GunnerBill
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2 hours ago, Big Turk said:
Well if that's true then why did Kincaid say that Bishop usually got the better of him in Coverage in practice?
According to you he would be getting smoked one on one?
I think you should actually go watch film of the player and stop reading media representations. Your assessment is WAY off with Bishop. He is super athletic and runs a 4.45 40, and can pretty much do it all
He is GREAT covering slots and tight end near the line. It is his the thing that stands out on his tape IMO. I do think that is slightly different to the question about him as a centre fielder. He has the physical attributes to do it. His tape isn't as good there though for me. That isn't me saying he sucks at it or anything to be clear. But personally I think as a rookie he is better served in the Poyer role than the Hyde one.
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36 minutes ago, PBF81 said:
Who knows. None of us are privy to their personal discussions.
Keep in mind, Beane is only here because of McD, you know that.
I'll lean to the side that says if we had a Ben Johnson here, our drafts would look considerably different.
Oh he is only here because McD hand picked him. No doubt. But Beane running the draft would always look like this IMO. Unless he had a Head Coach who had personnel control over him.
Indeed in terms of draft value via the JJ chart McDermott spent more day 1 and 2 capital in his 1 draft in charge than Beane has in his 7.
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18 minutes ago, PBF81 said:
That's a bit of a reach Gunner. While what you say may be true, even you have admitted that McD influences Beane's choices. McD is pure D, zero O. Even he's essentially admitted as much.
The identity of this team is clearly D-First apart from Allen. As you pointed out in a post after this, only 1 WR on days 1 & 2, and it's a guy that leans more like Davis than any other productive WR we've had.
There is no strategy in building the O. Consider, we threw Singletary and Moss overboard with the statements that we wanted to get faster on offense and highlighted Cook. Then we turn around and draft all but a Moss clone in round 4 this season. None of our offensive strategy makes much sense and there certainly is zero consistency from season to season, either in coaching or in methodology as to what our Offense is supposed to look like, ... other than for letting Allen be personally responsible for 75%+ of the production.
That's at the heart of the pro/anti-McD debate. On the anti side are those that think we should be focusing on offense like McBeane have focused on the defense. That makes the most sense to anyone that knows football besides McD apologists. It should be a no-brainer, when you have a generational talented QB like Allen, you do everything possible to build around that QB. We've not done that. In fact, we've done everything to build around McD's defense, often ignoring major needs on the Offense.
I realize that you won't agree, that's because you're on the pro side, so that's understandable, just sayin' otherwise.
We can argue and bicker, but not one of us has the ability to alter what happens. LOL
Go Bills!!
I do agree thar we haven't prioritised offensive assets - wide receiver in particular even nearly enough. But I am 100% confident that would have been the case wherever Brandon Beane was the GM and whoever his Head Coach was. So long as Beane has personnel control he will prioritise defensive line, linebackers and running backs. It is Carolina 101.
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1 minute ago, FireChans said:
Bump
I was a firm no when you asked before. I'm still a no. But a softer one. I just am not a big Diontae Johnson guy and never have been. Sloppy route runner with bad hands and a questionable attitude.
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Just now, Kirby Jackson said:
That’s fair. None are very good.
Nope. LAC is the worst "proven" group. But they have 3 new wildcards to throw at it. Ours is probably second least proven and we added one dart but a second tier one. New England is probably slightly more proven (never been a big Juju guy but do like Kendrick Bourne and that duo more proven than Samuel and Shakir) they have two low second high third tier new darts in Polk and Baker. It is much of a muchness.
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33 minutes ago, LEBills said:
yea Chark is the best guy left out there. Add him and one more vet that has actually produced in the league (OBJ, Boyd, Renfrow, etc) and I’ll feel better about WR for this year. I do not want Justin Shorter or Mack Hollins as next man upFor what our need is I agree. Chark is the best fit. I actually wanted him last year.
12 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:Some guy on Twitter yesterday listed Washington, Carolina and New England. Carolina has Thielen, Legette and Dionte Johnson. That’s 3 guys all better than our best (plus Mingo). The Pats have Juju, Bourne, Douglas, Baker and KJ Osborn (who people here wanted). That’s not good but better. McLaurin is miles ahead of anyone we have. Even if the other guys are a bit of a wash, Washington is better because of McLaurin. It’s a harsh reality and people (especially homers) don’t want to hear it. The Bills WR room is bad and doesn’t have the diverse skillsets needed. They don’t have a vertical threat, they don’t have a great separator, and they don’t have anyone that has proven they can handle large volume (despite having 300ish targets from last year gone).
