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5 minutes ago, Pete said:
Alright, I am finally sold that Zay will not be on roster. My guess is they trade him, if they can get anything. We are keeping 6 WR IMO
Brown
Beasley
Foster(an offseason where he worked with Josh)
Roberts
Duke(potential #1 way more upside than Zay)
Sills or Easley- both these kids can play! I think at least one of them will show more than Zay. I really liks Sills
Duke and Sills would be red zone targets. Brown and Foster speed. Easley and Beasley slot. Roberts return. What's Zay's role? Sills seems much more sure handed. Sorry Zay. Sills is going to eat you alive
I asked this a while ago and Alpha you responded well to it, but I think it can be updated after FA and the draft. If Beane wants receivers who have different roles then my only question is if any WR we have blocks as well as Zay. If no one else is as good of a blocker as him, I think it will be hard for them to let him go.
I wonder if Zay's improvement in blocking was the final nail in the coffin that made Holmes expendable.
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10 minutes ago, aristocrat said:
I mean Trent Murphy got 7 mil per after an injured year. If shaq has a decent year he could be looking at that
Which would still be a bargain.
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3 hours ago, Rc2catch said:
I think the receiving group looks amazing honestly. They all bring their own unique thing to the team.
I do think it’s gonna be
Brown
Foster
Beasley
Zay
Roberts
then whoever wins 6.
But I don’t think it’ll be McKenzie
Roberts is our returner, but I think he’ll also get used on the offense similar to McKenzie last year with jet sweeps and screens etc etc that kinda “weapon”
The rest will surely have a heck of a battle for that one spot.
If Roberts can replace Mckenzie then Mckenzie is out, otherwise I think Mckenzie has a good shot at it. Beane's comments about different guys who have different roles seems to suggest they'll want at least one guy who can do the jet sweeps. We had some really good runs last year off that.
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3 hours ago, BringBackOrton said:
Dude, you aren't even making sense.
1. Completely irrelevant.
2. The corner of what? Needing to draft a QB in the first because there wasn't one on the roster? Like uh, Beane and McD did last year?
3. Of course they can. We watched the Eagles go from 10-6 HC fired, new HC, trade up to #2 for QB (mortgaging the future), 7-9 to 13-3 and a Superbowl win. Are you contending that they shouldn't have traded up for Wentz? Or does it really not matter?
4. This is where you cross over into outright delusion. Do you know why? Because no one second-guesses the Watkins trade anymore because it was 5 freaking years ago. Everybody cried about "we lost a first round pick," but we've picked in the first round 3 times since then. Still not sure if we have a QB or not. So what did it set back, really? How set back are the Eagles, or the Rams?
The Watkins move didn't set back *****. You think if we didn't do it, we'd draft Petty and be winners. That's ridiculous.
I don't have all the answers, but I know when 2+2 doesn't equal 5.
I think what the difference between Whaley/Rex/Marrone vs Beane/McDermott is the hope that with the later, any mistake will be owned and adjusted sooner rather than stories of a pissing contest between a coach during training camp with the GM daring the GM to fire him because the QB is so bad.
I think for your point earlier, you are absolutely correct in that the way Whaley handled EJ and Beane with Allen through the draft are practically one and the same. It could be argued that Whaley did a better job as he managed to trade down and acquire two NFL caliber receivers for EJ. Although, I can't remember if that was the year we signed that G from the Rams who was terrible, where our plan was for him to be less terrible.
I think it is this draft that JW is saying distinguishes Beane from Whaley as he is building a core of solid players that ideally won't weigh us down if Allen doesn't work out and not sacrificing draft picks in the future. With Whaley we were lucky that Tyrod, an unknown at the time, happened to be more competent than Cassell and EJ. I don't know about you, but I think our current QB group is better though perhaps by not as much as I'd want it to be.
I think with Beane's acquisition of free agents who are solid this year, that we could have a system of gaining comp picks starting next free agency and the blueprint seems better for sustained success.
