4th&long
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30 minutes ago, Doc said:
Hoax.
From the party that is afraid of Putin and kisses his ass. I will always laugh at you guys. You would sell out America to Putin.
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18 minutes ago, ComradeKayAdams said:
What unavailable raw data are you talking about?! Stratosphere temps? Just use the most recent decades of data that NOAA and NASA-GISS have made publicly available. To reiterate: we’re looking for an explanation of HOW THE STRATOSPHERE IS COOLING WHILE THE TROPOSPHERE IS WARMING.
And yes, I do believe that government-directed money allocation can influence planetary climate to some extent. That’s pretty much one of the main realized corollaries that come from acknowledging greenhouse effect physics! Probably more accurately: I believe that private industries, through technological innovations based on government-funded research, will play a bigger role than various carbon pricing strategies (carbon tax, cap-and-trade schemes, etc.) meant to modify human energy consumption behavior.
(100)/(1 billion) = (10^2)/(10^9) = 10^(-7) = 0.0000001 = 0.00001%...so you were missing a zero…but point taken lol! Your question is a really good one: do we have sufficient data from a large enough time span to make such definitive climate science claims?
I would say we do. For one thing, if you look at scatterplots of temperature data versus time and analyze the regression lines (the relative positions and the slopes) which describe the climate behavior, you’ll quickly see that a rule-of-thumb minimum of about three decades is perfectly reasonable for defining a given region’s climate.
Moreover, we’re looking for the following criteria to give us scientific confidence:
1. A logically reasoned hypothesis that is experimentally falsifiable.
2. Reliable methods of data collection with sufficient precision.
3. Statistically large enough sample sizes of data.
4. A consistent data signal trend that is well above thermal noise.
5. A process of elimination for all other explanatory factors.
The latter-most criterion is what distinguishes surface temperatures and (to some extent) ocean temperatures from stratosphere temperatures. With surfaces and oceans, we have plenty of pre-Industrial Revolution earth science evidence, with confluence, that so far rule out all known natural explanations for climate change.
For stratosphere temperature data, we’re mostly relying on the strength of the first criterion I listed. But fortunately, the stratosphere is a lot less complicated than the troposphere in the sense that there are way fewer feedback control system inputs to understand. And even before the days in which air balloons and airplanes and satellites were routinely traversing the stratosphere (even before we knew of the stratosphere’s existence, really), tabletop experiments were performed of the energy absorption/emission behavior of molecules like carbon dioxide, nitrogen, oxygen, ozone, and whatever else might finds its way into this atmosphere layer.
So basically, geophysicists already had well-articulated predictions of how an atmospheric layer sitting above another layer of increasing carbon dioxide density might cool and contract. Modern temperature data from satellites simply confirmed this strong hypothesis. But if the anthropogenic climate change skeptics have an alternate explanation, then by all means…
Regarding temperature recordings: official ones are always taken in the shade. The purpose of the recording is strictly to measure the air’s temperature, which is just a single aggregate number that quantifies the average energy of the air molecules. So to accurately measure this, the air sample needs to be isolated from any additional energy coming directly from the Sun (in the form of electromagnetic radiation).
Actually, all that I told you about the ozone was that its well-studied behavior can’t explain the observed cooling and contraction of the stratosphere. But since you brought it up lol…yes, it’s in much better shape since that 1987 Montreal Protocol which banned the international use of certain industrial chemicals. Yay government intervention!! A rare victory for Mother Earth over laissez-faire cultists!
Addressing the rest of your post content:
1. Climate change fatalism is a completely unacceptable philosophy because of the potential triggering of climate change tipping points (ice sheets, permafrost, ocean currents, coral reef health, rainforests, boreal forests, etc.).
2. It would have been helpful if our country had planned much earlier for an electric car economy and a modernized electrical grid. In this regard, I mostly blame the festering culture of climate change denialism and government-hating libertarian fanaticism.
3. What constitutes a global population limit is subjective. What’s the expected quality of living? Land, freshwater, and food are finite resources. Tech advances in agriculture have pushed back the more alarming overpopulation predictions, but there is a limit. A certain percentage of Earth’s land must also be reserved for forests (preferably old-growth ones), if you’re at all concerned about climate change. Also: go vegan to reduce land usage and reduce greenhouse gas footprints!
