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Thank definitely appreciate the heads up. Finally somebody reasonable enough to explain things without assuming that a person just want to start threads just for the sake of starting them. Thanks again
No problem man. It's something I was told when I first signed up here. Just passing it along.
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This is soo wrong.......... Should be everyone working not just one person.......... Beane is getting lower on my list. McDermott needs to know lots. Keep him in the shadow only things going to be much worse..
He never said that he didn't discuss whether Sammy fit into their long term plans, or the possibility of trading him. He just said that he didn't tell him there was a potential trade pending right before his first ever game as a head coach.
I can almost guarantee that they discussed Sammy's future with the team long before that trade ever happened. They had been getting trade calls since spring when McDermott decided not to pick up Sammy's 5th year option.
Plus Beane, McDermott and Pegula discussed the trade for hours after the game and they all came to a decision together. It was not just Beane doing it on his own.
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That's a very revealing comment about your intelligence. Too many table dives is my guess?
Holy ****. Are you guys serious? It was just a joke. It's ok to laugh you know. Not everything has to be taken so serious. It's football, you know - a game. Man oh man some people sure are super raw and sensitive on this Sammy Watkins subject, huh?It's a funny picture but reeks of jealousy, insecurity and bitterness.
Don't hate Sammy for the **** trade the team you root for just made.
Calling out my intelligence for posting a picture....
And I'm jealous, insecure and bitter too? lol. What are you Sigmund Freud? if you interpreted that much from a simple picture I posted on a message board, are you by any chance for hire? I need a good psychologist.
Thanks though, guys. I needed a good laugh. Especially coming from you ScottLaw considering the stuff you've been posting since this trade happened. Id say that i've basically been nothing but rational about this trade, while you on the other hand...
And I don't hate Sammy BTW. I like him a lot and expect a monster season from him now that he's healthy and I think it sucks that it won't happen with the Bills. But it's not life and death stuff and I'm not so hurt that I can't attempt (and obviously fail) to make a joke about it.
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Just to give you a heads up Cherrybone, this place is not like BBMB. It is frowned upon to continue starting random new threads. There is already a Tyrod thread ongoing. This should have just been posted there. It's how this place works.
For example, I have just over 700 posts now and I have started maybe 2 new threads total out of those 700 posts.
Before you start a new thread, they want you to use the search function for the topic you are thinking about starting. In this case the topic would be "Tyrod Taylor". So you use that search function on the top of the page to search for Tyrod Taylor, then post this there instead of starting a new thread (or you can just look and see there is a Tyrod thread on the front page).
Anyway, just letting you know since you're relatively new here.
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20-minute @PFT_Live chat with Rams G.M. Les Snead starts with the nuts and bolts of the Sammy Watkins trade
That was a good read.
Sounds like they acquired him to be a deep threat. I wonder if they'll use him on the shorter bubble screens (etc) and allow him to do what he excelled at in college and get YAC. We never really got to see much of that in Buffalo.
Sammy's a great deep threat, don't get me wrong. But he has so much more to his game than that. It'd be a shame if LA didn't take advantage of that either.
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Rams developing high tech shoe for Watkins. Got engineers working on it.
Lol.
In other news, Rams also working with medical staff on a new uniform/equipment for Sammy to wear during games -
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Which is literally the worst thing they could have done.
Either go for playoffs, or go for the cellar. Enough of this middle ground crap.
IF they would have went for the cellar they could have a top 3 pick and all this additional draft capital, but instead it will be pick 12-15 and other draft capital that now has to be spent to move up in the draft.
Right, because the Bills didn't beat a brady-less Pats 16-0.
Wthout Brady the Pats are an average team, at best.
Yeah, with their 3rd string QB playing hurt and missing other key players too (like Gronk for much of the game).
Do you remember Brady at the beginning of his career? For years he was more of a check-down game manager type QB. He wasn't always the same Brady that we see today, who has had the chance to literally perfect playing in that system.
