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46 minutes ago, SoonerBillsFan said:
A safety in the 2nd is too high.
I'd rather not, but late 2nd round looks like kind of a dead spot in this draft to me for some of the other Bills' needs. If they can get a starting caliber safety at 60, that may be tough to pass up, depending on what's available.
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1 hour ago, Dr. Who said:
I think if they stick at #28, Beane ought to take McConkey. Then trade up in the second to secure Legette, presuming he doesn't sneak into the first round. McConkey is a top 5 or 6 WR, imo, and I think he can be a volume WR his first year.
I'm leaning more and more to the idea that, if the Bills keep pick 28, it will be McConkey. Just in terms of pre-draft visits the last few years, they seem to have a significant preference for these types of speed/quickness/route-running types early and less apparent concern for height/weight. Ignoring the top 3 that they have no shot at, McConkey seems like the best overall of that sub-group, IMO, and I think I've about settled on him as WR 5 in this draft.
If they can add both him and Legette, I'd definitely be happy. I'm just not sure how. I think we're more likely looking at McConkey OR Legette at 28 and maybe whatever is left at 60 or one of the better mid-round prospects in a trade into R3.
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10 minutes ago, KDIGGZ said:
I think pass rush end is a bit overrated. I prefer DE set the edge and the rush come up the middle in the QB's face. I'd rather keep guys like Mahomes in the pocket. While pass rush is a need I don't think it's as drastic as WR
It's not true in all cases, but most QBs have bigger issues with pass rush right up the middle than off the edge. On one hand, there's a little more opportunity this year on the Bills roster for a rookie DT than at DE. The trouble is finding a true elite pass rushing DT.
I wouldn't pick one at 28, but at 60? Sure, if they've addressed WR.
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Just now, Buffalo_Stampede said:
What are you talking about? As he develops? He’s a better prospect than 99% of the WRs talked about.
Well, like any player, I'd hope that he improves his game and is a better player two or three seasons down the road than he is as a rookie.
Again, I'm not against drafting him at 28 and yes, I would take him ahead of some of the WRs being discussed as 1st round picks on longer term potential. But in terms of this upcoming season, I think there's a higher risk that the immediate results are likely to be underwhelming.
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5 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:
None of those players allow you to pass on a legit 1st round edge player.
You create a board and stick to it. Latu is either on the board or not. If he is on it then he’s top 20 and likely the highest graded player on the board when they pick. The only WR you would draft over Latu is Brian Thomas and the big 3. But it’s a big question mark if Latu will even be on the Bills board due to the medicals.
As I said, I don't have a huge issue with taking Latu at 28. If he stays healthy, its a pick that should, at worst, pay dividends in two or three years as he develops and as DE roster turns over. For this year? As a rookie, I can see a higher than normal risk that he ends up as a depth guy who plays 10 plays a game and finishes the year with 15 tackles and 2.5 sacks.
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4 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:
I see Von, who might be finished. AJ, who’s never put it all together. And Rousseau, a legit starting edge.
Edge is worse or equal to WR. Both are important positions.
Von Miller is the main question mark, but I think they probably would have found a way to unload him with the rest if they thought it was hopeless. Regardless, the fact is that he's still on the roster and even after the pay cut, he's eating up a fair amount of cap space. For better or worse, he's likely to play plenty of snaps this year.
Considering what they're paying Epenesa, I think they're pretty happy with him as the #3.
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1 minute ago, GunnerBill said:
One of those vets is Von Miller. Last seen about as mobile as a broken down tractor.
True, but we both know the Bills are going to give him every opportunity to prove he can still play this year, whether he actually can or not.
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4 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:
The guy we’re talking about is not a late 1st talent.
I actually don't have an issue with drafting Latu at 28 (I would not trade up for him given the injury issue) and yes, he's probably better than the usual projects at DE in the late 1st. Still, I would be concerned that he spends most or all of the season mired as the 4th DE on the roster as he adjusts to the NFL, especially with three established veterans ahead of him.
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4 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:
Who cares, it’s a need. They’ve missed, doesn’t mean you stop drafting them. You don’t pass on a good player because you missed on the position in the past. Such a weird draft strategy people have on here.
We lack edge players and WRs. Tough position to be in.
I just don't see a place for DL (particularly DE) to make a major contribution this year. Realistically, a late 1st probably isn't going to beat out the established veterans at those spots, so you're drafting depth for this year. IMO, they'd be better off drafting two or three of them early on day 3, fill the depth need, and re-evaluate after the season. I think 2025 is supposed to be a better DL draft, anyway.
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10 hours ago, Doc Brown said:
Can't wait for the board to lose its collective mind if we trade up for this guy....
I don't mind the pick at 28, but if they trade up for a guy with those medical red flags, the board might well be justified for that reaction.
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2 hours ago, WhitewalkerInPhilly said:
Can someone tell me how Pearsall has suddenly shot up draft boards? He hasn't had the production of many of the others, doesn't have elite size and I was seeing him as back of 2nd -3rd round by most sites.
Personally i would stay very far away. Another slot receiver? No thank you.
Most seem to project him as a slot WR in the NFL, and if that's the case, he doesn't really fit the Bills' needs.
But I can see the case for a higher ranking. He's 6'1, played at an elite SEC school, led them in recieving yards the last two years. Has good hands and runs good routes. The draft sites had him as a 2nd or 3rd based on that. Then, supposedly, he had a really good week at the Senior Bowl. And then he posts the best set of agility scores at the combine along with a strong 40. So who knows where he actually goes, but in comparison to the initial grades of the draft sites, I can see where they might have him undervalued and a guy who was a borderline R2 before might actually go a round higher.
