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thanks. have my hands full just getting out all 22 for o line/ qb. hopefully someone else will do that though yeah.. it was just an example for him settling for "ok" instead of "more"

Unforced errors.. bad throws/ How did the O Line do?/ What mistakes are on the O-Line.. what ones are not? I watched the NFL rewind all 22 and here is my unofficial count of how the O-Line did / How the QB did on every pass play (I may have missed a snap or two here or there. There also may be a few extra pass attempts that were cancelled due to penalties but this should be 95% accurate) Sufficient protection means that TT had time to hit his drop and had at least a second to scan the field. DISCLAIMER (I am not a coach, I don't know the hot reads or route combinations called.. this is just my educated perception of what happened on each pass play) _______ ______________________ TOTAL PASS PLAYS: 35 - (Last week was 36) LINE BREAKDOWNS: 7/35 or 20% ( last week was 7/36 or 19% ). In other words TT didn't really have a chance on 20% of his drop backs. Based on historical data the threshold for average O Line performance has been around a 20% breakdown rate.. so lets say the O Line was average again against the Panthers. SUFFICIENT PROTECTION: 28/35 or 80% ( last week was 29/36 or 81%). In other words TT had a relatively clean pocket 80% of the time. UNFORCED QB ERRORS: 7/35 or 20% ( last week was 4/36 or 11%). Based on my 2015/16 studies if the Bills' QBs commit 5 unforced QB errors or less during a game their odds of winning are solid. TT had 7 unforced errors by my count which is over the danger line. BOTTOM LINE CORDY GLENN – Cordy Glenn started the game but did not finish. He gave up one pressure I believe. Definitely not his old lock down self but passable. DION DAWKINS - Dawkins was beaten on an inside move in the 3rd quarter giving up a pressure.. but other than that was solid enough in pass protect RICHIE INCOGNITO – Richie didn’t do so well figuring out stunts today. A rare down day for 64 Q2 –9:16 – Incognito does not pick up stunting DE and TT has to check down ERIC WOOD – Wood also appears to have not properly identified/blocked several stunts. He wasn’t physically beaten however.. which is saying something based on their DTs. q3 9:03 - SACK - Wood doesn't pick up the stunt from the DE. Incognito is being distracted by Kuechly and doesn't help out. Mills also beaten to the outside. . JOHN MILLER - Miller was better today. However he too appeared to have misplayed a stunt in q2 and he and Wood did not seem to be on the same page at all. He also had a blatant illegal hands to the face that wiped out a first down. Like Wood however.. he was not really physically beaten all day so that’s a step in the right direction JORDAN MILLS – well.. the old Mills showed back up today. He was beaten to the outside multiple times and also appeared to have misplayed a stunt. Out of the 7 line breakdowns he was involved in 3. O LINE PASS BLOCK GRADES CORDY GLENN - C DION DAWKINS – C RICHIE INCOGNITO – C- ERIC WOOD - C JOHN MILLER – C JORDAN MILLS – C- TYROD ERRORS - Of the 7 Unforced Errors TT committed.. 3 of them came on the last drive. As shown below.. some of the not pulling the trigger was on him.. some wasn’t his fault TT BAILING ON PLAY TO EARLY - There were several rather clear examples where TT could have shuffle stepped into a pocket window and thrown but he tucked and ran a half sec too early. Overall I don’t feel as mad at TT as I did watching broadcast.. however.. he is still to blame for bailing on the play a few times as we shall see here. Q1 1:09 – UNFORCED ERROR – tucking head down bailing too early. Had WR open deep over middle of field Q3 13:45 – SACK – UNFORCED ERROR - If TT shuffle steps up into the small window on the right side.. trusts his eyes and sees there is no safety deep to double Clay and lets it go before he makes his break you likely have 6 points here. Instead.. TT puts his head down a half sec to early and takes a sack. This