jeffismagic
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You're assuming that present trends continue. The "trend" in question has two data points. This is how people with flawed comprehension of a subject matter convince themselves that they are a knowledgeable expert.
2 data points is greater than zero.
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Well, pencil me in for Dareus having a great year. I believe when he is used correctly and can attack the QB he is one of the top DT's in the NFL.
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You're off the mark. But that's okay. On this issue I'm in the corner of 26CornerBlitz.
We're both guessing or extrapolating. The difference is I am using past performance of ownership as a guide and you and 26 are saying what you feel SHOULD happen.
If these guys are good none of this will matter. If they lose right out of the gate I believe this will be a hot topic.
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Dareus had his best years with Pepper Johnson (a hardcore no-nonsense coach) and Schwartz (the buddy type coach). Maybe that was the balance he needed: Pepper on him 24/7 but the top boss on his side of the ball patting him on the back and giving him some props.
You try telling Pepper that you're not into working today... LOL
The Good Cop/Bad Cop act is a proven formula.
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The decision to bring in the new regime is about more than the next two seasons. But no one can tell you any different.
The Pegulas are paying a lot of people not to work for them. The length of the contracts they signed is meaningless. Last two coaches Pegulas hired got 2 years or less and they were fired.
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No it isn't. It's about a long term plan for success. Bringing in a new regime and getting rid of them after two seasons just isn't going to happen.
If the new guys are worse than Rex and Rob Ryan they should be shown the door as quickly as possible. No reason to stay with them if they are losers.
McDermott sold the Pegulas on winning this year. He brought back the veteran QB. It's on him to win now as he declined to rebuild.
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That would make absolutely no sense with any kind of long range vision in mind. Cannot see this as any kind of realistic scenario as their plans to remake the football department and roster would have barely taken hold two years in.
Why should moves make sense? What long term vision? This is about getting the fans to buy in. They won't be able to sell fans on McD if he loses and his defense is no good.
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I've said it in other postings that this is at least a three year project to get back into being a relevant team. I strongly disagree with those who believe that the Bills will be a playoff team this year. In my mind they are not close because this roster is simply too thin and lacks depth that a grinding season requires.
If the Bills draft a qb next year then that prospect is going to take at least another two to three years to get acclimated to the pro game. If the pressure gets too strong for a more immediate result then the free agent or trade market could also be an option to help this team become respectable.
I still strongly contend that the Bills made a big mistake not selecting either Watson or Mahomes in this year's draft. Avoiding an issue is not addressing an issue!
I agree with your assessment.
What should happen and what does happen in Buffalo are two entirely different things. I believe they pull the plug on Beane/McD in January 2019 if they have two losing seasons to start.
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When the light finally shines the curtains are pulled closed and darkness again envelops the room.
It would have been interesting to see if Whaley remained and worked with McDermott how that would have worked out? To a great degree it was the owner who set up Whaley to fail. If the owner would have allowed Whaley to hire his preferred candidate for HC, Hue Jackson, I think Whaley would still be on the job. Or if the owner would have hired Jim Schwartz to be the head coach after Marrone abruptly left this team would not have fallen off the tracks. The Rex hire set this franchise back.
Well, Beane and McD aren't going to get 5 years to goof around. If they do not secure a credible QB prospect after passing on guys in 2017 they will be shown the door by 2019.
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Correct me if I'm wrong but didn't Buddy move up in the third round to take Graham, the track receiver from North Carolina State? He could have selected either Wilson or Cousins with that pick. It's my view that when a team doesn't have a franchise qb it is better to draft for that position a round sooner rather than later.
It was reported that Whaley rated Prescott higher than Cardale. Wouldn't it have been smarter to draft the preferred qb in the third round instead of gambling to wait for another round to go by? It's not surprising that Whaley stated in an interview after his firing that if he had to do it over he would have been more aggressive in securing the qb position.
For a franchise that hasn't had an established franchise qb for almost a quarter century not aggressively addressing that issue makes little sense.
And just when Whaley finally realizes the QB position is important they take away his power. You couldn't make this stuff up if you tried. The Bills are an extended Greek tragedy.
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I'm not trying to get into a petty argument here. Your opinion is that the Pegula's are idiots, I guess I disagree with that sentiment. I hope that they learned from their initial mistakes.