Again, Brady is amazing and will go down as one of the best ever. But that Pats team is so much more than just Brady alone. Giving Brady all the credit neglects giving Belichick just as much credit for what he's done. The Patriots are a very good all around team almost every single year, on offense and defense.
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Eichel, Sabes set for a fresh start -
https://www.nhl.com/news/jack-eichel-buffalo-sabres-ready-for-new-start/c-290672042
Good article with an interview from Eichel.
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Report: 2017 Hobey Baker winner Will Butcher will visit with the #Sabres. He becomes a UFA as of midnight tonight: http://www.wgr550.com/articles/news/report-butcher-visit-sabres
This would be a nice get IMO. I think he has a damn good shot at being an NHL defenseman. Whether that's a bottom pairing offensive specialist type, or a legit top 4 guy I don't know. But he would surely bolster Buffalo's depth on defense, that's for sure.
I'd be excited if Botterill and Housley can get this done.
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So then QB not really important? It's all about the coach. Or is it all about accumulating draft picks? I guess if Taylor isn't the guy no need to waste an early pick on a QB, just load up on WR and CB. Easy to find a QB in the late rounds.
Not at all what I said. The QB is extremely important.
But yeah, when you have maybe the greatest cosch in NFL history, I'd say that's a pretty big advantage.
Brady is also a special QB. But I was saying that Belichick really helped in his development.
The Patriots are an all around good team on offense and defense almost every year though, and Belichick is an absolute master at game planning and mid game adjustments. He's maybe the best I've ever seen in my lifetime. He is also fantastic at finding players that fit his team and getting more out of them than most others can.
It's not just Brady out there by himself winning championships.
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I get the fact that these guys are new so they seem special.
But McDermott has a very modest coaching record........as I've mentioned, he was actually FIRED as a DC in the job before his last.......which is highly unusual for a first time HC candidate..........and Beane has about as much player scouting experience as Russ Brandon......not really a personnel man by nature.
I think having a top 10 defense 4 of the past 5 years is pretty successful, no?
They also were the NFC South division champions in 2013, 2014 and 2015 with almost an undefeated season and a SB appearance in 2015.
I don't know. I've been a big fan of McDermott and Carolina's defense since 2013. They were a pretty impressive unit IMO. One of the better defenses in the NFL most years and usually pretty exciting to watch.
And Beane didn't come up on the scouting side, but he does have some scouting experience. That's why he hired a top of the line scouting and personnel staff though. He recognized that probably wasn't his strong suit and he acted accordingly. When's the last time we've had a scouting and personnel staff like this? Pegula spared no expense. Paid top dollar in the NFL and Beane was able to get some top of the line people because of it (IMO anyway).
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You seriously think that the Patriots success happens with or without Brady?
Maybe not the 5 of 7 Super Bowls. But yes, I think they would still be a very successful team even without Brady. He was a 6th round draft pick. I don't know if he ends up one of the greatest QBs ever without Belichick. Playing in the same offense his entire career is also a big help IMO.
Belichick won 11 games with Matt Cassel! and went 3-1 with Garoppolo and Brisset.
Brady is obviously s big reason for their success but Belichick is easily just as big a reason IMO. Brady isn't the most gifted QB in the NFL. There have been many more talented QBs than Brady in NFL history that never had nearly as much success.
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That was a good read. It's going to be interesting to watch Jacksonville and Coughlin, especially if things don't go too well. He is a coach thru and thru and he's such a control freak. I think much of how this Marrone-Coughlin working relationship goes will depend on how long Marrone is able to put up with Coughlin going over every minute detail and how the power/control dynamic plays out long term. Marrone' a bit of s control freak himself.To the surprise of no one, the real boss of the Jags isn't Maroon.
From head coach to executive, Tom Coughlin is still running the @Jaguars his way: relentlessly. http://on.nfl.com/HWsuMn
(via @judybattista)
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Yessss!
More comp picks instead of valuable veteran depth!
Not if they re-sign Matthews. But even if they don't they still have a chance at 2 players for 1 (with the comp pick) so that does add depth to the team.
