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Hah! You misunderstand me my friend. I don't have any anger at trump over this, though I did get worked up over his comments about "numbers" related to the Grand Princess docking in the US. My issue is that I stubbornly think I can convince trumpers that he is not infallible. I've made this same argument--that he was more concerned about the stock market than the virus--since March 1st, but there seems to be a large group here that refuses to believe he is capable of error. In fact, I'd suggest you go back and read this thread starting from the last week in February to see how many were parroting the trump lines that the virus was no worse than the flu--the new democratic hoax. I even suggested that this would be his undoing in the election, so I can see why the acolytes resist the idea--he IS infallible! From my perspective, It seems clear to me that you have to be pretty biased not see how he changed from February through March 16th. One has to deny that he said we only had 15 cases and it will be zero soon. Or that Kudlow and others were saying we have it contained. Don't want any pessimistic views impacting the stock market. Hell, he tweeted again about the stock market's performance this week. He's very focused... As for China, my focus has been on the US response once it hit. That editorial I posted suggested China was lying as of Jan 30th; Navarro was trying to get trump's attention at the same time. So, to me, that's just another excuse to explain trump's lack of urgency for those who can't seem to blame him for anything. Was China lying? Yes, and our national security people knew it (Navarro knew it) and the admin was briefed on just how severe the threat was. It's never trump's fault, and there is no buck on his desk.... As for Fauci and Birx, what do you think would happen to those two if they contradicted the admin's line and said our response was was not as good as it possibly could be? I mean, this is the guy who is the best, the greatest at everything, no?

I blamed some others in my last response to you. Yes, anyone who allowed large social gatherings deserves blame. That doesn't absolve trump though. That's the old "but they did it too" excuse.... This is an interesting editorial by the guy who recommended the pandemic czar position on the NSC. There's a lot in it and he published it Jan 30th. https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2020/01/now-trump-needs-deep-state-fight-coronavirus/605752/ My issue all along is that trump was more concerned about the economy early on than the impact from the virus. More and more is coming out to support this point. Navarro’s memo around the same time as the editorial above. A recent NYT piece about that debate within the admin: https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/11/us/politics/trump-coronavirus-response-takeaways.html?smid=fb-share&fbclid=IwAR0KiZKRBk_vcqWIkcajX_LOO1Nlmy4diaGmecuBIT1J-k6ncJDMjMrcoaM Wall Street finally slapped him in the face when the market tanked after the Fed cut rates to zero (and trump was so giddy that night saying wall street would be happy). He finally started acting presidential in that Monday presser, and I said that in a post here. Unfortunately, he’s taking it to another extreme, using the daily presser as his campaign events…. There is no doubt that the virus was going to hit, and I don’t think many lives could’ve been saved had the virus taken precedent with him March 1st instead of March 16th (the real damage was done by the CDC/FDA testing fiasco during February) However, it is clear to me that he changed after that, and his statements throughout indicate this.

Having "managed" the Jets in Virgil's last draft, I picked Jeudy at 11 because I thought he was a top 10 pick vs OT Thomas who I wasn't certain he could be an LT. However, had we been able to trade, my goal would've been to trade back a few picks, ideally with Denver at 15, pick up an extra R3 (giving them 3 in R3), then select Chaisson ahead of the Falcons. The Jets had a top 10 D last year, and were top 2 in run D. They are a pass-rusher away from being top 5, so that one pick makes them nearly complete on D (they could use another CB). I really wouldn't be surprised to see the Jets take Chaisson somehow. They could upgrade the RT position in R2, even move near the end of R1 packaging one of their R3 picks.

The death rate per million is very relevant, but the comparison you were trying to make was not correct. You came into this thread a little later than some, so if you look back at my posts, I always acknowledged that the China ban was a good move, however, they squandered the advantage it gave them by thoroughly screwing up getting the testing up to a rapid scale. This summarizes it: https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/09/politics/coronavirus-testing-cdc-fda-red-tape-invs/index.html As for underestimating the impact, the security briefings in January and February are well known now, as is the fact that some of our eminent congress critters used the inside info to sell and or buy stock. In addition, there were very early estimates of the contagion factor that showed it was very contagious. Even some early study's by American researchers: https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.02.07.20021154v1 It's pretty clear the Administration is doing damage control...and looking to blame anyone but themselves...

I was in the corner of the endzone where Tasker nearly scored on that kickoff return. While it was cold, I think I've felt colder at other games where I wasn't mentally prepared for it as that one.

Wow! Surprised Simpson never went. I know less about Williams, but trust your board. For the final TBD draft, I'd still like to see another 3-rounder with trades (the Jests "could've been contenders" with trades....), but maintain a strict 2-hour limit, with obvious down time over night--say, midnight to 7 am EST? Whatever works for our fearless leader though....thanks @Virgil!

