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    Arguing over fake football

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    That is strange because all coaches and players (not fighting for a roster spot) disagree with you beyond lipservice quotes. Ask Tom Brady how important it is...an offense based around timing and passing...he has 7 pass attempt for 30 yards int he preseason.

     

    How many coaches and players would gladly do away with preseason?

     

    Go get em Jeremy :lol:

    Arguing over fake football

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    Evaluating so called scrubs against scrubs is actually quite important. And fans arguing what they see in preseason isnt always BS (although I will agree that a lot of it is). For instance I can sit here and argue why Fitz is still a major concern. Why, because he has not looked any different than he has in his previous years, and that is a concern considering he has not been good enough or consistent enough in the bulk of his games in his career. So while someone wants to argue how great he is going to be, another can also make a case of why they are still concerned because he hasn't shown the growth YET on the field. And until that happens, there is reason for concern. And I say that while full well admitting that I actually have more optimism in Fitz this year than in any other year, but its cautious optimism until he shows me something.

     

    And FYI, all these same people will be arguing over the same BS come the regular season too...you only care now because there are no games that matter to distract your attention away from that. But none of this makes the preseason garbage or fake football.

     

    Okay, you win :flirt:

    Arguing over fake football

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    True NFL football begins September 9/5/2012...so why are you trying to confuse preseason with that? That doesn't make any sense. You seem to think Preseason is being played for your entertainment. Its being played for all the reasons I stated above. You just seem to not be able to separate the two. So, is Training Camp garbage too because its not entertaining you on Sundays?

     

    Nothing about the preseason is garbage unless you are tuning hoping to see a good game and be entertained that way. Preseason has nothing to do with wins and losses, but even though you rant about people making a big deal about them, you seem to be caught up in the fact that its garbage because the wins and losses don't matter.

     

    The games serve a purpose, I understand that. Evaluating scrubs against scrubs is not worth much.

     

    The purpose of the thread, not written by me (See link) was not about the game itself but fans arguing over bull **** .Media hype and how the fans react to loses

    Arguing over fake football

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    Posted · Edited by HOUSE

    Didnt quote most of your post only because of length...

     

    While I understand where you are coming from, I have to say that while some points are valid, you are fundamentally wrong about whether to care or not about the outcome of preseason.

     

    For instance, you are right about media making a big deal out of preseason, but that is also what they are paid to do. They are paid to analyze the on field product and review those games. So while I get they make to big of a deal out of some things, I don't ever see any media person with any real credibility making a big deal out of wins and losses.

     

    More importantly, while you call preseason "fake" football, I 100% assure you that the players on that field fighting to make the team, fighting for starting jobs, etc will tell you just the opposite. And so will the coaches and FO personnel.

     

    Preseason records are completely meaningless, that is correct. But on field performances are not. They do not create certainty about anything, but they are massively important to talent evaluation, scheme evaluation, situational evaluation, roster decisions, development analysis, chemistry, timing, game plans, etc. Sure, keeping your locked in pro bowlers and starters healthy is always a concern, but at the same time those players need to be game ready come week 1. I do not care how much you train or practice, nothing simulates a game like playing in a game.

     

    Another thing people overlook is that even locked in stars, pro bowlers, starters, etc have to often learn new systems and schemes with coaching turnover. Not just HC turnover, but OC, DC, ST, LB, WR, QB, OL, RB, TE, and DB coaches all have an impact on how they will play come week 1. So even when the HC stays the same, you still often have coaching turnover at some of the other spots through firing, promotions, or leave for other jobs. Not to mention player turnover where players need time to play with each other when there are new players to play with.

     

    Adding to that, even with no changes to the staff, the playbook constantly evolves and more plays are added, more routes to learn, more assignments to learn, etc. Like this years playbook is substantially more complicated than the one first given out in Chans first year. As the team evolves so does the game plan and play calling.