They don't seem to meddle in day-to-day operations of the team - IE the Nets owner forcing the GM into a horrible trade, or Jerrah Jones just getting involved in every aspect of talent evaluation. They made a mistake of pairing a coach and GM together with no history, and tried to keep the status quo. GM evaluates/signs players and handles the roster, and the coach handles the coaching. They should've used Marrone leaving as an opportunity to build the organization from the ground up.
Mcdermott seems to have a vision of what his team will be, and wanted to bring in a GM who shares and can help achieve that vision. I hope that they looked at his experience, and more importantly that vision when they evaluated him as a candidate. That IS my opinion.
I agree with this. The real games will start soon and all the tea leaves can be discarded as we will have real games to digest.
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Agree wholeheartedly. Bills would be in playoffs with Hue Jackson as coach. Just my opinion, please dont' t have a meltdown, Rangers.
I wish Whaley the best and hope he enjoys life.
It's all guessing but I do believe Whaley as GM would have broken the drought in 2015 or 2016 if he got Hue Jackson or Kyle Shanahan. We will never know and I was not a huge Whaley fan anyway. But for those who dismiss him as terrible I do think he got a raw deal with Rex forced on him.
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I think you would be surprised with how many folks are also just hoping they got the hire right on accident.
For the well oiled machine I don't expect anything of the sorts. I expect a lackluster start to the season and I will be looking for some mid-late season progress that could make me optimistic for 18'. New schemes, coaches, down roster, and personnel fits have me leaning low on the season win total.
Whaley is gone and that's a huge plus, somewhere in this thread or the other Whaley they had an excerpt of his excuse making. Tom Brady took less money the Pats have added flexibility yada yada, no one asked you to turn OBD into Patriots Place, drafted like a fan and whined like one to.
A recent event that has puzzled me is the Jason Botterill hire by the Sabres and the Pegulas. It does not seem to match the Lafontaine, Ryan, and McDermott hires. On the surface it looks like a smart hire where they interviewed the top candidates and came out with a good hire. The only theory that I have is that the Bills chaos allowed the Sabres to not get the same "attention" the Bills were getting.
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You also assumed what you read in the buffalo news is exactly what happened.
Are we about to go into the zone where Tyrod took a paycut because he loved Buffalo and he BILLIEVED?
If you are making the case that the Buffalo News report by Carucci was wrong please point out what you believe was inaccurate and support it with other reporting or invalidate it using logical argument.
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I have said it before and I will say it again, if McD fails then most fans will fall back to this latest hire and demand that the Pegulas not be directly involved in finding the new HC/GM in 2019?
As a fan I'm remaining hopeful that this new cast of characters can get things heading in the right direction. I wanted Whaley gone, I got that. Rex is gone. Now they have new guys with a new mentality and a clean slate.
Leslie Frazier? Who loves that hire? It would be so easy to slam the Pegulas and every move they make because to this date they are 100% failures with both teams. Everyone understands your view of the hire and more importantly the process. When does the fan inside you take over and just hope everything works, until it doesn't? Sure everything and everyone may fail, odds probably favor that, but everyone also knows how you feel about that. So why not ride it out and see what happens? It's going to be a long 2-3 years talking about McYacht and the meeting he had with the owners.
Time will be a plenty to slam this hire if it does indeed fail. I'm supporting the coach/GM until they give me reason not to.
Good question. Maybe training camp? Or if they roll everyone in preseason and look like a well-oiled machine that would be a good sign. Everyone has a right to believe whatever they want. I personally have as much faith in monkeys throwing darts at a dartboard with names provided by the NFL as the process that was actually used. But the process can be terrible and still have a great result. I guess you can say that's the sliver of hope I have.
You're presenting speculation as fact. You don't link any reports... and none of the people doing the reporting on this stuff were even there. That is the definition of speculation.
I assumed most Buffalo fans were familiar with the process that ended up with Lafontaine, Ryan, and now McDermott.
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That's your assumption based on your own bias. Don't take an assumption and present it as fact, which is something you are fond of doing. It's easy to cherrypick random facts to back up any position.
My conclusions are based on the the extensive reports on the hiring process for all three individuals. It is the people who assume the Pegulas can't make mistakes because they are rich who are backing up a position not supported by the evidence.
