef Jim said:
Fair enough on the speed bumps but age restriction is likely going to accomplish the least of all the other options.Regarding the second part. Not sure about privacy rights. Posts on FB/Twitter/Instagram/Here are public domain no?
Second part was sarcasm, yes that would be free game. You may not be far off the mark with identifying certain high risk individuals.
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3 minutes ago, Chef Jim said:
NOTHING would be solved!! They most likely would have figured a way to carry out their acts regardless of age restrictions.
It's the red flag ***** we have to figure out. TikTok's algorithm can nail the kind of content I'd love but we can't put two and two together on social media posts. ***** the disinformation/censorship bull####. Twitter, Facebook, Instagram etc. should be involved in figuring out how to see these red flags and get them reported to the FBI.
I will have to respectfully disagree. If you think these two Ill teenagers could have successfully built some sort of bomb or killed that many people with a hunting knife or stolen a gun….well even then you at least made it a little harder and threw up some speedbump without burdening any other gun owners.
I agree with you on the rest, but you’re venturing into privacy rights now. Slippery slope!
2 minutes ago, DRsGhost said:Oh I'm not saying that they're worse. Well some of them are, the commies and all.
But by and large dems and Republicans suck equally on this issue, just like most others.
I merely showed evidence of one of the guys offering no solutions who eschewed the mental health angle as well. Happens to be a Democrat.
They all suck.
I have long accepted that if you are anywhere in politics you are likely a huge POS.
What saddens me is how many of us regular people refuse to honestly engage the subject. Mental health is a part as is gun access as are countless other things.
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1 minute ago, Chef Jim said:
Yeah because once someone hits the age of 21....poof!! Violent tendencies just disappear. It's amazing.
Raising the age will solve nothing....NOTHING!!!
There is a lot of brain science on maturity extending well past teenage years more to the 25 range.
I’m not trying to solve violent tendencies in adults, but to say nothing would be solved? What about Buffalo and Texas in the past two weeks?
1 minute ago, DRsGhost said:You mean just like Chris Murphy?
Compromise on what exactly? Murphy has never once offered a single proposal that would have deterred any of these mass shooters. Literally minutes after his routine, Murphy was asked about the obvious mental illness prevalent among most of these shooters. “Spare me the bullsh-t about mental illness,” the Connecticut senator responded, “ripping” the GOP. “We don’t have any more mental illness than any other country in the world.” That’s how serious he is about compromise.
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24 minutes ago, DRsGhost said:
One suspects liberals who take to the internet to accuse Republicans of abetting infanticide aren’t really interested in compromise. Unlike Ocasio-Cortez, who champions laws that empower people to terminate the lives of the viable unborn, I don’t know of a single Republican who supports the gunning down of elementary school children.
Indeed, law-abiding Americans have no obligation to take ownership of a madman’s actions. Nor is there any reason for them to surrender their right to self-defense so that Chris Murphy, who, evidenced in many of his comments, is only interested in incrementally limiting gun ownership. That’s his right, of course. He should try and repeal the Second Amendment.
Asking for an age increase to 21 is far from asking Americans to surrender their right to self defense. Demonizing people who think it makes no ***** sense to let an emotional 18 year old buy a gun when they can’t even buy a beer perpetuates distrust.These same “can’t give an inch” people also have ***** zero to offer on the mental health solution front.
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7 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:
Blackmon was an alcoholic with multiple DWI's. Plus he was too stupid not to keep failing his drug screens. For those reasons, he is out of the league. The Jags never released him, he could have come back after a vetting process.
Martavis Bryant….Josh Gordon, yes all multiple time failed drug tests and full season suspensions. Say what you want about them, but predatory behavior towards women is a lot worse to me. Not sure what you’re trying to argue.
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5 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:
Who’s “out of the league” for smoking weed?
Justin Blackmon comes to mind.
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I would daresay very few of you look at an 18 year old and see an adult. Maybe in previous generations that was true, but the maturity is just not there these days. There are obviously exceptions, but I believe that to be true in my experience.