     

    So while you may find idiots like Bayless and his constant nauseating Tebow stuff annoying (and rightfully so), that doesn't devalue the whole preseason which is incredibly important to every team to evaluate everything about the team, create chemistry, timing, etc. When someone like RG3 struggles and another touted prospect shines like Cousins, the media is going to talk about it...thats the nature of the game and what they are paid to do. And to be honest, when you get your first team out there and they struggle to do anything all preseason, there is reason to be concerned. Something isnt clicking...could be rust, could be personnel, could be play calls, etc. Doesn't mean its a sign of things to come, but at the same time you want to see some progression and when you don't it is a concern because you have limited time before the games count to fix what is not working.

     

    This isnt MLB or the NBA where one loss isnt that important. With only 16 games, each game is critical, including week 1. There is no time to waste in getting ready for the season opener. The Lakers could lose the first 5 games of the season and not even blink an eye, but if you lose the first 2 games in the NFL you are already in trouble, especially in a tough division.

     

    Keeping it close to home...Fitz is a big question mark for how far this team will go this year. And all we have heard is about how much they are working with him on his new mechanics. So far in the preseason, he has been as streaky as always and has yet to really show that next big step forward. Now that does not mean he wont take it, but people who understand how important his development his year is going to be to how far this team goes have concerns when they do not see it translating yet on the field.

     

    Very nicely done and I appreciate your response. I am very impressed.Perhaps fake is not the right word but GARBAGE is.

     

    Preseason games do not meet the guidelines of true NFL football. True NFL football is about winning games, preseason is NOT! There is no game planning.

     

    Charging full price is absurd and the Hype by the media is nothing more then a marketing tool to extract money from your wallet.

    Arguing over fake football

    in The Stadium Wall Archives

    Posted · Edited by HOUSE

    There are a number of important events that fall between the Super Bowl and the opening week of the next NFL season. For the record, the Pro Bowl is not one of them.

     

    The Draft, free agency, training camp and the day that final cuts are determined are all important dates that are worth paying attention to. There also happens to be these four pesky exhibition games that are blown totally out of proportion by a number of fans and anyone getting a paycheck from a certain production company in Bristol.

     

    The NFL preseason is becoming an annual chore that is more about keeping starters healthy than shaping the roster. However, each year your team lays an egg and suddenly 3-13 is on the table. Truthfully, there is far too much attention paid to the outcome and overall performance during preseason, by everyone.

     

    Just look at that steaming pile of a morning show that Skip Bayless works on. When they’re not extolling Tim Tebow as football’s savior, they’re drumming up any bit of crap they can get their hands on.

     

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zMK9FKMG3Nc

     

     

     

     

     

    Most recently Kirk Cousins big night against Chicago’s backups became fodder for a “quarterback controversy” in Washington because RGIII didn’t rack up big numbers behind his patchwork line and against Chicago’s ones. Keeping things closer to home, Buffalo has had two dismal showings in their pair of preseason outings thus far. However, this is due to the participation of over 30 players who will not be on the team come September 9. Now, the starters haven’t been lighting things up, but about 60% of the Bills play thus far has come with a group of players who will not be playing as a unit in three more weeks.

     

    For example, Tyler Thigpen is likely out the door as a quarterback with the Bills. Shawne Merriman was just released and other depth players like Cris Hill, Nick Saenz and Derek Session might not even survive the first cut, let alone the final cut. Not to single out those specific players, but it illustrates the point.

     

    All 32 teams will be releasing nearly the equivalent of the NFL’s active roster limit for regular season games. Add in the fact that 32 coaches aren’t rolling out their full game plan for these games and there is a beautiful recipe for mistake-riddled football and mediocre performances, particularly from the starters.

     

    Take 2011 as an example. The Bills offense looked wretched through their four-game audition before blowing the doors off for the first eight weeks of the season. Prior to injuries taking their toll, the Bills offense turned a full 180 from the football they played in the preseason.

     

    While that example isn’t always typical (see Edwards, Trent), the scaled back game plan, presence of back-ups, rookies and fringe players often has a drastic impact on the quality and outcome of these games.

     

    Preseason football games to indeed serve a purpose, however. They’re ideal evaluating tools for depth players on an individual basis. These games, while utterly pointless in terms of the final score, provide coaches – and fans if they’re watching closely – the opportunity to see what kind of players they’re dealing with heading into the season.