is the difference between a Pro Bowl QB and an average QB. Here’s another view of this same play from the endzone. You can see Miller holding up his guy just long enough. TT has a nice throwing lane to take a quick step into to let it go to Clay. Unfortunately he gets skittish and tucks and runs TT WISELY CHECKING DOWN OR RUNNING - Here are a few examples where TT was justified in tucking and running or checking down q2 10;47 – GOOD SCRAMBLE Tolbert has decent block on LB . Incognito not sure who to help… should have helped Cordy. TT scrambles to get 1st down Q2:9:16 – GOOD CHECK DOWN - Incognito does not pick up stunting DE BAD ROUTES? - There were several head scratchers where the routes looked all jumbled up. Here is an example below. Not much for TT to work with here on this play q2 1:51 - BAD PLAY DESIGN.. OR SOMEONE RAN WRONG ROUTE --- I doubt Dennison drew it up this way. All 5 receivers to the intermediate middle.. hut. I think the slot receiver on the right likely ran the wrong route and probably was supposed to run an out route here to clear some space. TT turns his read right for first read.. doesn’t like what he sees… turns left.. no one open and then a cluster F where all receivers end up bunched up close to each other in the middle. Can’t fault TT for scrambling here.. can’t really fault the O Line either GAME SUMMARY Typically when the Bills throw more than 30 times with TT at the helm they lose. Last week they bucked that trend. This week they reverted back to the norm. Upon further review the line played just about as well this week as they did against the Jets in pass protect. The Bills were very stout physically against the strong DTs of the Panthers. The RBs also generally did a good job of picking up blitzers. Carolina really didn’t blitz that much.. they didn’t need to. Their stunt game was strong. The O line was outwitted several times as the Panthers continually executed stunts, confusing the Bills linemen and causing pressure. CAR also appeared to be playing simple Cover 2 or Cover 4 mostly with the LBs excellent in coverage clogging up the middle pretty well. Poorly timed penalties wiped out a few first downs and killed what little rhythm they were starting ( Miller illegal hands to face, Holmes push off). As far as big plays go.. one of them was blown up by Dawkins giving up an inside pressure. That being said.. there were two examples I showed where TT could have hung in the pocket for a half sec more and if he would have kept his head up he could have had 2 big plays as there were open receivers past the safeties. __ _____ SIGNIFICANT PLAYS Q1 8:22 – Zay Jones drops curl route Q1 1:09 – UNFORCED ERROR – Line does good job picking up the blitz but TT tucks and runs too early.. not seeing an open receiver deep behind the safeties Q2 10:47 – Tolbert can’t hold block on LB, Incognito not sure who to block.. TT scrambles for 1st down Q2 9:16 – Incognito does not pick up stunting DE and TT has to check down Q2 2:02 – SACK – Miller and Mills don’t identify stunt.. Glenn loses his block. TT doesn’t have much of a chance Q2 1:57 – John Miller grabs facemask.. penalty wipes out would be completion for 1st down Q2 1:51 - cluster F of bad route running or possibly bad play design leads to TT scramble Q3 13:16 – TT stands tall takes hit and completes over middle to Clay q3 13:45 - SACK - unforced error q3 12:46 - UNFORCED ERROR - TT has O'Leary open over middle on bootleg to the left but checks down to DiMarco Q3 12:03 – UNFORCED ERROR - TT ball slips out of hand on blooper throw q3 9:03 - SACK - Wood and Incognito don't pick up stunt ant TT sacked. Mills also beaten to the outside. Q3 - 9:13 - Dawking beaten to the inside blows up planned deep throw to Holmes q3 3:39 -UNFORCED ERROR - TT leads Zay Jones too much on out route Q4 :53 – UNFORCED ERROR – TT has decent protection.. window to step into but tucks too early and does not see wide open Clay behind the safeties Q4 :30- UNFORCED ERROR – TT throws to wrong shoulder.. Jones cannot make catch. Game over.

