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2 minutes ago, buffalostu2 said:
I believe that was Buddy Nix's desperation parting move trying to leave the organization on the rise. I don't think you can pin that on Doug especially when he has been heard saying that his biggest mistake was not going out and getting a franchise QB.
This was more of what happened.
Buddy said FOR YEARS he wasn't leaving before finding us a QB... Then the 2013 draft rolls around...
just released fitz, no QB, and Buddy did what he promised ... drafted a QB and stepped down soon after
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13 minutes ago, JohnC said:
It's apparent that KC had a high view of Mahomes as a draft prospect. And after watching him in practice for a season it's also apparent that he met their expectations as demonstrated by their trade of Smith who still had time on his contract.My intention is not to debate about a particular qb as it is to emphasize that especially for a team that doesn't have a franchise qb you have to make it a priority to address that issue.
Repeating what I have already said once that position is addressed a team has so many more options in building a roster. Without that issue solidified your team will continue to flounder.
Obviously they are sold on him and I understand your point
the top QBs this year are far ahead of last years draft
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21 minutes ago, JohnC said:
I would give up both of our first round picks, a second and include either a first or second round pick next year. If it takes more such as dealing off Cordy Glenn I would still consider it a fair deal. My line of thinking is if you believe as I do that the Bills are still in a multi-year rebuilding mode to become a serious team then the one essential ingredient is to acquire a franchise qb. Once the qb is secured then the team has more options to take through the future drafts, free agency and trades to bring in more talent.
Getting a legitimate franchise qb is more of a priority than addressing any other position. You can get useful temporary fill-ins for other position from free agency but it is unlikely that you can get an upper scale qb through free agency or trades. Another advantage of drafting a top tier qb is that for the next few years you are paying less for a premium position than if you sought your franchise qb through the market.
Just think how differently we would be looking at this drafit if last year the Bills would have drafted a qb such as Mahomes or Watson? The priority mission this year is to get a high level prospect on board and then work on broadening the talent on the roster.
Definitely though I'm still not sold on Mahomes..
Watson on the other hand I had rated much higher
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25 minutes ago, N.Y. Orangeman said:
716: If you are Beane, how much would you be willing to get Rosen?
I think it it all depends on the trading partner and what they need.
I'd give both firsts this year and probably even a 2nd next year if it would get it done but it probably wouldn't
Realistically that's like only giving up a first and second because we would be swapping one of our firsts to select Rosen
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17 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:
The thing about Allen is, is he consistent and accurate when not under pressure?
Voch Lombardi in his scouting film pointed out that with Lamar Jackson, he could predict when he would be inaccurate because his footwork was off before he threw (other throws, the mechanics are proper, and the throws on target). But with Allen, he would see what looked like good mechanics and adequate time to throw, and sometimes his throw would still be off target. If that's true, it may be harder for Allen to fix things. The first challenge will be to identify the problem.
Then there's that Senior Bowl throw at the nets. Allen. Net #2. Sailing, sailing. We'll see.
What bothers me about the "lack of talent Wyoming" thing, is that it seems to me it's also true of most of the teams he faced, so it should come out in the wash, vs guys who had more talent around them, but also faced more talent.
That is definitely a good point... a blue chip QB prospect doesn't fold up as much as Allen Did against lesser competition
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1 minute ago, Pete said:
The premise is simple. Are they dead or Canadian? Once you answer- you can pick whom is next subject on dead or Canadian. Let's play!
Margaret Atwood
dead or Canadian?
Canadian for $500
Tim Horton
dead or Canadian
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1 minute ago, Marv's Neighbor said:
Does it run? Any rust? When was the last time it was serviced? Any boxes?
Ask mead
its his train
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5 minutes ago, Paul Costa said:
I looked at Jim Kelky’s Stats at the University of Miami. I saw his competition rate at 56.5%. I heard Bill Polian say on the John Murphy show today say that no Quarterback has completed less than 60% of his passes in College and been successful in the NFL. Did I read Jim’s stats wrong? Was he not successful in the NFL ? Did I misunderstand what Bill Polian said today? ?please help me out?
I think he was talking the modern league since the rule changes...
but I wasn't listening so who knows
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8 minutes ago, Misterbluesky said:
Why..the prices a few years ago were outrageous.FYI-The Eagles will be here on July 14th...if I'm able i want to hit that.
I wasn't able to attend and I just think it be a great show
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Wish they'd come back to buffalo
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Most GMs have similar tendencies... they like good football players
still yet to find that GM that values kickers and punters in the first... oh wait... Da Raiders!
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5 hours ago, billspro said:
The one thing that is a little scary with Mayfield is just how open his WRs get. Lamb looks like a top 5 WR prospect in his draft year, he has an NFL TE, and a few other NFL prospects at the WR position, and a very good oline. I still really like Mayfield as a prospect but you have to take that into account.
