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    Preparing for Tre White to never be the same post-injury

    in The Stadium Wall

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    12 hours ago, Einstein said:

    This post may draw some knee-jerk reactions of anger, but please know that it wasn't written to make anyone upset. Unfortunately, the topic is naturally upsetting - We all love Tre White and want him to return to his typical dominant play. To that end, I've done some research on ACL injuries in NFL players. The common refrain from NFL fans is that ACL injuries are no longer the career-ender they once were, and I wanted to see if that was true. Unfortunately, research on players returning post ACL surgery is not optimistic, even in the modern era.

     

    One study, Return to Play and Decreased Performance After Anterior Cruciate Ligament Reconstruction in National Football League Defensive Players published in the The American Journal of Sports Medicine (2017), shows that:

     

    • After the season of surgery, athletes in the ACLR group who returned to play decreased to 57% games started and 2.38 ± 1.24 solo tackles per game, while their matched controls suffered no significant decreases. (link)


    And the result of the study indicated rather succinctly:

     

    • Players who successfully returned were above-average NFL players before their injury but comparatively average after their return.

     

    Another study, this one published in 2022, titled Return to Play and Performance After Anterior Cruciate Ligament Reconstruction in National Football League Players shows similar results. Published in the Orthopaedic Journal of Sports Medicine, the results stated:

     

    • Of the eligible players, only 28.5% (n = 59/207) remained in the league 3 years postinjury. Within the first 3 years postinjury, players played in fewer games (8.7 vs 13.7; P < .0001), started in fewer games (3.0 vs 8.3; P < .0001), had lower AVs (1.5 vs 4.3; P < .0001), and had decreased snap counts (259.0 vs 619.0; P < .0001) compared with preinjury. (link)

     

    The conclusion of the study is no better:

     

    • The study findings indicated that NFL players are severely affected by ACL injury, with only 28.5% still active in the league 3 years after the injury. Running backs, defensive linemen, and linebackers performed the worst after injury. v

     

    Lastly, a 2019 study that examined ACL tears in Wide Receivers (I used this study because the WR position requires similar impact on the ACL). This study is titled 

    Decreased Performance and Return to Play Following Anterior Cruciate Ligament Reconstruction in National Football League Wide Receivers. Published in The Arthroscopy Sports Medicine and Rehabilitation issue, the study found that:

     

    • When we compared the tear group with the matched control cohort, players with ACL tears ended their careers on an average of 1.9 seasons earlier (2.2 vs 4.1 seasons, P < .001) and also played less than half the number of games (25.5 vs 56.6 games, P = .001), respectively. Those that RTP also saw decreased performance statistics in targets (353.6 vs 125.2 P < .001), receptions (208.0 vs 74.4, P = .001), receiving yards (2691.0 vs 987.9, P = .001), and touchdowns (17.4 vs 6.2, P = .002). (link)
    • One potential good tidibt: "no significant differences were present between preinjury and postinjury in-game in all in-game statistics for the wide receiver"

     

    Overall Conclusion? Concern.

     

    There is a legitimate chance that Tre never returns to the level of play he showed in 2021 and prior, and there is a potential that his career will be shorter than we once thought.

     

     

    Study from 2006-2012 and you quote it here? I had a knee reconstruction including ACL in 1975, why don't you go back that far to make the numbers say what you want them to?

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    How many wings can you eat???? Allen eats a bunch apparently.

    in The Stadium Wall

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    7 minutes ago, Gugny said:

     

    I ate 7.  I pawned the rest off on anyone who wanted to try them. My son lasted one bite.  I think Fergy Jr., ate one.  No one else tried any.

     

    This was also the night before the tailgate during which @BringBackFergytook a nappy poo in his truck.

    He deserved a nap after winning the BB Sidewalk Championship belt with a KO.

     

    Mrs. Beerball says you ate 1. I'll let her know you're calling her a liar.

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    Your top 5 acting performances of all time

    in Off the Wall

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    23 hours ago, Royale with Cheese said:

    1. Daniel Day Lewis - Gangs of New York

    2. Christoph Waltz - Inglorious Bastards

    3. Samuel L Jackson - Pulp Fiction

    4. Dustin Hoffman - Rain Man

    5. Heath Ledger - The Dark Knight

     

    Other notable mentions:

    * Anthony Hopkins - Silence of the Lambs

    * Joe Pesci - Goodfellas

     

    1. Mrs. Beerball

    2. Mrs. Beerball

    3. Mrs. Beerball

    4. Mrs. Beerball

    5. @Gugny

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    Who’s still mad about 13 seconds?

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    1 hour ago, Just Jack said:

    I'm just gonna keep posting this anytime someone brings up that game....

     

    Several factors contributed to the loss

    1) 13 seconds

    2) they had all three time outs left

    3) they had Patrick Mahomes, Travis Kelce and Tyreek Hill

    4) some Bills players and coaches were already celebrating on the sidelines like the game was over

    5) they only needed a FG to tie and go to OT. 

     

    7) extremely poor communication & coaching.

    Who’s still mad about 13 seconds?

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    Posted

    45 minutes ago, njbuff said:

    Even though 4 months have gone by, I still can’t watch highlights or the full game.

     

    What are your thoughts?

    I still can't watch wide right and homerun throwback. You want me to relive 13 seconds? What happened during those few seconds is seared on my brain. You want I should watch "highlights" of those 13 seconds?

     

    To directly answer your question, I'm not mad, but I never need to see those seconds replayed again.

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    Mass shooting in Buffalo (Those wishing to exchange on the political aspects of this situation should do so in the thread located in PPP) - edit by moderator

    in Off the Wall

    Posted

    21 minutes ago, Nextmanup said:

    So we can all agree "this is horrible."

     

    But what can we all agree to do about this?

     

    This happens twice a week in this country!  And we never--as a society--do a THING about it!

     

    We love this stuff!  It's America's new national pastime!  Screw baseball!  We love mass shootings.

     

    I see big time politicians talking about this RIGHT NOW on CNN....

     

    You know what will be done?  NOTHING!

     

    Get ready to be sickened by the next one, too!

     

    🤝

    Coffers will be filled. Coffers on both sides of the aisle.

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    Any Baltimoreans On here?

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    Posted

    On 5/11/2022 at 10:57 AM, plenzmd1 said:

    Hey all, just booked a couple places on airbnb that can be cancelled in case the Thanksgiving rumors are correct. One of the nicer places is on Hamilton street in Pigtown. Now, i am an urban guy and don't mind a little grtittyness, but will have MIL with us and some folks who think Larkinville are the mean streets of WNY. 

     

    Anybody weigh in on the location? Only couple blocks from the stadium so would be perfect for game . Have a place few blocks away in Fed Hill too,,just not as nice. 

    Who are you?

    Whatever happened to Aaron Schobel?

    in The Stadium Wall

    Posted

    5 hours ago, EasternOHBillsFan said:

     

    This isn't about obsession, this is about showing up every once in a while actually acting like you played for the Bills instead of nothing, ESPECIALLY someone who played for the team for that long. It's just very bizarre..

    This is about obsession, yours. Nothing bizarre about it. Where's Joe D? Where's Big Ted? I could go on and on.

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