Count me in with those who are completely sick and tired of hearing about the whole Vietnam did/didn't go nonsense. I also feel that JK set himself up for the attacks by making his service in that war the centerpiece of his campaign strategy.
With that said, I know I am jumping late into the fray, but I'd like to comment on BiB's initial post. As someone who has served in the Corps for almost 20 years, my judgement and opinion are formed by my experience as a Marine. Those experiences are likely to be much different than those who served in other services due to 'cultural differences'. I've got to tell you that in all honesty, when I hear about awards for valor being awarded by other services, I automaticly discount the award, in my minds eye.
For example, a few years ago there was a story of some Air Force support personnel who were stationed in Kansas City who wrote themselves up for a Bronze Star and were awarded it without ever leaving the comfort of home(the US). If you look at more recent times and compare the number of awards for valor issued by the Army as compared to the USMC, the statistics show that the army is much more liberal than the Corps(by a WIDE margin). Shoot, if any of you can get a copy of this weeks Marine Times, there's a story of a Gunny who earned a Silver Star at Nasiriah. He had 40 shrapnel wounds and continued to fight. Check it out and see what he did to earn his S. Star vice JK's. That's just one example of many I'm familiar with.
The story posted about the soldier not wanting to leave his unit is the type of devotion to duty that I am familiar with. I say all this to explain how I form my opinion of what is known about JK's time spent in combat. All indications to me are that he is a glory seeking cheesedick who left his men to return to his self described manifest destiny of becoming the next 'JFK'.
Each person who served will have their own perception of JK's service. From my vantage point, considering the facts that are undisputed by either camp, JK at his core is not a true leader of men. That is just how I feel. I think that most veterans who have been in the stevestojan with thier men would likely feel the same.
Excellent thread BiB.