Where as Josh Allen had the worst team around him. I don't think I have ever seen an oline play as bad as Wyomings. That definitely hurt Allens completion percentage. Allen is the most difficult prospect to evaluate. His protection always breaks down so you don't get to see him go through his reads, his accuracy drops off considerably after his first read but that may be due to protection issues as well, and he looks to run without the play developing but that could be because his WRs suck. He also makes some throws on tape that only he can make, very special arm.
The thing with Allen is all the excuses people come up with... I don't like excuses in life let alone on the football field
yes he has a tremendous arm and makes wow throws. Yes he is big and very athletic
The excuse this year was that he carried a team with a lack of talent... No WRs , no line, no TE...
but last year he had a WR go to the NFL and a TE, a RB and a lineman. He had tons of talent especially for the mountain west and he still couldn't reach 60%
On the flip, Josh Rosen and UCLA was top 10 in the country in drops and his stats are phenomenal since he was a true freshman
Allen isn't as inaccurate as people think but I don't think he is as good a QB rn as Rosen, Darnold and Baker
and he never may be
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1 hour ago, billspro said:
Cool, when do we get you final QB rankings?
I'm gonna do Lamar Jackson and Josh Rosen and maybe 1 other guy
then I'll have a list of my 7
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1 hour ago, billspro said:
I like Mason Rudolph but I don't think he has a strong enough arm to develop into a high end starter in the league. Do you think he has enough arm strength? I thought he had enough originally, but after watching a bunch of the other guys I am not sure he does. I have moved Mike White a head of him because White has NFL arm strength and accuracy. I also moved Josh Allen ahead of him recently, along with Lamar Jackson.
Right now I have Rudolph battling with Falk as a third round QB prospect.
I think he has good accuracy but the more I watch his arm strength definitely leaves some to be desired
its not super weak and you can definitely improve it but it isn't where I'd like it right now
i think he will go second round , maybe early 3rd
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1 hour ago, billspro said:
You do a great job on these. I think another positive for Darnold is the "clutch" factor. He seems to make big throws when his team needs him to. A great trait for a franchise QB.
How is your grading system set up?
For me if I had 90 as a top 5 pick and 80 as a first round pick I would have Darnold graded around 86.
I think the best thing that could happen for us is having Allen go number 1 and have Denver pick up Cousins. That would cause either Rosen or Darnold to drop to around number 5 in the draft and we would be able to trade up with both number 1's and probably a number 2 from next years draft, leaving us with both of our second rounds to fill some other needs.
I take each QB and break them down into 12 categories giving each a grade 1-99
i then divide the total by 12
90+ - generational
80-89- high end 10 year starter
79-79 - high end PROSPECT who can become starter
60-69- Low end Prosepct Backup
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2 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:
I take that as "shows high level traits"?
(Hapless would be happy if Rosen dropped and Bills got their hands on him - provided they can still give him an OL and WR)
Definitely has high level traits
I would be thrilled to land Rosen or Darnold, even Baker
But as of today I think Rosen is hands down the best pocket passer
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2 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:
Thanks 716. It sounds to me as if, were I the Browns sitting at #1, I take Darnold. I don't care what Allen's velocity is, he's a 'dark horse' in terms of what he's actually shown. I guess the thinking is, Darnold's delivery is not likely to be "fixable" but the turnover problems might be?
Your take on Rudolph matches with mine. He's steady...his WR and OL are good and help him out more than some of the other prospects...I see him make smart, safe decisions with the ball like throwing it away or checking down instead of going for a higher degree of difficulty (NFL level) throw that is also higher risk.
I guess I ought to wait for your Film Room on him, but how do you slot Rosen in there?
I would assume that Darnolds delivery is probably somewhat set in stone... too much muscle memory since he's been a QB since he was a kid... people tweak things but rarely a full scale change happens
I think outside of injury concerns Rosen is a true blue pocket passer. I've never met him but I think some people blow up this attitude problem... he is by all accounts the hardest working player at UCLA and wants everyone to follow suit
Pac 12 coordinators wanted to keep Darnold in the pocket(so his clock winds down and he forces a pass)
Pac 12 coordinators did EVERYTHING they could to make Josh leave the pocket
Deadiest pocket QB in the draft... picture perfect lower body mechanics and upper body mechanics
Ball just flies out of his hand so cleanly and effortlessly. NEVER seen him throw a wobbly ball
and he has great touch to all levels
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2 hours ago, CritMark said:
Ok, here is my frustration. Any objective measure used to support Mayfield is met with subjective, impossible to measure responses. Please note, I am not at all calling you out specifically, I appreciate your reasoned replies. This is more of a general frustration. Here is an example.
Fact: Mayfield led the nation in completion percentage.
Response 1: But he played in the Big 12 where they don't play defense.
Rebuttal 1: The Pac 12 in 2017 was ranked worse than the Big 12 in defense but neither Rosen nor Darnold get any such criticism.
Response 2: But Mayfield had better talent around him.
Rebuttal 2: Looking at recruiting class rankings USC had the far better recruiting classes consistently with UCLA and OU roughly even.