Obviously it all depends on Allen. No one will care what we traded for him (same as Wentz and Goff) if he pans out. Otherwise, we'll lament the trade similar to the Cardinals for Rosen or Redskins for RG3.
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It has to be Fitz. Tyrod looked terrible last year (although to be fair, he was playing for Hue) and as a board I think the consensus was that we'd go 4-12 if Barkley was the starter.
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I think earlier in the off-season the Bills were placed at 6 wins. So we're still undervalued, but the public perception is that we're improving.
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Rosen's is especially troublesome. Average or below everywhere and below average more than the rest of the guys.
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LT Dawkins
LG Spain
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RG Long
RT Nsekhe
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On 4/13/2019 at 4:16 AM, SoTier said:
The Bills have demonstrated an almost magical ability to trade up to take the wrong player, which is an indictment of how bad their scouting and personnel decision making have been over the decades -- and that seems to regardless of the regime. Their more recent trade up faux pas include trading back into the 1st in 2004 to draft JP Losman when they could have taken Matt Schaub in the 2nd or even maybe the third and gotten a significantly better QB -- or they could have simply waited until 2005 to take Aaron Rodgers with their #18 pick. Russ Brandon and Dick Jauron traded back into the first round in 2006 to take John McCargo who barely played because of injury issues so just about anybody else would have been a better pick. In 2012 Buddy Nix traded up in the third round to take forgettable WR TJ Graham instead of taking QB Russell Wilson. In 2014, the Bills traded their 2014 and 2015 first round picks to draft WR Sammy Watkins rather than Odell Beckham Jr or Mike Evans. Finally, Brandon and McDermott traded up in the 2nd round in 2017 to take Zay Jones rather than JuJu Smith-Schuster. Hopefully, Beane breaks the pattern because he traded up twice in the first round of the 2018 draft to take Josh Allen and/or Tremaine Edmunds.
The only challenge with that criteria is that the odds of being THAT successful are <1%. Pretty much any trade up will leave at least one player who will be more talented.
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ESPN puts Oliver as the 3rd best player of this draft, so I like it.
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1 hour ago, NewEra said:
Whether or not they got the wrong QB is still debatable. I think he’s going to be an excellent QB long term
He's a great prospect though it's going to be harder for him to prove it if they keep trading away draft picks.
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30 minutes ago, Forward Progress said:
More QB's taken ahead of our pick is great news.
My biggest fear with Snyder taking the reigns is that it is the Jets who walk away with a bounty of picks from the 'Skins.
Even if the Jets get a boatload of picks they would be out of the top 10. I'm kind of conflicted as to which we benefit more from.
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8 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:
The Patriots have made something like 55-60 trades in the draft since BB got there. It is almost 1/3, 1/3, 1/3 trading up, trading back and trading for a player. People always think of them just trading down but they actually are all over when it comes to the moves that they make.
I guess I fell for that narrative. That's good to know.
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New England trading up, that's bold. I'm so used to them trading down.
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Anytime they beat NE, because at this point, anytime NE loses it's cathartic.
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34 minutes ago, Cornette's Commentary said:
You don't know that. Injuries and bad defense could result in a 5-11/4-12 season, which means handing the Jets a top 5 pick in 2020 that could yield them Trey Smith, Jerry Jeudy, Derrick Brown or AJ Epenesa.
Are you saying that you could accept any of those outcomes?Yeah kind of like what happened to Houston, with Watson they looked like a team on the rise and after his injury they ended up giving the Browns the 4th pick in the draft.
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Interesting. Safety looks fairly reliable although I'm then reminded of Lil' Donte who was a pro-bowler.
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23 hours ago, GreggTX said:
7 or 8 wins is reasonable. At least we'll have a rushing attack, but our defense will slip. We'll be surrendering rushing yards to opponents in big chunks and Josh Allen will continue to throw too many picks.