If you think about it, keeping one player at a high cap hit (Sammy) when your entire team is lacking depth, actually does more to take away depth than to add to it. Especially when that 1 player will likely take up 1/2 or more of their available 2018 cap space. That could/would prevent them from adding much of that valuable veteran depth you mentioned.
I think there's a good chance they offer Matthews a contract though.
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I don't disagree with building through the draft. I'm not sure how retaining Watkins could be considered anything but building through the draft though.
I get what you're saying but i look at building through the draft as acquiring a bunch of picks and using them to build your team.
I know Sammy was still young, but he wasn't really going to be a cost controlled asset after this year. His pay was going to sky rocket, especially if he has the type of year we all think he could/would.
As I mentioned in my last post, I think they are also just looking at the timeline, as well as the entire situation.
Had Sammy still had years left on his rookie deal they could have afforded to keep him around and wait to see.
Or if McDermott (assuming that's who decided) had picked up the 5th year option it probably/maybe bought them this year to look at him.
But since that decision was made before Beane got here (maybe a mistake from a rookie coach who shouldn't really be making those decisions yet, especially without the proper people surrounding him), Beane made the best of the circumstances he was dealt, IMO anyway. He got a player and (what could be a high) 2nd round pick, and he also got a replacement WR that's been just as productive on the field and could be cheaper to sign or if not they still likely get the same 3rd round comp pick as if Sammy had left in FA.
So they maximized an asset as best they could. I'm not sure Sammy would have been worth as much in a trade on the franchise tag next year. It's a lot more expensive than his deal now (esp. considering the Bills already paid out a chunk of it this year, so his cap hit is super cheap for LA) and you usually don't see NFL players on expensive deals or on franchise tags getting traded for much value. Plus I believe him on the tag would kind of hinder that option for the next team, a staffing him the following year would be even more expensive (since it's the 2nd tag in a row).
I also just don't think they felt that they're anywhere near at a time where they need (or want) to devote a big chunk of their cap space to a potentially elite WR that isn't really producing on the field (because of injury availability, under-utilization etc).
I think they know that this team has massive holes and is severely lacking depth in so many areas, so they traded a UFA to be for multiple assets. It sucks that a talent like Sammy was traded, but this is the kind of forward thinking asset management that the Bills have not had in a while. I don't necessarily agree with trading Sammy himself, but when I look at the entire picture, especially from the point of view of someone who has no attachment to Sammy (like Beane), I can understand where they're coming from and I can appreciate the move.
I don't know man. Just my opinion.
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Yep huge money on a team with few stars and no big time QB. It's a pretty decent number for a #1 WR if you check salaries around the league and a tool to keep the player longer in order to negotiate a cap friendly long term deal. Maybe the Bills can put together a starting 22 on rookie deals. They could win the " cap Bowl".
$13M 5th year option would have put Sammy in the top 5 or 6 paid WR's in the NFL. Not sure I'd say that's a good number for what he's done thus far in his career. I have a hard time arguing that he deserves to be paid as a top 5 WR right now, and I'm not sure one good, productive healthy year changes that (at least in the team's eyes).
Also, I would think $13M per season is the lowest starting point he'd accept on a long term deal. Why would he accept less? He would be guaranteed $13M next year and get $17+M or more on the tag the following year. Plus he already said that NFL players are not paid enough and he wants to change the pay structure of the NFL. That says big bucks to me.
And $13M next year would take up 1/2 of the Bills available $26M in cap space and they do have other players to potentially sign. I'm sure they will want to better the team, too.
I agree that they should have probably just picked up Sammy's 5th year option though and I agree that they don't have any big star players to pay (although Eric Wood will command a good size payday if they want to re-sign him & id argue that he's been more important to the offense than Sammy has).
Thing is, it doesn't look like the Bills had any interest in making Sammy a top 5 paid WR or using up 1/2 or more of their available cap space on him (and it would probably be more then 1/2 since the 5th year option wasn't picked up before a Beane was hired) with where the team is at right now. Maybe there were other factors at play too, but it's all speculation so I won't bother.