Response 3: But everyone knows OU does a better job of developing talent.
Rebuttal 3: If everyone knows that, why does USC continue to draw better talent? wouldn't it be in the players interest to chose OU over USC?
Response 4: Well it's all just a guessing game trying to evaluate talent coming out of high school.
So if everything comes down to dismissing everything to a guessing game, then throw out all the stats and just look at how a players feels to you. Oh wait, that's what they seem to be doing with Josh Allen. My bad.
I could go on but you get my drift. It doesn't matter what objective measure you want to apply, there is always an excuse to dismiss it and most of the time is it grossly subjective and not supported by facts
You are absolutely correct, there are a lot of stats out there that compute adjusted percentage to account for spikes etc. Mayfield still leads the country. You yourself question if short throws pad the stats. There are stats out there as well and Mayfields production holds up at any distance. Mayfield's completion and rating are far better than the other QB prospects at any distance, short, medium or long. Here's one more for you, Mayfield's passer rating under pressure was better that Rosen & Darnold when they had no pressure. Here are two quotes from ProFootballFocus:
Every number you choose to focus on puts Mayfield head and shoulders above the rest of the class. His NFL passer rating when kept clean in the pocket was 143.8 in 2017, more than 20.0 points higher than any of the other potential top quarterbacks.
Mayfield was more productive and efficient when pressured than the other top prospects were when kept clean in 2017.
Are there other factors that need to be looked at, absolutely. How about, maybe the reason the offensive talent at OU looked better or developed better was do in some part to the QB elevating the talent around him! Just an idea.
OK, stepping off my soap box now. As I said, I appreciate your thoughtful and respectful dialog.
We had this convo before and I'd just like to point out that i never tried to bash USC as a program
they are both top 10 historic programs and draw top 10-20 recruiting classes yearly.
My point was that Oklahomas record the past 8 years suggested they develop talent slightly better
of course USC pulls 5* and 4* but so does OU. But OUs been better
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20 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:
Thanks, 716. Can't wait to see your take on Rosen and on Jackson.
Couple of questions -
-you say 'possesses high level traits for a RS Sophomore', are you able to say anything about how his traits compare to the QB with more experience in the class ie Mayfield, Rudolph?
-am I correct that all 3 play in spread offenses and it's not clear how well their play will translate to the NFL? In particular how does Darnold handle making reads and progressions?
-the number of turnovers is concerning. can you say anything about where they're coming from, and how correctable they may be?
-given that he's accurate with it, is the weird-a** delivery a problem for the NFL eg is it related to the fumbles (more prone to strip sacks, say)
Thanks again - I know this is a butt load of work.
I'm not quibbling, but who are the top 3 QB prospects?
1) High level traits- The game is super fast for young QBs... most struggle to get the play in , set the team up and execute the play.
Darnold keeps his eyes downfield looking off safeties, has the ability to pump fake and set back up, His poise on the field is years beyond his age and he makes high end tough throws look routine.
Baker from his JR to SR season has improved tenfold even though the stats don't really show it... He also displays high level traits like Darnold ( Poise, looking off safeties , supreme touch ) but he has improved his game dramatically to where he is now a 1st round pick
Rudolph is like a steady Eddie. He doesnt really possess any high end traits... even though his deep ball is very good... he is a 3 year starter who has steadily improved yearly.. Out of those 3 , Darnold and Baker have the best makeup and most blue chip traits
2) yes , all 3 play in a spread system. Historically USC is very pro styled but they have gone more spread the last few years. It is still not a complete spread because a spread offense does not utilize a TE but USC does.
He is well beyond his age and experience when it comes to making reads And progressions. He has hiccups at times , especially when his internal clock runs out (will force a pass) but he isolates WRs pre snap and can move between them post snap
3) The turnovers are definitely a concern for me but i think it's correctable. He tries playing superman sometimes and doing to much
Like I also right above. He has a good internal clock and knows how long he has to throw. When that clock in his head goes off and he still has the ball he sometimes panics and makes a poor decision instead of throwing it away... I believe that's correctable
4) I personally HATE long deliveries in QBs... hated it in Tebow, Jameis Winston and Darnold
It usually can be a HUGE red flag for NFL QBs... the NFL is the best of the best in the world. The best DBs in the world
DBs see that long delivery coming and can break on the ball sooner. It's a game of inches and that couple of extra inches can be the difference between completion and interception
LUCKILY for Darnold , he has a very strong arm and can rocket passes into tight windows
His arm strength might mitigate the long delivery
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They are stacked, locked and loaded...
they are also bringing in a big time 4* recruit for next season
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Honestly when it comes to science, my rule of thumb is usually whatever the opposite Shaq and Geno think
since they both believe the earth is flat... you can bet your *** that it's not
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1 minute ago, Johnny Hammersticks said:
That’s an insult to dogs everywhere.
More like beluuuuga
Bills can kill 2 birds with 1 stone
in The Stadium Wall Archives
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Yea I know ! Doesn't look good . Feel bad for the kid