That measure for deaths is not really relevant unless every country is at a similar point along the curve. We'll see how the US fares eventually at the end of this. This type of pandemic has been discussed and prepared for going back to Bush Jr. The most recent "exercise" was Last October. We've gone over this, but the outcome is dependent on how quickly we acted, especially with the ability to test. That was a complete fiasco here. Deblasio, to a certain extent Cuomo, and the Federal Government were slow to act. Newsom was not. The US is more like handful of countries, not one contiguous one... Trump initially hoped it would just go away so his economy would not be harmed, and his media interactions showed this. Then, he finally figured out if he showed leadership that it would help him. Now you can't shut him up....

So you're saying they never saw the possibility of a pandemic that wouldn't need this level of testing? Nor did they have any simulations in the recent past? Sorry, this smacks of CYA...

I look at nfl.com draft tracker as a source.

Kushner, this guy shouldn't be anywhere near any type of decision-making... Two articles that I won't be surprised if they are related: https://news.yahoo.com/hospitals-feds-seizing-masks-other-210748808.html https://www.jpost.com/Israel-News/US-Department-of-Defense-give-1-million-masks-to-IDF-for-coronavirus-use-623976 The last one came across my twitter feed yesterday, indicating the title of the article had been changed from originally stating the supplies were delivered by US military transport: http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/55030.htm If you click on the referred to tweet, it gets into the change in the original article.

Sounds like your view or model has changed on this?

Back in the "War Zoom," the NY Jets awake from their slumber to discuss their second selection in the third round of the 2021 NFL draft, or at least it seems that long…. The Jets have one more pressing need to address in this draft, an edge rusher. Had they been allowed to trade, they would’ve moved up a few spots to take Terrel Lewis with their other R3 pick, but alas rules are rules… Greggo W and the coaching staff are debating the merits of two prospects, Uche, a relatively known quantity, vs Alton Robinson, another prospect that is more athletic (he had the 3rd best 40 time among edge rushers), has a higher ceiling, but is somewhat raw. Uche would be used more like the Bills’ Alexander, moved around the line in pass rushing situations; however, they really need an edge rusher to complement strong-side LB Jordan Jenkins, who had 8 of the teams 35 sacks in 2019 (S Adams was second on the team). The staff decide to go with upside again: With the 79th selection in the 2020 NFL draft, the NY Jests select Alton Robinson, edge, Syracuse. @aristocrat and the Las Vegas Raiders are on the clock... In a recent mock, Matt Miller had Robinson going to the Falcons in R2, and NFL.com tracker has him listed as the fifth best edge rusher. I’d be interested to hear other opinions on Robinson… As for the Jets' draft overall, they are happy with their first two selections of WR Jeudy and CB Gladney, and had they been able to trade they would've tried to make some moves that allowed them to get two players who could easily come in and start or contribute significantly at RT and edge, rather than two prospects who will see limited playing time. Always fun though! Thanks Virgil.

He certainly won't select my pick, since he took Chaisson in R1.

He post and ran...

If Lewis slides to the second round when the Bills are up, I'd be very happy if they grabbed him, despite his injury history. A round 1 talent.

The Jets wake up to find their nightmare scenario is real...seeing their RT go 3 picks earlier, now Greg Williams is sent into a spittle fueled rage as Lewis is plucked right in front of them.... regrouping, with the 68th pick in the 2020 nfl draft, the NY Jets select Prince Tega Wanogho, OT Auburn. The prince is more athletic and has a higher ceiling than Wilson, but is relatively raw as he only started playing football in his senior year of high school. However, he could be Darnold’s blind-side protector in the near future. @Kirby Jackson and the Panthers are on the clock.

? The Jets are very disappointed by this selection. They thought he would slip to them if the Bengals passed...

The musical chairs of excuses continues...blame obama.. The administration attracts grifters...

The Jets' paranoia regarding tampering was just that. While we would like to take our RT with this pick, we simply can't pass up both the value and need this pick represents, and we are very happy, no "glad," to make this selection: with the 48th pick in the 2020 NFL Draft, the NY Jests select Jeff Gladney, CB TCU. The Jets really needed to make an investment in a young CB, and Gladney has the skills to play both man and zone. Greggo is a happy man, and will most likely move the inconsistent Pierre Desir to Nickel, pairing Gladney on the outside with Brian Poole. @billspro and the Stillers are on the clock....

The NYJets are considering legal filing of tampering if the Cowboys don't cease and desist until after the Jets pick...

It's certainly something Beane has no issues doing. How far up would/should they go?

Exactly. I know someone associated with the org who is in the room on draft day. He said in the past he would get snippets on who they might take, but with Beane it's very very close to the vest.

If Becton was there, then that was the pick. Didn't want to use 11 on a RT.

The Jets were 100% correct. With the only other legitimate LT worthy of #11 gone (they would've moved Fant to RT), the Jets want to give Darnold a legitimate #1 and they get to flip a coin to choose, in their view, one of the 2 best in the draft. With the 11th pick in the 2020 NFL draft, the NY Jests pick (in the voice of Cary Grant), jerry Jeudy, Jeudy, Jeudy, WR Alabama. Jeudy gives the Jets a true #1 (breshad who?) and turns what was a pedestrian receiving core into One that rivals the Bills as top in the AFCE. @aristocrat and the Raiders are on the clock...