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10 minutes ago, PromoTheRobot said:
Are we finally seeing the result of parents not letting their kids play football in their youth?
Probably not. There have always been bad drafts...the 2000 draft being one of the worst ever. A few good players here and there, but for the most part, that thing was putrid.
If we get three or four in a row, then you have to wonder.
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10 minutes ago, section122 said:
I actually think the opposite. Since this is a Bills fan site, the WRs in this draft are going much earlier than I believe they will in the real draft. The GM for the team drafting in front of the Bills admitted to picking Legette just so he wasn't an option for the Bills. The trade back almost worked perfectly as Legette was the 2nd leading vote getter in both v1 and v2. There is a dead spot in round 1 where from picks 11-28 only really the Jags look like a team that may take a wr.
Yeah, I realize things like that happen in these mock drafts where a few people will try to spike the board for or against whatever they want their team to do. That being said, I do think the run on WRs will begin during those last few picks of R1 and that it'll thin out in a hurry into the middle parts of R2. There won't be much left at 60.
I'm also a little worried that Miami may start that run by taking Xavier Worthy at 21. Might see one or two more go by 28 if that happens.
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I've heard that elsewhere in the last few weeks. If true, those later picks on day 3 are more worthless than usual for trade purposes.
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9 minutes ago, H2o said:
It has definitely started and it has been quite underwhelming. If the first two rounds in this mock are a sign of what would be to come, then it's not looking good.
Over many years of following the draft, one thing I've learned is that the depth always hollows out earlier than it seems like it should. In this draft, the WRs, in particular, will go higher than people think.
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19 minutes ago, TBBills Fan said:
So trade back wasn't really ideal
It was too far. Ideally, you wouldn't trade down more spots than there are guys acceptable to draft while at 28. That guarantees at least one will be there.
I don't think I'd drop below Washington at 36 on the first trade down and even that is a bit more risky than I'd like.
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Of the choices given...Javon Bullard. Ideally, I'd rather wait a round to draft a safety, but it looks like this mock isn't going terribly well for the Bills at other positions.
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3 minutes ago, DCOrange said:
Matt Harmon's tiered rankings so far:
- MHJ - #1 out of 61 WRs he's graded since 2021 - Top 10 Pick
- Rome Odunze - #3 - Top 10 pick
- Malik Nabers - #8 - Top 10 pick
- Brian Thomas Jr. - #12 - Clear 1st rounder
- Ricky Pearsall - #17 - Late 1st/Very Early 2nd
- Ladd McConkey - #18 - Late 1st/Very Early 2nd
- Adonai Mitchell - #20 - Late 1st/Very Early 2nd
- Xavier Worthy - #27 - Priority Round 2
- Keon Coleman - #32 - Good Day 2 Option
- Roman Wilson - #48 - Late 3rd/Early 4th
https://receptionperception.com/matt-harmons-nfl-draft-prospect-wr-rankings-2021-2023-stacked/
I've kind of suspected that Pearsall was being undervalued and might actually sneak into the late 1st. I'm not sure I'd put him ahead of Worthy, but I'm not sure I wouldn't, either. I like McConkey at 28 better than both.
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37 minutes ago, DJB said:
And worst yet Coleman is likely best suited for the slot position at the next levelYeah, which means that the Bills would be drafting him to fill a similar role as Kincaid.
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1 hour ago, Logic said:
If the Visits list and the recent Tweets by ECB are to be believed...
The Bills have done the most work (wide receiver wise) on McConkey, Worthy, Franklin, and Pearsall.
I notice a common them there: lighter, faster guys and route technician types. Following in the footsteps of John Brown, Emmanuel Sanders, and Stefon Diggs.
Just thought it was interesting, and y'all can take it with as big a grain of salt as you like.
Yeah, looking at the list of visits and interviews for the Bills, I had also noticed that as a common theme. They also apparently had interest in Addison last year who also seems to fit that type. And we also know how they'd really been trying hard to acquire Emmanuel Sanders for awhile before they actually did it. Given that, I went with McConkey here. Seems like the the best all around guy of the group to me.
The one outlier I included is Legette and while he's not similar to that group as a technical route runner etc, I do think the Bills would be interested.
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McConkey would be my choice and I think is my WR #5 in this draft.
Legette, Worthy and Franklin are about even with each other, but slightly below him.
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20 hours ago, BullBuchanan said:
there's no way I'd give up 5 potential starting players for a top prospect at any position unless it was QB. I'd much rather we just draft 5 WRs and take our shot that one or more of them are good. It's not like top prospects are a sure thing. They bust all the time.
That's how I see it as well. In fact, I'd rather they take WRs at 28 and 60 rather than use those two picks to trade up for just one. It's a deep WR draft. They don't need to throw a bunch of picks at one player. And as you say, there's no guarantee even if you trade up.
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I really hope that's not the plan. This appears to be one of the deepest WR drafts in several years. There's no need to bet the farm on one guy. They'd be better off taking WRs at 28 and 60, or perhaps making a small move up the board from one of those two picks. Regardless. I'd like to see them keep those three picks in the first two rounds next year.
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I agree completely on Troy Franklin. If they go WR with their first pick, I think it likely comes from the group of Franklin, McConkey, Worthy, and Legette (possibly also Wilson if they trade down).
I'm not as convinced on Coleman. Due diligence, sure, but I think there's too much role overlap with Dalton Kincaid.