Yep..i look at pass blocking only. Always interested in hearing what others saw in run block though

I generally don't count the plays where he obviously has a called QB run like a bootleg. As this is an offensive line anaylsis i do count snaps where he drops back to pass but scrambles. Regarding the accuracy of my counts I would refer you to my paragraph 2 disclaimer

Let's aim to keep these that way. Encourage healthy debate/ be objective

Good to see PFF validated my Mills grade. Joe Buscaglia gave him a C .. not sure what he saw there

Overall I agree with the conclusion that TT did a lot of good things last Sunday. That being said..I don't think he was looking for Clay first read on that INT. I think he was genuinely looking for Zay Jones on the Flag route first and when that wasn't there he went back to Clay late. There was no need for him to hold off the safety near Jones by looking left on that play as the Safety was 15 yards away. He could have thrown it to Clay over the middle immediately when he made his break and Clay would have been wide open with no safety in front of him. I think an experienced QB sees that a LB is on Clay and knows that is the matchup to look for. Hopefully TT will get there.

thanks.. I'll try and do one of these each week .. time permitting.

The Taylor side in bounds to keep the clock running was heady on his part. I think Clay stayed in bounds late to keep clock running at one point too. Attention to detail.. hopefully they'll be able to keep that attention to detail for 16 games.

thank you sir.. I aim to be objective Count me surprised on Mills, Miller and Castillo as well. This was a good start.. we'll see how it plays out on the road against a recent Super Bowl contender this week. If he takes a better angle and is a little quicker there then he wouldn't have been in the position to block in the back.

It's the difference between good and great

That's a good point on the OL rankings for PFF. My OL grades are only on pass protect.. it's too hard for me to analyze run blocking. And I do take into account teamwork and how the line handles stunts and things like that. Wood did really look bad when his guards sucked a few years ago..he had to bail them out a lot and they were really sloppy picking up stunts. PFF does give out run blocking grades as well I believe (not sure what their methodology is but..) I can't speak for Miller's run blocking.. my analysis was only on pass protect. I will say anecdotally though that Miller seemed to be standing around lost on a few run plays based on the broadcast feed.

According to PFF rankings the D Line rankings are about the same. JETS FRONT 4 MARTIN - 47.4 WILLIAMS -81.0 WILKERSON - 46.9 JENKINS - 78.9 PANTHERS FRONT 4 JOHNSON - 41.7 PEPPERS - 48.7 SHORT - 88.6 ADDISON - 80.4 The big difference are Carolina's LBs. I doubt the short/intermediate middle stuff will be as wide open as it was against the Jets. I think the WRs will have to play a bigger role and win some more one on one battles this week. JETS LBS Lee - 37.5 Davis - 35.2 PANTHERS LBS Keuchly - 82.3 Davis - 85

Jerry Sullivan is awful.. If I see his name in the byline I skip over it. He adds no value. And the fact that they charge now? Please. There are so many other good sources (BillsWire, Buffalo Rumblings etc...) to get better informed Bills content. As to your question.. in the past I would usually see several instances of TT not looking the way of open receivers.. or .. TT seeing them but not daring to pull the trigger. For this Jets game however.. I really didn't see that at all. On the several plays where they were clearly trying to focus on deeper routes the WRs really didn't have any separation Thanks. I'm really hoping Miller turns it around so we don't have to start at square 1 again. Regardless of Miller ..Incognito is getting older too so I hope they draft a guard in 1st 3 rounds next year

Clay had a pretty good day overall.. but to your point he did have a bad drop q2 :57 Perhaps.. but it was an awfully quick bail on the play if he didn't like what he saw.

Thanks. A few years back I started to focus on one of the linemen on the snap ( usually a tackle .. but sometimes a guard) and it changed my perspective a bit. That being said.. it's hard to pick this stuff up in real time with sideline camera.. so I wait until the All 22 comes out on game pass so I can make better observations Thanks. I certainly don't expect everyone to agree with all of my conclusions.. the spirit of these posts is to generate solid informed discussion which this one has done so far

I would respectfully counter with: - The LB is the "free man" on the play... Meaning TT is accountable for the LB. Clay is not responsible for blocking the LB as he is going into the flat to catch the ball. In other words TT needs to figure out how to get around that "free man" to make the play - Miller is slow getting over and lazily just pushes the DT's shoulders instead of getting in front of him on his chest numbers and squaring him up. If Miller does a better job on the backside there TT likely has more time and works around the LB and either completes throw to Clay or runs for some yards.

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agree on the Clay thing after taking a second look at sideline cam and seeing Zay Jones as primary read also agree on the Matthews throw. good points

Ok.. yes. Upon further review it looks like TT was staring at Zay Jones as his first read and comes back to Clay second read. So it is not so clear cut that this was an unforced error. My criticism is that he still could have seen that Jones was not good option earlier and moved on to second read a little faster. That is nitpicking I suppose on my part though.

Yeah.. I was really shocked at Mills. He was decent when he first came in '15 so I guess there is hope.

thanks.. is it possible that Clay could have made the catch.? .. Yes. Should he have been in that position in the first place.. probably not. I can understand TT being gun shy about batted balls but he has to get over that. In looking at the GIF again there is a nice clean window between Incognito and Glenn for him to throw through. ( Also.. thumbs up to Shady on pass protect there.. outstanding job)

definitely not routine. it would have been routine if TT would have thrown it a second earlier. great point.. yes.. TT did lead him allowing YAC. Hopefully that improves this year as we go.