Maybe not insurmountable but we are asking a guy like Shakir to have 2.5-3x as many targets, with significantly more defensive attention (and limited space to work with). That’s a big ask.
Coleman is a guy, to quote Buddy Nix, “that’s open when he’s not.” That doesn’t feel like a high volume skill set. If he gets what Davis got, that would be a lot. You’re still looking for another 130 or so targets from the WRs.
Call Samuel 90 for the sake of this. That leaves 40ish for the other scrubs (roughly what the scrubs got last year).
It’s a big ask for guys that haven’t seen the attention that they’ll see now. The Bills have quality role players playing leading roles.
I have us New England and LAC as the worst 3. I don't think ours is worse than theirs necessarily but it isn't better.
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I think McConkey catches. I went Worthy yards thinking big plays but Legette and Coleman make some sense to me there as well. TDs I think Coleman.
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24 minutes ago, FireChans said:
It’s why firing McD and keeping Beane won’t change roster building strategy, imo.
Agree unless they hired like a Shanahan or a McVay or someone who would have the authority to have final personnel say and use Beane as a glorified chief scout (although if you are doing that you'd be better getting someone else IMO).
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7 minutes ago, Low Positive said:
If that’s what he believes in, then he’s gone against his own beliefs in the last two drafts.
I mean its still one receiver in 7 years first two days.
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1 minute ago, MAJBobby said:
I knew he sounded familiar this is the guy coming off the year long gambling suspension
Beane gambles on a gambler. Interesting.
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6 minutes ago, DJB said:
This fixes everything
edit no it doesn't
Cephus ran a 4.73 so he’s slower than Coleman .
For F sakes
If you run sub 4.45 Beane tells you to ***** off to Miami.
1 minute ago, FireChans said:Beane would rather sign a JAG fifth rounder from 2020 over drafting a fifth round WR in the great WR 2024 draft.
Honestly, make it make sense.
Gotta have another linebacker FC. A team that only plays 2 should be at least 6 deep at that spot at all times. He learned that from Gettleman.
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So I also see Cole as more of a Poyer replacement than a Hyde replacement. I don't love his timing as a centre fielder whereas his instincts and timing are much better when he is in closer in the box or covering closer to the line. But I do buy the "he is the most athletic safety on the team" argument.
Personally I think Edwards will start as the deep safety with Cole primarily in the box. But let's see how it shakes out.
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1 hour ago, Buffalo Boy said:
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An idea/question: If Beane were to bring in a different HC with a different outlook, Does Beane keep drafting these “ high character “ guys or do we go in a different direction . I’m guessing the latter.I am 100 and I mean 100% sure it would be the former. I have done the pick by pick anaylsis of the Panthers drafts during Beane's decade in senior front office positions. 3 receivers in the first two days in 10 years. Over a dozen DL in the same period. It is who he is. It is how he learned. It is what he believes in.
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3 hours ago, mrags said:
This. I remember when I used to fall for their crap too. Now it’s just the same old crap every year. While I do like some of the picks in this draft, I can’t help but feel like we are definitely rebuilding. Just sucks we’re dealing with this in the middle of having the best player that will ever wear a bills uniform. Such a waste
While I definitely fall more on your side about this draft.... every team that has an elite QB for 10-15 years has to have at leadt one reset in that time. Because other position players don't age as well as Quarterbacks. New England had reload years with Brady. They still won their division and made the playoffs because the AFC East was a disaster zone. New Orleans had three 7-9 years in a row in the middle of Brees. Green Bay missed the playoffs twice mid-Rodgers. It is inevitable.
Personally I expect the Bills to make the playoffs this year. But I don't think it is a Superbowl window year. Though as I said last night 2022 was supposed to be that for the Chiefs and their rookies all balled out and they won the Superbowl anyway.
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5 hours ago, JohnBonhamRocks said:
Just based off production, give me Tyler Boyd: 1000+ yards in 2018 & 2019, 800+ yards in 2020 & 2021, 762 in 2022, and 667 in 2023. Seems a solid floor to me even if he is not the typical burner that would really balance out our WR room.
He is another guy best in the slot though. We need a guy who is at his best outside.
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6 hours ago, Buffalo Boy said:
But Why Miller? There is no way McD didn’t have a large part to play in that choice.
The old We took a shot excuse. They should have surrounded Josh with more talent but the pissed the money away on an aging vet edge.Of course McD had a part to play but Brandon Beane's constant focus on the DL isn't because of Sean McDermott. It is because of Dave Gettleman and Marty Hurney.