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I think what Hondo is saying is that... you take something someone said/wrote about and drew a certain conclusion from it without a ton of information.
All he's saying is that he believes that they may have taken a business like approach, not necessarily treated the team like a business. They went in looking for a certain type of candidate, and thought they found that guy in Mcdermott.
The evidence that the Pegulas have taken a careful, well thought out approach is where? The Lafontaine, Rex Ryan, and Sean McDermott hiring all demonstrate a faulty process.
The Whaley firing was the end result, not the Pegulas careful decision to change course.
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Virtually everything you write is speculation.
The Pegulas fell in love with Sean before meeting him? They fell in love with Rex after Svengali Brandon sold them? Etc.
I don't imagine the behind-the-scenes dynamics the same way you do.
As smart business people, I imagine the Pegulas did thorough due-diligence in each case, though in a couple cases reached the wrong conclusion. It happens.
Right now, a lot of knowledgeable NFL insiders are praising the hiring of Beane and McD. Who knows - in the end they might all be proven wrong. But the Pegulas are making reasonable decisions.
The Sean McDermott hiring was reported on by Vic Carucci. Carucci obviously has a very good source close to the situation as other people I have talked to are in agreement with his timeline.
What does business have to do with creating a winning football team? Rex Ryan was a SUCCESSFUL move for the Bills BUSINESS. The winning on the field would have been a nice bonus.
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Andrew Luck, a generational qb prospect, had Bruce Arians as his rookie year OC.
Your boy has Andy Reid. EJ had Nate Freakin' Hackett.
And EJ looked his best as a rookie! He got worse after 4 years of Bills "coaching".
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I am not surprised he failed out based on the situation. When drafted he was suppose to sit a year behind a competent qb(Kolb) and develop how to be a pro-not a college qb. he was thrown into the wolves and told do not lose the game which is an awful way to learn. Marrone then benched him for Orton who is not a good teammate by all accounts I read. He then tries to relearn how to be a qb in year three. He is not good right now but I wish him the best and hope that Oakland can make him good since he seems like a decent man. All that being said DW knows the NFL is QB driven and he never hit there. he improved about every other position but not the most important.
I don't think EJ would have succeeded under any team but to have Nate Hackett as his OC and QB coach was so Billsy.
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Names on a piece of paper. Do any of them know how to scout the QB position?
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Again, I'm forever grateful to the Pegulas and they seem like great people (especially Kim).
But they are much more involved in these teams that they should be at this point.
I just don't see any lessons learned by the Pegulas.
The falling love with Lafontaine after meeting him out. Lafontaine hires Ted Nolan and Tim Murray (probably the best Pegula hire, not hired by them directly!) Lafontaine quits and leaves and they hire no guy to manage the Lafontaine role so that Murray can be the head of scouting and bring in players. Then they fire Murray because they wanted him to do more than what he was hired for!
The falling in love with Rex Ryan when they listen to the money man Brandon and disregard the football GM's advice. Ryan plummets the team and Whaley is fired!
The falling in love with Sean before ever meeting him. His name "jumps out at them" and he is on the yacht hanging out before the football guys ask him a single question.
Pegulas are the problem.
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Mike Mularkey is dumb. Please watch the 2015 Cowboys.
Sure pal. Bunch of whiners who want to cut everyone after every game.
Whaley didn't get to hire the coach and then had to try and get players to fit their system. He is being a good solider but he was never really given a chance to build the team.
Not only that, the Pegulas did not listen to Whaley when he gave them football advice on the type of coach they should hire. And the guy who steered them wrong is still there.
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It's about the play calling and time management.
Rex's teams never excelled at that
2 minute drills it is very little about the play calling. You have to be able to pass the ball when the other team KNOWS you are throwing. Tyrod struggles at the end of the game or in two minute drills. The reason is Tyrod is not a very good passer. In order for him to succeed he needs to be protected by a strong running game but the end of a game is where that crutch gets taken away and the results are not pretty.
Tim Graham:Whaley wasted everyone's time.
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I think in a few months I will start a Pegula thread because this is pretty interesting to talk about. For now, I will exit as this thread is about the Buffalo News and Whaley. If you want to hit me up in the Shoutbox I can provide multiple examples that show the Pegulas not making decisions based on patience.