LeGOATski
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1 hour ago, GoBills808 said:
I guess you and OP can pat each other on the back from your emotional high ground? Like what is the point of this seriously, nobody thinks they know more than an actual NFL front office.
Yeah man, absolutely nobody. Keep telling yourself that.
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9 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:
I think it's convenient that people like to remind other people to practice humility when they have a difference of opinion on a particular subject
Also not what it is. I wanted Legette, one of the top Centers, and Troy Franklin or Tez Walker. I'm not crying on the message board that the FO should be fired. The OP has noted the other players he wanted too.
So no, it's not "difference of opinion" that leads to one wanting to remind people about humility, it's just grown humans acting like babies.
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This is especially important this off-season because of the transition. Get Kincaid, Shakir, Coleman, and Samuel all on the same page with Josh and the new scheme. That is our passing game and it's maybe the most critical component towards determining this season's success.
16 hours ago, JohnBonhamRocks said:I think we can all agree: too little too late
It's April
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Bills 2024 draft class:
Pick 33: WR Keon Coleman, Florida State
Pick 60: S Cole Bishop, Utah
Pick 95: DT DeWayne Carter, Duke
Pick 128: RB Ray Davis, Kentucky
Pick 141: C/G Sedrick Van Pran-Granger, Georgia
Pick 160: LB Edefuan Ulofoshio, Washington
Pick 168: DE Javon Solomon, Troy
Pick 204: T Tylan Grable, UCF
Pick 219: CB Daequan Hardy, Penn State
Pick 221: G Travis Clayton, International Player Pathway
Who I would've picked instead:
(For the record, I would've taken Legette at 32.)
Pick 33: C Zach Frazier, West Virginia
Pick 60: WR Troy Franklin, Oregon
Pick 95: S Kamron Kinchens, Miami
Pick 128: CB TJ Tampa, Iowa State
Pick 141: RB Audric Estime, Notre Dame
Pick 160: DE Javon Solomon, Troy (same as Bills, but earlier)
Pick 168: WR Malik Washington, Virginia
Pick 204: OT Tylan Grable, UCF (same as Bills)
Pick 219: WR Brendan Rice, USC
Pick 221: TE Devin Culp, Washington
I went with plenty of offense, especially fliers on athletic receivers, including the 7th round TE. Addressed a few needs on defense with guys I think could develop into good starters.
26 minutes ago, NewEra said:And here’s the perfect example
Imagine if we took a slot WR before an X? But knowing that Franklin was available with our 3rd pick allows you to add yet another slot WR before the X.
with the 60th pick, the Buffalo bills select their 3rd string slot WR.
I like Wilson. I think he’s landed in a great spot. There’s just no way we could’ve taken him in rd 2 unless we knew which WRs would be availble in rd 3.
Sorry, I think it’s a stupid game. I’d recommend starting the game while the draft is going on and make your picks in real time so you don’t have the benefit of knowing which positions/players you can wait on due to players slipping.
I honestly went with guys I was wanting at the time of the draft, like Troy Franklin in round two. In the earlier threads I was calling that the Bills would take a C/G then a WR with their first two picks. I also asked for Malik Washington multiple times in the draft thread.
Probably not the best exercise, but it is fun.
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4 minutes ago, hondo in seattle said:
Well, I'm admittedly Debi from Depew too and I don't. But I suppose some versions do.
I propose a new requirement for posting mock drafts: You first have to submit tasteful nudes.
4 minutes ago, Sweats said:The only Debbie i know is the one who does Dallas......
I know a ton of Debbie's on this board....but they're Debbie Downers.
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2 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:
I meant the fact that the FO knows more than the fans isn't in support of Beane and McDermott as much as it is in self deprecation if you think about kt
Really anything we discuss here can be boiled down to 'the Bills know better'
It's not a self-deprecating post. That's an odd label to put on it. It's a reminder to practice humility.
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36 minutes ago, Ethan in Cleveland said:
You give these guys way too much credit.
Like Billy Beane said in Money Ball " You don't know"
These scouts and GMs are more experienced than us. No doubt. But they are not infallible and who is to know if they are even good at their job. I have to be correct 100% of the time in my job. What is the success rate for these guys?
I mean how many first round absolute busts do we have to list to realize GMs just don't know. The list of HOF QBs is far far less than the list of first round busts.
Most on here were ok with Coleman. Some wanted another guy. What my guess is the vast majority of us wanted was another WR. Because at the end of the day these guys don't know. And two chances to be correct is far better than one chance.
I think "success rate" in the NFL is represented in win % and championships. At least, that's what it should be in my opinion. We all know about Bill Belichick's various draft picks. He was horrible. Yet, he still got the right pieces in place and was a winner. Beane has drafted much better by comparison, the Bills have been objectively successful since he's been here, but they haven't won. McD is not the same calibre of coach. Not yet anyway.
