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I'd venture to guess that on the open market most league GM's would pay FAR more money for Schobel than Willis McGahee.

If you believe that absolute nonsense there's no reason for you and I to discuss the game of football. I've done us both a favor and added you to my "Ignore" list.

I knew he was a Cherry Picker ;-) Always one of my favorite QBs to watch, but I like to watch Jake Plummer play too! He's making a mistake playing this year IMO. I understand his drive and desire to win, but he' sliding now into the second year of "waiting too long" to hang it up.

I absolutely do- but my position is based upon my own opinion that the QB on most teams isn't the most important player. Just as it would be tough for me to consider a knuckleballer one of the "great pitchers" in baseball, I think even successful system QBs can't realistically crest the "great" tag. On the other hand I'll give you John Elway as a great QB because he actually WAS a QB- all the throws, a full career and success even with lesser talent on some of his teams. You've got my vote on that one.

Without defending them in any way I'd easily rank at least 5 of our players ahead of McGahee as the "best player" on the Bills. Clements Spikes Fletcher McGee Schobel

Any fan of the game has to recognize and admire Favre's grit and leadership skills- but at the same time it's hard to imagine any QB who's considered superior at his position who threw more god-awfully advised balls into trouble areas. It happened that Favre fell to the better side of the roullette roll in some of those seasons, but having seen enough QB's I considered "great" and recognizing that the normal outcome of the type of QB'ing Favre has done on most Sundays results in a bad outcome for the majority, I simply can't quite get to the "great" moniker with him. But hey, I could be wrong. And that's the out for any subjective based argument. There's no such way to get out of the fact that if you want to improve your chances of winning the Super Bowl these days you'd go far in your quest signing with an East Coast team- unlike the odds on some guage of the play of a team's QB this would actually give you a far greater shot at the Lombardi.

My original premise earlier in the string might be worth, as you suggest, going back to read- I believe that fans and the media feed the false premise that the QB is of some much greater importance than other players on the team, and history simply proves this to be wrong IMO. For instance, on the Ravens winning team I'd say their QB was probably not more than maybe the 17th or 18th most skilled player at his position among their starters, and easily no higher on the scale of importance to their win. The bottom line is that teams need someone to lead the sales of their jerseys, the media needs someone to glorify or vilify on film every week and the fans need to believe they understand the game by overscrutinizing the people they watch who handle the ball. I just disagree with the sum of those things being the critical elements to winning the game of football as it's played in the NFL.

Posey is a "fierce competitor" and Willis McGahee is our "best player". I must be missing some game film here, can anyone help?

I don't know whether that's an attemtped dodge of the original supposition or simply a continued semantic dalliance ignoring clear evidence. But instead of debating that, let me introduce some objectivity into the original debate that contradicts the original poster's conclusions. A) Among the past 6 Super Bowl Winning Quarterbacks, 3 have been journeymen Quarterbacks. Statistically speaking, over that span the whole of the 32 NFL teams have been just as likely win the Super Bowl with a journeyman Quarterback as they have been to win with a Quarterback assumed to be of any greater talent level. B) Of the past 16 Super Bowls, half were won by teams playing in the Eastern Conference. C) Of the past 6 Super Bowls, every single game was won by a team playing in a city located East of the Mississippi. Just applying these objective facts to reach a conclusion on the likelihood of winning Super Bowls, it's perfectly objective to say that a team with a journeyman quarterback playing on an East Coast team today is infinitely more likely to win a Super Bowl than a great Quarterback playing for a West Coast team. Also, we know for a fact that in recent times a journeyman QB is as likely to be among the Super Bowl winners as all the other Quarterbacks of any greater talent level in the game of football. So using objective evidence instead of a subjective measure like "great QBs" we can prove that the original premise and conclusion are subject to irrefutable contradiction.

It might be possible to turn that argument completely around. It seems that the term "great QB" is most often bestowed upon those who end up on the winning sidelines Super Bowl Sunday, which simply follows the fan hysteria of attributing an inordinate amount of any team's success or failure to that single position. Along those lines you've identified Kurt Warner and Brett Favre under your measures as "Great QBs". It might be more prudent to say that another season at Arizona and Green Bay respectively could go far in dulling both their shines to the point that in retirement they may not be looked upon so glowingly. I could also list MVP QBs who are hardly "great", but simply beneficiaries of systems that fit their skillsets ideally. You might start with Rick Gannon as a for instance, and there are solid arguments along the same lines about a few of those among the Super Bowl winners you list too.