But we still can’t even agree to push the purchase age back a few years. The stalemate we face is pathetic and reflects very poorly on all of us.
Note I would support OBVIOUS exceptions to that rule for military and law enforcement before someone throws that “problematic” gotcha at me.
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Greg Abbott’s press conference just angered me. NO ***** that mental health is a problem everywhere in this country. Please tell me how to address this root cause.
It’s an absurd copout as is someone saying to “ban (x) type of gun”
When will we ***** compromise to save lives? Even suggesting 21 being the age to purchase is met with such swift venom that I know we’ll never get anywhere with it.
These incidents, for some, are apparently an acceptable tax to pay.
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The fact we’ve had talented players out of the league for smoking weed or gambling, but this POS hasn’t been made an example of yet is disgusting.
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Conversation always heads in the same predictable directions.
For the “it’s a mental health issue”
crowd”…first off no *****. You mean someone who would massacre elementary school children is sick? Thanks for enlightening us.
Now what would you do to address the “root cause” as many like to point out? Save us from the gotcha questions on what semiauto means. How about some constructive solutions instead of digging in.
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There are no words. I can’t imagine the road these families have in front of them.
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Disgusting. God help us all with the direction we are on.
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29 minutes ago, Andy1 said:
Psychology is an inexact science. The Red Flag Law should have automatic triggers with threats at school being one of them.
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NFL will find a way to get this wrong.
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2 minutes ago, KDIGGZ said:
I continue to appreciate your rational approach to the matter.
Playing devil's advocate - If you take away people's guns for going to therapy then people with mental illness won't seek treatment and they will continue to sit at home and fester and that might be what happened here. He clearly didn't get the help he needed for whatever reason. Someone must have known this kid was spending his life savings on stockpiling this stuff. What 18 year old can afford all of this? I know I couldn't when I was his age. Someone close to him should have seen the signs that this was a troubled youth who was possibly becoming a threat to himself and others
I’m just muddling through life trying to make the best of it like most of us.
I agree you can’t have disincentives for people to seek help. I’m not advocating for that. In this specific case he was not flagged for having anxiety or depression or some other issues. He quite literally threatened a mass shooting. I just think it’s time we take these threats more seriously. Sad that it sounds like some adults were trying to do the right thing. I hope more comes to light on what happened with this, roll his parents played, etc. Breakdown all around here.
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4 minutes ago, T master said:
If there were plenty of flags then why in the world didn't any one have the B**LS to go to the authorities ?
Especially if it were the officials in the school say a teacher or a principle the ones that are suppose to keep a eye out for any of that kind of language or weird behavior if they had heard anything they should have called the authorities & had him questioned at the very least .
I think people are walking around so afraid to say anything so they don't get a law suit filed against them ! Or the students think they will be snitches and will have to suffer the abuse after for it .
I for one would rather have them snitch then have that many people dead because no one said a word .
Besides locks are only to keep a honest man honest not sure if throwing another law at it would help there are millions on the books already people need to engage more or watch each others backs more .
They did and a case was opened on him. Sounds like he even spent a night in inpatient treatment.Somehow the ball got dropped after that. That’s where I’m most interested in talking about. We had this person identified and it still happened. How do we intervene in these cases while still respecting the rights of honest gun owners? That’s why I want to engage honest owners because we need their buy in. He bought additional firearms AFTER his school got him investigated and committed.
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Man I focus back on work for a few hours and it’s completely off the rails. Example of why nothing gets done.
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I see enough common ground supporting stricter enforcement of red flag laws. I don’t understand how this kid, who was already identified to the point of having mental health professionals opening a case, passed an instant check to purchase a rifle two months ago. That’s a flawed system. He was explicitly threatening this.
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12 minutes ago, KDIGGZ said:
"They" meaning the current administration who has already stated they want certain guns banned and they have placed Beto O'Rourke at the head of said movement purposely because that is their stated goal.
