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Sorry! Thought it was worth mentioning.......Sad though

13 PLAYS! 85 YARDS! over 8 minutes on the drive! Lions return to the 25

We can only dream that it goes this well against the Pats on opening day!

NON FOOTBALL...... Breaking news from Channel 7...... 2 State Troopers have just been shot......looking for Bucky Phillips

WOW! WHAT A DRIVE! PERFECT FOOTBALL THERE!

great run by Willis there! 1st and goal! TD! McGahee!

3rd and 1 Willis to the 1!

3rd and 5...... offside! half the distance to the goal.....still 3rd down

Not sure about the timeout...... PP on another grab to the 9 yard line....... 3rd down!

McGahee for 1 to the 19

1st drive notes........we have been absolutely dominant...... picked up a 3rd and 7 and 3rd and 5. McGahee has had holes to run through for the most part. Would have had a nice gain on his second 'loss' play, but lost his footing cutting back across the grain. But this has been a solid drive!

Offense looking great! Timeout Buff!

Lee Evans on the catch! 1st down!

McGahee for 4. This, so far has been the best drive of the preseason for the Bills........ MCGahee for another loss. At the Lion's 20.

3rd and 7....... PP on the catch.......1st down!

McGahee on a draw after a gain of 8 or so

McGahee caught in the backfield. We are at the Lions 40 or so after that loss.......

McGahee great run off LT for a huge gain! Broke a couple of tackles. Robert Royal on a TE screen for another 20...... Bills are marching!

PP makes a great catch off a deflection....

Davis runs sideways a bunch of times on the return all the way to the Bills 15 yard line! Who needs McGee??

Bills have won the toss and will receive....... Here we go!

Pre game comments........ Spikes is not playing......good. Neither is McGee.......good. Lions are not playing 11 of their starters or so. That is including Kitna and Williams. I am expecting a lot of running plays tonight. I don't see McGahee playing long at all. Maybe 1 or 2 series. I expect Losman to get a quarter or so. Pretty much the same for most of the starters except Vincent and some of the other older vets.

The mods can combine the threads if they wish, but I thought since the "fake" game was already played in the other thread, I thought we might start fresh for the actual game that is about to start! But, I will leave that up to the mods! I will do my best to give play by play updates as I have done in the past for those who can't see or hear the game tonight. Enjoy the game everyone.

I do like the idea that you have for a compromise. Here is the thing. We have all kind of lost site of what the point here is. The real reason we are having this discusion is because us football fans will be losing one of our favorite networks for very stupid reasons. Regardless of who is right or wrong (Time Warner or the NFL), the real issue we are having with it is that we are losing a network that we all want at THE WORST POSSIBLE TIME OF YEAR......THE START OF FOOTBALL SEASON! If these 2 HUGE businesses would just find a way to settle, we wouldn't even be having this conversation. There is just a lot of frustration out there because these multi billion companies are fighting over, what would be a couple extra bucks to you and me. Time Warner just looks like fools in this situation because they ARE THE ONLY MAJOR COMPANY not to carry the NFL Nework. There is pleanty of blame to go around. Time Warner is to blame, the NFL is to blame........whatever. The fact of the matter is, the only ones being hurt by this are the customers. As for your compromise, while it does make sense to try it on a trial basis and then work it out based on the numbers, but the problem is, neither company, especially Time Warner, would let that happen. It would just lead to more fighting and petty bickering down the road. I don't know what the solution is. The fact is, people who want the NFL Network, should not have to pay extra for it. However, maybe the NFL is expecting too much per subscriber. To me, the solution is easy. Just split the difference. The NFL wants $0.90 per subscriber and to be on basic cable. Time Warner wants NFL Network on a Sports Tier so they themselves can collect more money from their subscribers. Why don't they settle on $0.65-$0.70 per subscriber and on basic cable? That would make both companies money.....NFL through the subscriber fees, and Time Warner through additional customers that won't switch to Dish or DirecTV and new customers they can bring in because of the features they can offer. I know, it is not that simple, but this is totally out of hand and only us, the customers are getting hurt. Both entities need to realize this and step up. They NEED to work this out.

You are completely missing the point! You just don't get it! I'm not trying to compare NFL Network to Lifetime or A&E or any other network. All that I am saying is that why are many people paying for networks that couldn't care less about and not being allowed access to the channel they want? And trying to compare NFL Network ratings to any of the networks you did is just DUMB and STUPID! Of course they are going to have higher rating because they are in a GAZILLION more homes than NFL Network is! It is impossible to compare! And regardless of what you do think, it is a big story. Articles in every major newspaper in the country and several other media outlets make up national news. Is it as big as all the fighting going on over in the Middle East? NO! But, it has caught the attention of several national outlets. Look, the NFL Network is not asking for a special ruling here. They simply want to be placed on a basic tier to not force people that want their network to pay for it like ANY OTHER STATION THAT IS CURRENTLY ON BASIC CABLE! They just want the same treatment as any other network on basic cable is getting. Nothing more, nothing less. DISH NETWORK, DIRECTV, and over 200 OTHE CABLE COMPANIES AGREE WITH THEM AND KNOW THAT BRINGING NFL NETWORK TO EVERY CUSTOMER ON A BASIC PACKAGE IS THE RIGHT THING TO DO. Time Warner just is fighting a losing battle and they know it! And they will see it more and more as people start switching to sattelite. It has already started and it won't slow down anyime soon. Cable companies, including Time Warner have had a MONOPOLY over the TV industry for years. They were the only game in town for so long and got away with whatever they wanted to..........WHY DO YOU THINK CABLE BILLS ARE THROUGH THE ROOF??? Because they could. Well, now there are actually companies around that LISTEN TO THEIR CUSTOMERS and give them what they want FOR LESS MONEY. And what is happening? Well, Time Warner is fighting a public battle against the nation's most popular sport and its fans. They are fighting with their own customers! Talk about great customer service! I don't care what the company's problem is with the NFL Network or the NFL, but you have to give the customers what they want. And it is pretty clear they want the NFL Network. So what, they make 42.1 BILLION this year and not 42.8 BILLION! (Actually, they still may make the same amount anyways after they stop subscribers from leaving!) YOU GIVE THE CUSTOMER'S WHAT THEY WANT. YOU DON'T HAVE TO RAISE RATES TO GIVE THEM THIS NETWORK! Is the NFL totally innocent here? NO! They are all money grubbing fools......Time Warner and the NFL! But while they have their chick fight over stupid things, the customer is losing out. TIME WARNER: THE POWER OF YOU! (To do absoluely nothing about your programming)