You think the loss of Kyle is going to have that big of an impact on our D? We've retained everyone else.
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I expect him to be similar to Shady for us when we first acquired him. Has to be accounted for and can take over games at times, while also not being able to do enough on his own to make the team a serious contender.
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Is it, 2nd round players are contracted for 4 years while 3rd round and beyond it's for 3 years? I wouldn't be surprised for Beane to trade back into the 2nd round if there is a player he likes, kind of like what they did for Zay.
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4 hours ago, mjt328 said:
I enjoy reading Pro Football Focus. But their grades are just like any other statistic, and should not be taken as gospel.
For instance, Tre'Davious White was the 88th ranked cornerback in the NFL last year. Most of the Bills fans who watch him every week think White should have been in the Pro Bowl. Yet his PFF score was lower than almost every CB on our roster, including Phillip Gaines (who we cut mid-season).
In terms of upgrading the O-Line, there weren't too many options on the market who blew away PFF's grading system.
Trent Brown, Matt Paradis, Roger Saffold and Ju'Wuan James were also "above average" in 2018, according to the PFF scoring system. Daryl Williams was average. Along with Morse, those guys were the premier free agent options according to virtually everyone who covers the NFL. If you are basing everything off PFF grades alone, there is nothing Beane could have done to earn your approval.
At the end of the day, every free agent is someone who was considered expendable by their previous team. For whatever reason. Unless it's purely a money/salary cap issue, you will almost never see premium, All-Pro, Top 5 players on the market. Many are coming off injuries (Morse) or declining because of age. Some were improperly used and coming off poor seasons (Spencer Long). Very often, the ones who get the biggest contracts are inconsistent and overrated - and the only ones who know it are the teams letting them walk. That doesn't mean free agents aren't valuable and can't make an impact. It's just more proof that the Draft is where a front office needs to focus on truly upgrading the roster. Free agency is about filling holes with solid veteran depth.
In my opinion, Beane is playing the free agency game correctly. He's filling holes across the roster with solid players. But he's also got his eyes on the future, knowing our long-term success depends on drafting well and then having the cap room to re-sign our own guys (like White, Milano) when they come up in a few years. Teams like the Jets are blowing all of their cap space on a few players, and will not be able to keep the bulk of this roster intact for longer than 1-2 years.
To add to this, PFF is really the only service that attempts to grade players in a systematic manner and they are still figuring out a lot of information as well. Like you said, PFF is a great guide, but is learning as it goes.
Scheme can affect PFF grades significantly as well. The year after Mario and Bradham left Rex's scheme, both improved by about 30 points on PFF's scale. With any luck our new O-line coach will serve as a significant upgrade.
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1 hour ago, Devilmann said:
Being criticized for being a journalist is the name of the game. Being told to kill yourself is far from ok even if people don’t agree with someone.
Well said. If a person criticizes Rodak, it suggests that person is a fan. Telling Rodak to kill himself, suggests that the person who said that needs A LOT of therapy.
18 minutes ago, eball said:Yeah, I think Lori is in love with him
Does she ever post here anymore? There have been a lot of members who have come and gone.
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1 minute ago, Alphadawg7 said:
You mean 4 new OL
Thank you for that. So much has happened in the last 2 days I forgot to include Long in this.
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52 minutes ago, eball said:
Does somebody want to rethink the thread title? If the Jests don't sign Bell this FA period has suddenly become a disaster. Overpaid for Moseley, lost Paradis, had-and-then-lost Barr.
Oh wait, they got Jamison Crowder. Yay.
I wonder how much Gase and Greg play a factor in players wanting to/or not wanting to play there.
Lawson's 5th yr option ($9.451M) declined & Ziggy update
in The Stadium Wall Archives
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I agree with Sammy not living up to his status. Seeing the Rams trade a 2nd round pick and EJ Gaines for him AND KC paying him 13 million a year suggests that he is better than "mediocre at best." Sammy's problem is his health.