To be more specific, they want to ban "assault weapons." There's no such thing as an assault weapon. A stapler can be an assault weapon if you assault somebody with it. By placing a ban on assault weapons they can classify anything they want as an assault weapon thus banning all guns. They want to set that legal precedent which then gives them full autonomy to do as they please and I think both sides can agree that a strong government is what the forefathers were fighting to get away from and they didn't want future generations to end up in the same spot.
Also, similarly, a limit to the number of rounds in the same regard gives a legal precedent to limit the rounds to whatever they deem fit. Is 1 round enough? Like the old school muskets? What if you are being attacked by 2 people? Can you call a timeout? These scenarios seem silly until you are in them.
Common sense laws are a good idea but there are actors in our government who would gladly assume as much power as citizens are willing to give up and that's not a good situation for anybody. This is a very tragic situation and I wish there was an obvious answer to it. It's not as cut and dry as some people would like to think.
You keep slamming the door. I promise I agree there are bad actors leading people astray, but cut them out. We’re on a football message board none of this is binding.At work when I have an issue with something I go to the person who lives it everyday to get data and advice. In business we accept that the environment around us is dynamic and ever changing and we need to make adjustments to address those changes. It’s typically done in a collaborative way. We confuse this with politically charged issues.
Cut out all the intellectually dishonest people…what would you do with someone who owns rifles and body armor and is making explicit threats of a mass shooting incident. We can’t do anything? I don’t need a recap on the 2A, I understand it’s purpose and I’m a supporter.
I’m interested in real conversation, but once again we always drift to the same place…
Thoughts…I struggle advocating criminalizing someone who leading indicators suggest is heading towards a criminal act. If they have not done anything yet it’s all hypothetical. My suggestion would be to re-examine what sort of explicit threats rise to the level of criminal. To me someone threatening a mass shooting who also has the means to do it, should absolutely be fair game for state intervention.
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1 minute ago, ArdmoreRyno said:
Again, I don't have the answers but don't pretend gun owners or 'firearm advocates' are the problem. We aren't.
I don’t for a second consider you a problem. That’s why I want to engage you in conversation because you have a better perspective in which to frame solutions.The issue is this individual was making explicit threats and still there was nothing that could be done. Most of these incidents involve a severe mental illness. I wish people could find common ground on limiting access with better red flags considering todays social landscape and the damage social media has done to at risk youths.
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3 minutes ago, KDIGGZ said:
Firearm advocate here. The problem is that if you give an inch they take a mile and neither side trusts each other. Most people are for common sense laws like background checks and waiting periods. The problem is that it doesn't stop there. They have already said they want to ban certain types of guns which by law would then give precedent to ban all guns. The 2nd amendment was put in place for a reason. The government works for us, not the other way around. Government should fear a strongly armed militia and it's supposed to be a balance of power. You want to give the government all of the power? How do you know they will do the right thing when history shows otherwise? This kid had mental problems clearly. Maybe focus on that. A gun is just a tool. A crazy person can do just as much or more damage with a bomb which is much easier to get than a gun
Part of the problem is this particular dig in referring to “they” taking a mile. That’s fear mongering to me.
I would focus on the mental health too. I don’t have all the answers, but it saddens me that we still refuse to limit access for someone making EXPLICIT threats.
Not worth it we’ll just go around. Even mentioning the conversation gets someone labeled as an individual giving up all to the government or wanting to seize peoples guns. I’m not thinking in these absolutes as much as people want to paint everyone in a box these days.
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The sick *****’s school reported him for threatening a mass shooting and other obvious cry for help behaviors. Yet he could still purchase rifles and body armor? He can’t even own a handgun legally in this state. Lot of inconsistencies.
I wish firearms advocates would step up and help craft legislation that actually makes sense. Instead we get a lot of digging in and slippery slope fear mongering.
There were plenty of red flags.
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These conversations always start and end the same. Sucks no one can have a reasonable discussion.
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Texas (again)
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It definitely looks bad, the videos make
me sick to my stomach imagining my own child in the building and not being allowed to do anything waiting around. I haven’t read enough yet to know who screwed up, but even then I’d just be sad.
Definitely seems a far cry from the heroic story Greg Abbott weaved.