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We would have only needed an average defense that gave up fewer than 24 ppg the last two seasons and we would be in the playoffs. Tyrod is leading a top ten offense. Trent Dilfer threw for 1500 yards with 12 TDs and 11 INTs. There is no comparison between the two.

Went with Watson. There's a chance he becomes their "franchise" guy as early as this season. Doubt he'll be this year's Dak, but the job is wide open for him with a great defense in Houston. Mahomes is going into a great overall situation, but I don't see him winning the job over Smith anytime soon. I like Peterman and I hope he can become the guy. However, despite all the naysayers out there, Tyrod is the co-linchpin of a top-ten offense right now, and you don't just toss that aside to take a chance on a 5th round QB. Also, as a general rule I try not to jinx what little chances the Bills have by betting on them.

Actually, Pegula said Whaley ran the entire draft. McDermott also stated that Whaley made the first round trade happen. I'm sure McDermott had a lot more input than most first year head coaches, but the evidence does not support what you're saying.

Then don't bump it. Thanks for contributing.

What is it about his first two years that makes you so sure of this? Because from where I'm sitting on Sundays, he is looking more like an early retiree than a junior year breakout.

Well it can't be both "5 years of good-not-great CB play" AND "nothing to show for it" eh? Contradiction in terms.

Literally everyone not named Myles Garrett has a flaw or question. If the draft were a sure thing, we wouldn't have any busts to talk about.

Correct. They paid a lot to move up one spot for reasons that did not in any way include an arbitrary chart value. If another team were willing to give up more, the cost would have been higher. If no other teams were interested, the cost would have been lower.

Instead of simply looking up a word you didn't know, you claimed it doesn't exist. That is a pretty strong indicator of your level of debate. Yeah, that's exactly what we've been trying to tell you. There are examples of worse trades and examples of better trades. But they are all eventually determined by the actual value of players that each team acquired, which generally isn't known until the players get on the field. They can not be fairly judged based on chart values, because each one is based on a hundred variables independent of the nominal pick. You think a player we could have gotten at #10 is worth more than the one we got at #27 plus the ones we'll get in the 3rd round and next year's 1st round? Fine. I disagree, but everyone is entitled to an opinion. I just don't think basing your opinion on a static chart value holds much merit when we see the true values of draft trades fluctuate so wildly compared to the chart values.

I've seen this argument a lot, and I certainly respect the hazards of attempting to predict future NFL drafts. However, this year's QB draft class was predicted to be weak since before last year's draft and those predictions turned out to be mostly accurate. The difference between the opinions of the next year's QB draft class for 2017 and 2018, when each were still a year beyond, are so drastic that I can't help but be hopeful about next year's class.

Thanks. Wasn't sure if you'd be able to follow. You and the Bears GM can justify that trade based on the chart, but the actual value favors the 49ers immensely. They gave up literally nothing and got several high picks in return. Your infallible, all-knowing chart does not apply in every situation, alas.

Might have re-evaluated that position when his defense **** the bed after Norman left.

Run the numbers on how many future #1 overall picks you would have to trade to get this year's #1 overall pick using the "1-round deduction" for future drafts. Never gonna happen. These are guidelines, not straight math. Also, everyone already knows the Bears got fleeced hard, so the fact that the numbers line up almost exactly should tell you how inaccurate they are.

A significant part of being a successful quarterback is putting an absurd amount of hours into game preparation. If you need your agent to help you prepare or you choose not to prepare at all, I would think that would be more damning in the eyes of NFL scouts than would a low score.

Hogwash. Quarterback is the most important position in the NFL by far, but it is not as important as all the others combined, by far. Non-playoff teams with top tier quarterbacks: Colts, Saints, Chargers, Panthers, Bengals. Other non-playoff teams with franchise quarterbacks: Buccaneers, Titans, Ravens.

Not many people would dispute that Whaley has a knack for finding cheap free agents that produce. Unfortunately, in terms of the responsibilities of a GM, that skill is tertiary to drafting and retaining skilled players. In those two areas, he is bottom of the barrel.

Does saying it slower help you process your own bull ****? It matters not one whit whether the player was a street UFA or not. His value was in his production, not in his draft status. Would you trade Tom Brady for a third round pick? No, because that argument is asinine.

We'd have to hit on more players in a single draft than we have in the last four years to make that a reality. Ditto.

We have far too many glaring holes in our roster to consolidate that many picks, unfortunately.

Actually, those of us who supported assigning him a second round tender are well aware of that fact. We are also well aware of the fact that we will now have to pay more to keep him than if we had done so, which seems to be the detail that eludes you. Another fact that seems to escape your understanding is that the Patriots just offered him more money than a second round tender is worth, so the idea that no one would have traded a second round pick for him is now moot. So, there you go. The two most relevant facts support the argument that we should have placed a second round tender on him. And both of those facts were obvious from the start. It shouldn't have been hard for an NFL GM to deduce the sequence of events that followed. Hell, half the fan base saw it coming.

Imagine if Tyrod had Sammy to throw to. Wouldn't be the best QB/WR tandem in the league, but it would still be nice.

And the award for Most Obnoxious Post goes to... What a bunch of petulant nitpickery. If you are arguing that the Bills haven't been dominated by the Patriots in the Brady / Belichick era, you have already lost the debate, and no amount of middle school debate class semantics will save you.

Safety is a huge concern. I fear we will be watching a lot of big plays being given up next year if we can't figure that out. Losing Aaron the last couple years to injury and then permanently this off-season has, in my opinion, consistently created the biggest hole on our team. After that: WR, CB, RT, and LB in that order.

I don't think CJ would even be in the top five for me. He proved his value when we had an offensive coach who knew how to use him. He was an absolute baller that year, and that's more than a lot of first rounders can claim. I'd go with: Mike Williams, JP Losman, or Aaron Maybin. Not sure which of the three to choose for the top spot.

I think this lends a lot of credence to the suspicion that coaches and GM's saw what we saw: he mailed it in during the second half of the season. Couple that with the historical trend of Rex's schemes making LB's look better than they actually are, and Zach is going to be very disappointed. I hope we get him back on a one-year deal, he learns his lesson and goes balls to the wall from start to finish, and then we have enough cap space next year to re-sign him at a value closer to his full potential.