4. I don’t know who exactly has been claiming that we’ll run out of oil or when they made these claims, but it is still technically a nonrenewable energy resource. Technological improvements in extraction and refining, as well as places that have become open for resource extraction, are pretty significant variables that have allowed for an enormous range of predictions.
5. U.S. Clean Air Act amendments dramatically reduced acid rain! It’s one of the best examples, in fact, of the potential of cap-and-trade schemes.
Kay for the win! Someone who obviously educated themselves on a subject before trying to comment on it. Awesome.
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Trump stock is going down faster than Marjorie Taylor green at a Nazi rally!
Bloomberg removed him from their billionaires list! LOL 😂
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The funny thing is you dumb asses will believe anything shitler says. Just like he didn’t raise $50 mil. He will say anything for a vote. LOL at you for being suckered in. And don’t come at me telling me you believe him because that will just confirm how *****en stupid you are!
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26 minutes ago, zow2 said:
As i told some friends where I live....if you want to go to the one spot on earth to be let down in sports and weather...go to Buffalo. Guaranteed to let you down.
Except for Wings. Those we do better than anyone else on earth.
I didn’t think much about the eclipse leading up to today. My wife and kids were disappointed. I told her if I knew you were all looking forward to it I would have went somewhere else to watch it. I told her weeks ago it would be cloudy today. I don’t even look at the weather report anymore and I knew it would be cloudy. It’s WNY. It’s an arm pit!
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That was some lame ass *****. What a let down!i feel for the poor bastards that flew into Niagara Falls. Don’t people do their research? Wny is an arm pit!
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12 minutes ago, Orlando Tim said:
Not sure how old you are but I am certain you live somewhere liberal and likely don't travel much. Our country is not garbage, most of it is great, even places like NYC will be great again when they get real leaders. Before I started teaching I had a job where I worked in 50+ cities over 7 years and the only two I really disliked was LA and Vegas, because it was the only place where it seemed most people were willing to lie to get ahead. Our country is awesome, but in general we still have crap politicians.
I have seen a lot of our country and want to see more. It is a beautiful country. I have never went to visit an area or not visit an area more importantly based on politics. I never said our country is garbage, I’m not sure how you got that from that post? I don’t travel overseas because I want to see our country. In fact my dream vacation is to rent an RV and take about a month and drive across the country.
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4 minutes ago, JDHillFan said:
Thank you for being willing to play the role of referee/hall monitor. You seem to enjoy that. To each his own.
No problem bro. I came here thinking I might learn something (after wanting to stir the pot) but that would be impossible when people are still fighting about ***** that happened 3-4 years ago. The only thing I’ve learned is this country is ***** no matter who wins!
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14 minutes ago, JDHillFan said:
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Nice work
And? Are my posts fighting about the pandemic? That is what I was commenting on, that’s the direction this has taken.
if your shelves weren’t bare in stores around you it wasn’t because of anything your politicians did that’s for sure. You were mostly just lucky and you should get on your knees and thank the almighty and be thankful!
i talked to a friend of mine today I haven’t seen for a while, came up from North Carolina for a visit. She had 3 family members die from COVID and 1 in the hospital for 3 months. Stfu and be thankful!
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I can’t believe you guys fight about this stuff? Sad. I didn’t realize bills fans were this stupid? Now I know who the Jack assess are who jump thru tables lol.
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You started a new thread to say that? That’s all you got? Pathetic!
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7 minutes ago, muppy said:
greetings. Not yet. The issue is nowhere near as frequent as it was. It nagged for quite a while. But has seemingly remedied itself. I'm sure a visit at this point wouldn't hurt. But I also am considering accupuncture. I do know a practitioner there personally. He is an ER MD as well as accupuncture practitioner with an office in Encinitas devoted to it. At least he did pre COVID.
thank you for asking. 🙂
I’m sure he could give you the best advice. He probably knows a good chiro also.
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Muppy did you decide to go? Did it help?
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My yard. Hopefully it’s not cloudy.
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Trump The Nazi
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You know what I’m saying. If you can’t understand that you shouldn’t get involved in any conversation. What do they say about if you keep your mouth shut we might think you are dumb. If you open your mouth we know you are dumb!