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on one hand, I wouldn't mind looking into the down and distance, and a rollup of the plays that preceded that, of every holding penalty he had. But Ruben's a good guy and what good would it do? I guess I got a right to my opinion after watching those games.

ya, I hear that, no argument. I guess I meant that either a QB is mobile or he isn't, or that he can make the throws or not; you can't teach that. And history shows that you can't teach a old dog new tricks, if anyone remembers Bledsoe and the timer. But quicker reads and sliding around in the pocket to a 22 y.o. might be something that can be coached up.

in your opinion, aren't those things correctable?

what he said I really think Skelton is the QB we should draft, after an LT and NT

there's only 1 point, shared by others... If the fans can vote more than once, they can skew the outcome of their portion. In a tie breaker or something like that, the result of the election can theoretically change. Do I believe that's the case and that (some) Pro Bowl selections came as a result of fans voting more than once? No, but it's possible.

are you really saying that if 200 fans vote 5 times each for a specific player and 1000 fans vote 1 time for a different player, that it couldn't possibly change who wins the 33% fan portion?

ya, I'd be interested in seeing that study, too bad its lost. My comment was less about the total number of penalties, but rather so many drive killer infractions. It seemed to me that Mr Brown committed penalties at crucial times, wiping out scoring opportunities in the process. Prove me wrong and I'll fall on my sword. read the thread... K-9 lays out the way the Pro Bowl voting is counted. Thurman doesn't get it, and I respond, with an attempt to show him how fans can vote as often as they want. I have no opinion whatsoever on how fan voting affected Jason Peters being named to the Pro Bowl.

he was being sarcastic, read the last line of his post

Players, coaches, and fans each make up 1/3 of the total vote. However, the players and coaches can only vote once. A fan can vote over and over at the pro bowl website.

true story couldn't agree more

ok, I buy all that. it's this poster's opinion that "rookie WRs tend to suck their first year, unless they have a really good quarterback" maybe stretch that to "successful, pass-oriented offense" I guess what I'm saying is that in no other (skill) position, offense or defense, is the player so dependent on another player, as the WR is to his QB.

Isn't Neal a 3-technique, 4-3 end? Blair White is a great athlete with character, love to have him on the team Witten will never do. He's Donte's lil bro... I jokes, but he is the real lil Donte great mock though, really

Collie <-- Manning Harvin <-- Favre Nicks <-- Manning Knox <-- Cutler Crabtree <-- Smith ok, Crabtree gets a flier, but look at the guys throwing to the rest of your All-Rookie group IMO, Evans would crush all of them with an equivalent QB and decent OL

yes, no disagreement there. I think the discussion (at the NFL Winter Meeting) was maybe, by pushing out the last intradivision games, there wouldn't be as many early clinches and teams would have more to play for. I'm not sure if I agree with the whole premise or not, it's just an interesting proposal to think about.

as my post said, sometimes playoff berths are clinched and it wouldn't matter, but it might help the situation in general...

While viewing one of the many McNabb articles, it stated that Goodell had mentioned a discussion centered around every Week 17 game, and many of the the Week 16 games, might be played against teams in the same division. Some would have already clinched their position in the playoffs, but it could help to avoid a rematch of the Bills-Colts '09 type of scenario. Here's the source...

For his 1st few seasons maybe, certainly not after that. Not to mention his penchant for holding penalties. He's the textbook example of Pro Bowlers named year after year based on reputation, not the quality of his play.

ya, he's a burner. Did you notice #6 Jacoby Ford running with him, blocking downfield? I'm sure it isn't true, but Ford looks almost as fast as CJ on some of those highlights. I agree CJ is a game changer, I just don't see how they can justify taking a RB at #9. Let's draft Ford in the later rounds.

sounds like total speculation, not based on any discussion with the team

interesting about walker not being able to keep up with the no-huddle. was there anything ever written about that in the press?

I don't disagree, but what a choice; starting or at least playing on a winning team or a starter on a team that might be competitive about the time that you're ready to call it quits?

actually he's said he would enjoy the switch, but clearly it would have been better if the change had occurred earlier in his career.

Aaron has made it clear that if he plays again, it will be in Buffalo. There's never been any mention of wanting to play on a winner, not liking the organization, or its direction. It's always been about his family, being away, and whether he can still play at a high level. I think his decision is (in part) so difficult because instead of declining last year, his play was really good. Maybe your negative opinion of the Bills gets in the way of reality sometimes.

I didn't realize Chan had an offense. Meaning he tailors his scheme to the strengths of his players. What did they say was so different?

that's why I said creative contract negotiations. An example; back-end loaded deal to McNabb, then cut him or trade him later