Chances are if Triplett/McCargo/Anderson have a big season the majority of the credit will end up in a defensive back's future paycheck. Since that's the reality of this league, I'd be just as happy seeing it go to a hard-sticking Safety who's spreading some fear rather than anyone else in the backfield.

Just speaking for some of the Cal locations, in SFO you can't beat the North Star: Moose McGillicuddys in Old Town Pasadena is home of the Los Angeles Bill's Backers; and this season in Santa Monica you can join Kelly the Dog and myself with "guest appearances" each Sunday from other TBD alumni plus a wide array of Bill's fans at Busby's located at Berkely and Santa Monica Blvd. in Santa Monica.

If you're a buyer of atheltic stereotypes it's important to recognize that JP is half American Indian, and that his dad was a professional-quality athlete who had conformance issues that led him to skip a pro baseball career after he was drafted. It might not be unfair to view the difference between Jaworski and Losman similar to the difference between Stan Makowski and Jim Thorpe.

Who's sportin' the jack for all those candles? Have an Irish Car bomb today with the promise of future reimbursement ;-)

The talk of creampuff Posey moving up to play on the line doesn't bode well for his future with the Bills in my mind.

And this might serve as a "Powerful" addendum ;-) DTs

But of course you are the only Chump posting today. Real Bill's fans have actually been confirmed by other Bill's fans- especially those who live in the heartland of TBD- the Capital area. You live there yet have not a single sighting by a real Bill's fan. You've never been to a game, you've never been to a bar where Bill's fan's hang out. Yet every post you make is a vomit post- some negative thing about the team the rest of us love. I believe you're scum. Prove me wrong- name a single acknowledged Bill's fan who has ever seen you at some Bill's function. With of course you living in the very middle of Two Bills Drive Country-prove you're anything better than the scumwipe troll I believe you are. I welcome any evidence to the contrary, and I'll apoligize if you can show you are actually a fan versus being the piece of garbage I believe you to be..........

Ronny Not to dispense discipline upon AFC East WRs, a 3 Technique down lineman and an heir to the Clements throne. Sounds like progress to me. And in answer to your question, I haven't gone anywhere ;-)

The lack of preparation and execution offers a glimpse of the Monday Night Football booth with Joe Theisman onboard.

I've come to expect some of the most Charo-influenced programming in sports to come from NFL Total Access and typically it's only on the tube in anticipation of Playbook. Today they the truly pathetic Rich Eisen and his staff on Total Access exceeded all my expectations! The teaser hit about 10 minutes before the segment- "We fire up Bill's Cam and talk to their national College Scout". OK I'm thinking- maybe some poorly posed questions about D and O linemen, maybe a whimpy shot at getting a Bill's sense of the CB situation in Buffalo- But my oh my, the show went right to where it is perpetually entrenched- the idiot nation of every pro football team's fan base: "So Marc, Matt Leinert and ...." "Now on the Bill's Draft Board, how do the QB's match up?" "Well Mark, while it would seem that the Bill's wouldn't be considering a QB at the 8 spot, which QB would you want if....? Thank you so much Marc, good luck and when we come back Brett Favre................."

Suprisingly the Park Service doesn't clip you any worse than the surrounding outposts. Since we're heading up into the Panamint Mountains tonight our final gas point will be a hell-hole called Trona. I expect I'll pay about $3.70 a gallon.

I'll talk to him tonight and ask him if he can have someone there at 11:00 if there's no one scheduled already. Followup-- Yes- your game is on at Madd Bailey's.

I assume you have the hookup with KTD set up- Bob Lamb for some reason recommended you get the bedroom with the full bar? CU next week- I'm off for Death Valley for the weekend. We've been promised by the pub owner a new bar "maid" on draft morning, a KC fan who is reputed to be an EXCEPTIONALLY deep breather.

If you buy a Draft Guide at the newstand, there is a likelihood nobody in any NFL War Room has read it let along given it credibility. Ourlads on the other hand is in the hands of most teams come April 29th. The guys at Ourlads remain astute technicians of skill breakdowns from both film and the field, and their assessment of Ngata is enough to scare me off.

In some cultures The Dean would be considered the perfect shape for drinking. My guess is the culture down at the Shot Bar will be one of those places ;-)