Whether we like it or not, they felt that he didn't fit into their future plans for whatever reason.
We've seen that Sammy has never been properly utilized in his time here. They're a run first team and don't have the QB to run a pass heavy offense. We don't know when they'll have the QB to use him properly yet either. We can speculate but as of now that QB doesn't look to be on the roster and may not be for years. Even if they draft a rookie next year he may not play in 2018 and if/when he does play they will still likely be a run first team in that QBs first couple/few years starting like other rookie QBs in the past (like Roethlisberger for ex). They may have felt that there's no reason to
I'm not even saying I agree with the trade or like it. But I disagree that cap space was not a potential issue.
I don't know why some people think it's such a terrible thing to build through the draft, either. That's how most of the best teams have been built. It's something the Bills haven't done in a long time. They've been trying to put a bandaid over a gunshot wound for years. Time to try something new IMO.
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Maybe part of Goff's problem was that he didn't have targets. It's hard for any QB, even the Bradys and Rodgers, to throw successfully when they don't have good receivers for whatever reason.
IMO, the hiring process during the few years the Pegulas have owned the team has been laughable, for both HC and GM. IIRC, Ryan was hired after meeting with the Pegulas when there were other candidates who hadn't been interviewed. As for Beane, that he was selected after McDermott suggests that he's the same kind of figurehead as Marv Levy was back in 2009-2010 ... and the real "powers behind the throne" are McDermott and Russ Brandon.
Rex Ryan was hired after an exhaustive coaching search. I believe they had interviewed somewhere around 15 people before they eveninterviewed Rex. Then late in the process they decided to give Rex an interview, for the sake of being thorough, and the rest is history...
As for Beane, I don't think he's just a figurehead. From all accounts, he did the Sammy and Darby trades all in his own. McDermott didn't even know about the trades until the night before.
I believe that McDermott was just following the Andy Reid model with the Beane hiring.
McD has tons of respect for Beane and really trusts his football acumen. Pegula wanted the entire building to be in lock step with their vision, was impressed by Beane and hired him. It wasn't just a figurehead hire. They immediately put him in charge of revamping the entire personnel and scouting staff. A figurehead doesn't do that.
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Yes that is typically what the Pats have done. Still need our QB though. Still hope TT does well this year regardless, I like the guy.
We need a lot more than just our QB... lol. Hence the abundance of draft picks.
I hope TT does well too. O body is going to out-work him, and that's something you really want in a QB.
He really seems to be playing with more of an attitude and a bit of s chip on his shoulder this year. I hope it serves him well.
If he could somehow take a big step forward it would be the best thing for the Bills.
I'm not really counting on it, but I am not convinced that he is done developing after 2 years as a starter, like some others are. I don't think it's impossible that he's able to take a step forward in year 3 (starting). A lot of it will depend on how well he's able to execute Dennison's timing offense and get rid of the ball on time.
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That was a good article. It really gives you an idea of what the Bills plan is for team building -
'It's the exact configuration coach Sean McDermott believes is necessary for success. He wants players who place winning ahead of their own statistics.
So far, that has been reflected in all of the moves McDermott and General Manager Brandon Beane have made in their major roster upheaval.
"We’re building a team, we’re not accumulating talent," the coach said. "We’re building a team and that comes down to roles, it comes down to chemistry, it comes down to camaraderie, and it comes also down to unselfishness. That’s the qualities we are looking for in our football players."
This is definitely a different approach to what Whaley took. Him being a scout, he valued talent over everything else. He just wanted to get the best player available. McDermott and Beane want to build a true team. No player is above the team. It's a very Belichick like approach.
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http://buffalonews.com/2017/08/15/bills-boldin-not-diva-mentality-receiver-room/Was the poster who said Boldin and Watkins were yapping at each other during game on Thurs. ever validated?
Interesting. Thanks for sharing.
This is what none of us will probably ever know - what went on in the locker room, meetings, practiced, sidelines etc etc.