All this to say I couldn't care less about this "success rate" in the draft. Beane is just as good or better than most of the other GMs in the league as far as I'm concerned.
What's the equivalent of a draft in your job? What's the equivalent of a championship?
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30 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:
I don't think knowing more than the fans is much of a flex tbh
That shouldn't even be the minimum job requiremrnt
Why do you see this post from another fan as a flex?
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41 minutes ago, hondo in seattle said:
Every blue moon, an intrepid crime podcaster breaks a criminal case. But imagine your daughter was kidnapped and you had a binary choice: (A) You can have the FBI, with all its trained investigators, forensic scientists, labs, subpoena power, police connections, and other resources handle the investigation. (B) You can have Debi from Depew, who views herself as an investigative reporter because she podcasts from her mom’s basement, search for your daughter. I don’t know about you, but I’d choose A.
It's part of fandom to stand by our unfounded opinions, call the GM a moron, and generally spout nonsense. But, if we want to be honest about it, we’re all - to varying degrees - Debi from Depew.
Fans are notoriously lousy at assessing draft picks. Many of us criticized Beane when he picked Josh in the draft while few of us offered up flowers when he chose Milano. And, look, talent evaluation is hard. Go back and look at what sportswriters said five years ago about the draft. Their hit rate isn’t high. Even the analytic guys, armed with their algorithms and statistical analyses, aren’t good. They told us that if Josh became a successful NFL QB, it would shake the very foundations of all math, science, and human knowledge.
I doubt if there’s anyone on this board who knows as much about scouting college players as Tyler Pratt who starts researching and evaluating players at 5:30 am each day and keeps at it until 8pm. Tyler is an area scout for the Bills Personnel Department which includes 18 dedicated fulltime professionals, not including the admin folks, and is aided by 7 equally dedicated professionals in the Analytics & Football Research Department. While none of us matches Pratt hours and expertise, we don’t hesitate to act like we’re smarter than Beane and his entire, fantastically resourced organization.
So when someone starts spouting that Beane is an idiot because he drafted a slow wideout, a lineman with short arms, and a guy who never played football before, I just yawn. Debi from Depew doesn’t interest me. Beane and his team have spent millions of dollars, studied thousands of hours of tape, conducted hundreds of interviews. I just hope the Bills FBI (Foot Ball Investigative) unit is better than the FBI units at our rivals. Time will tell. But I trust Beane and his team of experts far more than Debi from Depew.
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Looks solid. I have more faith in the passing game than others, but I'm counting on Brady coming in with a plan for shifting focus to the TEs, specifically Kincaid. Brady's the real x-factor here. With such a change in personnel and scheme, the Bills might benefit from teams not knowing what to expect. Time to fully implement his own offense.
I do expect the same balanced approach and complimentary football that McD loves. The return of Milano and some more athleticism at safety is going to be great for the backend of that D. I assume McD's going to have to simplify it a bit in order to get these guys playing fast and aggressive.
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I wanted the Bills to take Legette. Keon is intriguing, though. I like his style of play and I don't think his route running is as bad as you say it is.
Then I wanted the Bills to take Tez Walker or Malik Washington. No dice.
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I love that the Bills signed Frank Gore Jr simply for personal perception of universal synchronicity.
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29 minutes ago, CSBill said:
What is a rich man's Spencer Brown?
Joe Thomas
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44 minutes ago, harmonkillebrew said:
It's many factors, but speed is the most reliable. His high jump was not as high as I would have thought. I think his contested catch rate also wasn't super great.
I think he'll be like Gabe. If we hadn't traded Diggs, he'd be a good replacement for Gabe on the outside. Can he replace what Diggs used to be before 2nd half of the season, I'm just not convinced.
I think he'll be consistently 1000-1200 yards and 6-10 TDs per year.
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2 minutes ago, mrags said:
And what do we do this year? We trade away Diggs (and I was actually fine with this fyi) and don’t replace him with anything.
And we draft a ridiculously slow WR that’s like the clone of Gabe Davis
These are false, sensationalized statements. They ruin any well-intentioned argument you're trying to make (which I'd be happy to hear if it was presented in a rational manner.)
I'm not gonna rehash what's already been said, so whatever.
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7 minutes ago, harmonkillebrew said:
Dominating long speed is the only way to beat them long.
That's simply not true. We see guys win deep every Sunday who are strong and get the jump ball. By all accounts, Coleman is already a good route runner and there's no doubt he's an explosive athlete. We'll see.
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25 minutes ago, mrags said:
Allen spoke up and wanted Dorsey room that worked out well.