Seriously, people should go and look at the guys Beane learned his trade under. It isn't McDermott's influence that he drafts loads of DL and LBs and RBs and almost no WRs. That is who Carolina were when he was in that front office moving through the ranks.
1 hour ago, BullBuchanan said:"reloading" is "rebuilding" with a PR spin on it. It doesn't have to mean that you tear everything down to the floorboards, but they most certainly jettisoned most of the the core of the team this year. The rest of the old core will be dumped last year. The only players who might survive will be Dawkins, Allen, Oliver and possibly Milano.
I disagree on that. To me the difference is a reload is about moving on older expensive players. A rebuild you are giving away prime age players for assets - what the Commanders did last trade deadline was a tear down for a rebuild. Sell any asset on the roster build picks. Miami when they first ditched Gase and hired Flo did the same. They are rebuilds. That is the distinction IMO.
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C-. I think there were some good picks but overall slighlty underwhelming
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7 minutes ago, MAJBobby said:
I think there are a lot of people sleeping on KJ Hamler. Massive speed. Former 2nd. But has had injuries. I have been reading he has really worked on transforming his body. He will get all the chances to show it.
I think he is a better longshot than Shorter.
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Beane and McDermott signing the son of a guy they like? Well I never. Wait until Nate Peterman has kids old enough to be drafted.....
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12 minutes ago, LEBills said:
Now that the draft is over, my top UDFAs
Beau Bease S Maryland
Dallin Holker TE CSU
Javion Cohen OG Miami
Gabriel Murphy DE UCLA
Jalen Coker WR Holy Cross
Dillon Johnson RB Washington
Frank Gore Jr RB Sothern Miss
Willie Drew CB Virginia State
Dwifht McGlothern CB Arkansas
Obviously I agree on the top 3 given I had draftable grades on them all. Like Murphy (I actually like the other Murphy twin too who I thought actually played better at the Shrine game) but think they are probably better fits for 3-4 teams. Coker is worth a punt. I'd forgotten about him. Not sure he is more than a PS guy but definitely worth giving a try.
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Conclusion - there are no UDFA WRs to get excited about. There is one guy on that list and he sucks.
Beau Brady I feel for. He tested poorly and probably ia sub optimal athletically for the NFL. But the kid can play. Hope he gets a shot somewhere. He will compete his ass off.
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4 minutes ago, BillsFanForever19 said:
I'm more surprised by Gabe Hall going unlocked.
Taylor reportedly BOMBED the Pre-Draft process. I was hearing of him careening down Draft boards weeks ahead of the Draft.
Gabe Hall flat out gave up in two games this year. That is why he didn't get drafted. I never thought he was draftable. Tries when he fancies it. Talented but a quitter.
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11 minutes ago, Pine Barrens Mafia said:
It was the previous two years too
The last three years though the roster has been deep. It has lacked top end talent compared to the other top half dozen teams we have been competing with but it has been deep. It is why despite two years of pretty rotten injury luck they've still won a ton of games. The moves they had to make this offseason mean they are as shallow as they have been since 2018 and still lack that top end talent. I do think they have some good young players, I think they hit on some guys in the last two drafts.... Cook, Bernard, Benford, Kincaid, Torrence and Shakir but they are all (as we were discussing earlier) in the category of "good" at this point and they need to hope 1 or 2 of that group step up to be true difference makers. But they are going to be young, shallow and lacking in difference makers in 2024 unless someone has a significant breakout. They will just be hoping that by the end of next season we are adding Coleman, Bishop and Van-Pran to that list of good young players.
I think they will see success in 2024 as the development of all those guys and making the post season. They do not think 2024 is a Superbowl contending season. That said, Kansas City didn't expect 2022 to be a Superbowl contending season in the building - they were re-setting some things and then they got hot at the right time and went all the way. When you have a top flight QB you always have a chance but I think we'd need Josh to have the best season of his career to have a shot.
It tells me the regime is pretty safe with Terry. Because this is clearly a two year re-load plan IMO to have 2025 be the year that the second Josh Allen window opens.
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KT Leveston is an interesting late round guy. Just gone to the Rams. College tackle, likely goes inside in the NFL.
5 minutes ago, Ralonzo said:#247 HOU Marcus Harris, DT, Auburn
#253 LAC Cornelius Johnson, WR, Michigan
you win
How many receivers are the Chargers gonna take??
I actually checked back I have done 4 before in 2021..... But still good to get down to that number.
Beane: "This team is in transition"
in The Stadium Wall
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I don't think his vision has been coherent.