I'm not saying Sammy was a problem. Just that we really don't know what went on behind closed doors.
There is some evidence of him being a bit of a "diva" and "me first" type receiver (which I do think is common with many great WR's).
But if you look at the type of receivers this new coaching staff has acquired -going after Maclin, getting Boldin, Zay Jones, Jordan Matthews - they clearly value high character, team first type guys. Guys who have all said "I don't care how they use me, I just want to help the team win" (not that Sammy didn't want the same thing).
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I can understand the comment from Sammy as he's coming off injury. But Darby?
This was my thought too.
Sammy is obviously coming off major injury that kept him out of practice and games for a great length of time. Him not being in football shape makes sense.
But Darby? (if true)
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I don't get the tanking talk, but what I really don't get is why some think that Sammy Watkins makes or breaks the Bills season.
This is a totally different team from last year. I believe there are something like 30 players left from last year, and over 50 new guys.
We really have no idea what this team is going to be.
I get that we traded the more talented player away in Sammy. But he hasn't really produced big numbers on the field here. I like to think this is the season that it was finally going to happen, but as of now they got back a receiver who's been just as productive but more available on the field.
What I'm worried about is Cordy Glenn still not able to play and going to Wisconsin for some type of injection. This foot thing looks to be a lingering issue and we have no depth a LT (unless rookie Dion Dawkins is able to step in and play well). We could be in big trouble without Glenn...
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Exactly. That's what confirms that report's suspicions. Beane and McD aren't sold on Matthews. It's likely a rental as Matthews will command a good change and Beane is concerned about managing cap. This trade was about the pick. And to get rid of a corner who didn't fit their scheme. And corners like Darby are hard to come by. Corners who can cover man to man well. See what Eagles' GM said in articles after the trade. Guys like Darby are rarer than elite WRs. That's why Cowherd was saying Eagles won this trade.
I agree that the pick was likely the main piece. But I think getting a receiver back for this year was also important. I really do think Matthews is a great fit here, at least character wise. He's definitely a McDermott/Beane type of player to a T.
They've kind of given that same line about a lot of players. I think it's really important to them that they have players who want to be here and are bought in.
We will just have to wait and see what happens. Matthews could fit great and end up pricing himself out anyway. The cool thing is that even if he does walk, they likely still get the same 3rd round comp pick they'd have got if Sammy walked.
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No Pegs said he was surprised that Rex asked the question and the answer was that he didn't know and spoiled Rex demanded an answer.
Pegs was clearly shaken by the entire thing and very uncertain about what he was doing. No decision had been made on Rex at that point.
Then one minute he was defending and supporting Whaley and putting him out there as the face of change/the franchise, proclaiming him the leader of the coaching search........but then after meeting McDermott a few days later.......suddenly Whaley was on the outs.
Pegs has no idea what he's doing........and it's obvious......and it's hard for football guys to respect that even if they like him.
He never said that Rex demanded an answer. Here are his exact words -
'As the call came to a close, Pegula said Ryan asked to speak to the owner privately. Pegula said Ryan then directly asked him about his future beyond this season.
"I was asked a point-blank question and based on the discussions we've been having all year, I felt it was better to tell Rex that we were going in a different direction," Pegula said.'
Though Pegula was going to wait to evaluate Ryan's job after the season, he said he probably would've come to the same conclusion now as he did a week ago.
Pegula based his decision on his own observations, input he's received from his front-office staff over the course of the season, and also on previous discussions he's had with Ryan regarding addressing the team's struggles.
"(Whaley) had input on the basis of conversations throughout the year, what the problems were," Pegula said. "But did Doug ever say, 'Are we firing our coach, are we keeping our coach?' We never had that conversation. I took it upon myself to tell Rex on the basis of conversations about the games and the aftermath of certain games that, hey, things aren't going well."
That's seems different than a stunning ultimatum, Rex demanding an answer and Pegula being uncertain about what he was doing. He knew Rex was gone, he just wanted to wait 1 more game to do it. There were rumors for weeks on end that he was a goner.
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