That's beside the point. He has the ears of this FO, so I doubt he's going to be disgruntled by their moves. You say he's being wasted, and maybe so, but it's not like a Rodgers situation where the FO doesn't listen to him. You say they're not making the moves to help Josh, but I doubt Josh feels that way. Josh has had an elite WR for most of his career, plus good vet role players, and in the past two drafts they've taken two receivers with their first pick who they think can be great in Kincaid and Keon.
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16 minutes ago, harmonkillebrew said:
I'm hopeful Shakir takes the next step. He came on strong at the end, but he had two established WRs taking away the best CBs. He'll now be more of a target.
What bothers me is that we don't have a field stretcher anymore. That seems a shame with Josh's howitzer.
You'd have thought that after trading Steph and letting Gabe walk that they might have made more of an investment - traded up, drafted two guys, etc... The Diggs trade for a 2025 pick in particular stinks for this year. I guess the plan is to see who Josh can float. Maybe he won't need a #1, but a variety of guys all on the same script.
Field stretcher in your terms has to be Samuel as he's the only guy with elite top end speed. Shakir also has good top end speed, but they're not going to use him that way. Coleman can still "stretch the field" per say, but in the same way Gabe Davis did it. Coleman's top end speed isn't fast, but he gets there quick and is a threat to make the play, even if he's covered. He's still running 21-22 mph when he gets to full speed, too. It's nothing to sneeze at.
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8 minutes ago, harmonkillebrew said:
God, I hope so. Evans is a freak - 6'5" and ran in the 4.5s. He had consistent college production as well - multiple 1,000 yd seasons I think.
Coleman should be good, but I hope he doesn't end up like many so college big-bodied WRs that cannot simply overpower and out jump NFL CBs. That's been the record recently. It's now all about guys that get separation.
Coleman's an exceptional athlete and great route runner. I think that'll make a difference in allowing him to be successful.
I don't think he's Mike Evans. I don't know why people started making that comparison. Wishful thinking, I guess.
He's Robbie Anderson to me. Robbie was the same height, but about 20 lbs lighter, which attributed to a faster 40 time. Yet Coleman had a better 10 yard split and the same vertical and broad jumps, give and take an inch respectively. Both are/were explosive, fluid athletes with great hands and jump ball getters.
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39 minutes ago, mrags said:
lol I’m pretty happy overall. When it comes to the Bills I’m pretty disappointed though. Considering we have one of the most talented QBs ever and we’re wasting him.
I'll let Josh be the judge of that. By all accounts, he's speaking up for what he wants and the FO is listening.
I lean more towards coaching and in game decisions that are wasting Allen, not the talent on the field.
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1 minute ago, harmonkillebrew said:
I'm looking forward to seeing what Samuel does with Josh, but that said he was the 3rd option in Wash and they passed a lot.
He had a good year, but he averaged 9.9 yds/catch.
He's more a secondary slot guy or competition for Shakir, rather than an outside down the field threat.
I'm not upset with the Coleman pick. It's not my favorite. But I'm probably more upset with not doubling down. We needed an influx of youth and our depth is rough.
We are pretty young in the WR/TE/RB department for what it's worth. I mean, if Kincaid, Coleman, and Shakir end up being our top three receivers, that's a super young group. Then you have the developmental guys like Shorter....Cook and Davis at RB....this is a young skill position group.
3 minutes ago, mrags said:I don’t even want anything from you when you’re wrong. I just want you to bow down to my greatness
More like giving in to your sadness
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16 minutes ago, mrags said:
I’ll buy you a beer at a game sometime
I'm willing to bet up to $50 ( that's like buying someone dinner at a decent restaurant), but if a beer is all it is, I'll honor it too. I guess 1 beer is almost $50 at the stadium, anyway....
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1 minute ago, Brianmoorman4jesus said:
I don’t want a guy that has never played football before. I often wonder how a guy like tat can even get considered. Regardless, if you insist on getting an outside the box guy like that…a freak athlete that is huge and can run…don’t waste him on the Oline. Make him a FB/Hback or TE. Do something with him that uses that unique skill set. Don’t take a guy that’s impossible to tackle and put him on the Oline.
Blocking TE who occasionally catches a pass. I'm here for it.
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We could turn him into the best run blocking WR the game has ever seen.
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Fact vs Fiction: "Keon Coleman is not a separator"
in The Stadium Wall
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I assume they had a lot of faith in him because of his athleticism and ability to catch. Norvell's offensive system is great. It doesn't ask much of the QB, which is why I would hesitate ever drafting a QB from him, but it asks a lot of his skill players. If you're an elite athletic guy like Keon, you're going to do a lot regardless of your skill set.
I think he does a better job at developing RBs in particular, like Darrel Henderson and Tony Pollard, I would've loved Trey Benson in this draft.
I wouldn't worry about that. Coleman can do exactly what Gabe Davis did. He'll learn. The Bills have the blueprint and an elite QB in place to develop Keon the same way as Davis, but Keon has more upside.