     

    For the Bills, Cordy Glenn and Stephon Gilmore are under the microscope in terms of a starting position while additional position battles for backup quarterback, wide receiver, linebacker and the defensive line roll on. Then there is the usual depth battles for the spots that round out the roster heading into week one.

     

    For example, Robert Eddins and Kyle Moore will need strong outings over the next two preseason games to attempt to fill Shawne Merriman’s vacated spot. In addition, Derek Hagan, Ruvell Martin, Naaman Roosevelt and Marcus Easley are all jockeying to fit into either the final two or the lone remaining roster spot reserved for receivers.

     

    What all of that says is that there is not an entire unit that needs to be worried about, simply individual pieces. Players like Scott McKillop, Delano Howell and T.J. Graham have all had solid individual performances despite the team not responding with wins. Point being that this is all on an individual level.

     

    Now the Bills know that McKilliop is probably a perfect candidate to serve as Kelvin Sheppard’s backup and that T.J. Graham will be capable of producing for them immediately. Regardless of the recent outcome of these games, the team will be able to identify the pieces that will ultimately make them effective once the regular season begins.

     

    Even if the third preseason game is a dud, it doesn’t mean much of anything. I don’t care that it is the game that the starters get a ton of playing time simply because I know Chan Gailey isn’t going to open up his playbook until the regular season is up and running. If the first team offense can’t run the ball after three weeks of the regular season, then there will be cause for concern. Until then, sit back, relax and try to pick out a few players who you see as sleepers to make to team or even serve as key contributors down the line.

     

    Don’t forget, David Nelson became a primary receiving option for this team during the summer when the starting offense didn’t put the ball in the end zone during preseason play.

     

    http://www.buffalowins.com/buffalo-bills/articles/arguing-over-fake-football.html

    Bills waive a pair of DB's

    in The Stadium Wall Archives

    Posted · Edited by HOUSE

    Posted 51 minutes ago

     

    Chris Brown Lead Journalist Email @ChrisBrownBills

     

    The Buffalo Bills made a couple of roster moves prior to their afternoon practice Wednesday. Cornerback Cris Hill and safety Josh Nesbitt were waived-injured by the club.

     

    Hill was an undrafted cornerback out of Virginia Tech that missed most of training camp due to injury. He did manage to suit up for each of Buffalo’s first two preseason games registering a pair of tackles against Minnesota last week.

     

    Nesbitt was a member of the Bills practice squad last season, and was promoted to the active roster last November, but did not appear in a game.

     

    The safety has been battling injury since the spring practices and showed very little in the way of improvement in training camp. He was inactive for the Minnesota preseason game, but had a pair of tackles in the preseason opener against Washington.

     

    The release of the two defensive backs puts Buffalo’s roster total at 86. The Bills must reduce their roster to 75 players by Monday, Aug. 27th by 4 pm.

     

    http://www.buffalobi...2e-9e0e6b8ef28a

    Can Ryan Fitzpatrick make maximum use of T.J. Graham?

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    I am not worried about "making use" of one receiver. I think there will be times where Fitz can utilize Graham however I think its clear to most people that Fitzpatrick has the ability to spread the ball out well. Is the he the best QB, or the one we all wish for? No probably not but I am a believer that he is perfectly capable.

     

    It's easier to play the QB position when you have a defense you know can and will make stops for you. You have to be a little less of a gun slinger when you have a Defense behind you. I think that will help Fitz alot this year.

     

    T.J. Graham was drafted to add speed and extend the field. He is an important part of Buffalo's Offense.

    Can Ryan Fitzpatrick make maximum use of T.J. Graham?

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    Posted · Edited by HOUSE

    I believe one of the keys to making the playoffs is opening up the passing game with a less predictable offense and this includes the long pass.

     

     

    Ryan Fitzpatrick is capable of the long pass but he rarely rolls out, is much better at reading a defense.

     

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sfAHZ4KJ5uE

     

     

     

    Vince Young can throw the Ball 70 yards and is much better at scrambling to buy more time.

     

    Vince to Graham (Vikings game)

     

    http://www.buffalobi...1b-75e85bde21fb

     

    Which quarterback can make the best use of the long pass & T. J. Graham ?

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