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Yeah but just because they rewarded the Israelis loosening their grip with violence against the Israelis, doesn't mean they don't deserve more freedom from the Israelis.

Your "leave our 22% (comprising of Gaza and the WB) alone," implies that Gaza and the WB are not left alone. The WB may not be but Gaza is, and it's hardly worked.

Gaza may be the only place in the world that is simultaneously self-ruled, occupied by Israel, and revisited by Israel. The Schrodinger's cat of cities.

Whichever one makes the Palestinians appear more helpless and victimized. They have no influence on the events that affect them. Fool me twice, we won't get fooled again.

And those 46 dead Israelis and possibly more are just collateral damage for the Palestinians getting what they want? Gee, easy to say as a non-Israeli.

So leave your corrupt government be? Leave Hamas to their own devices? That will bring peace?

The US should side with whoever is losing? Once the Allies drove into Berlin, the US should've dropped out, they weren't recognizing the Germans' right to exist!

An appeal to emotion. Do you find it strange that you call out many on here for pro-Israel biases, yet never stop to think that, perhaps, you may have a touch of bias due to your heritage? Does bias only affect the people who don't agree with you? And please, let me know where my bs is. Demonstrate it, not with one-line, uninspired sarcasm. I'm eager to hear your version of the story.

I caught it. Like I said, white flag. Just keep repeating that Israel hasn't been a victim. It might become true eventually. I'd definitely agree that they desire US financial support.

If Buffalo sports radio is any indication, I wouldn't put much credence on what DC radio says.

I should give you the Mitt treatment right now. White flag already? I must say, it's an endearing defense to plug your ears and say "nah-nah-nah." You almost swayed me.

False comparison. The Israelis were attacked long before they "overtook," anything. Do we have to do the same old "it was GB's land" song and dance? How many did they intend to kill? Pretty sure the payload in those rockets is able to kill more than that. Would the US have been justified in going after Al-Queda if they had caught and prevented 9/11? Yes, they would have been. Just because the Israelis are adept at protecting themselves doesn't somehow absolve Hamas and Gaza. We've discussed this before, and it's a nuance you fail to accept. It is not a "no harm, no foul" situation. Period.

Then how in the world is Israel's foreign policy conditional on US support?

Before I address this, I'd like to point out your contradictions. You said that the issues of US support and Israel's foreign policy were conflating because one is not possible with another. Then, not two posts later, you said that nothing would change in Israel if we reduced our financial support. What? Now, onto your post, killing those who do not recognize your right to exist and want your Nation destroyed is immoral and "murder?"

The way I view the Israel funding is like a prison. We are funding the "prison" that allows Palestinians to keep their lives and somewhat keep their homes. Without the money to fund this "prison," the Israelis would be forced to kill them because they can't hold or contain them. I agree with Tasker's insinuation that without our money, the Israelis would be forced to kill the Palestinians.

That's not what I said. They only have the means to kill a couple thousand Israelis, although that's a rough estimation. What would happen if we reduced our funding to Israel? Give me your predictions.

All it takes is one coaching staff thinking that with a change of scenery, they can make him decent.

It was a joke.

I think most of us feel that Israel's foreign policy is at least partially justified. That's a separate issue from sending financial aid, but they are usually conflated. I can see the benefits of sending aid to Israel, although I probably wouldn't vote for it myself. If there's any hatred present, it's for plans or ideas not grounded in realism.

Terrorist attacks are rare in Israel? Okay. What happened all last summer? Were bombs being launched daily at Israel, or am I misremembering? We've had this discussion before. We know where you stand. The Palestinians/Hamas only had the means to kill a couple thousand Israelis, which they try capitalize on. For whatever reason, this means Israel should say, "aw shucks, you guys aren't so bad." That's not how the world works. Tom is exactly correct with the Al Queda comparison. They were never going to storm the White House, but they were a threat to some of our citizens. What "dog in the fight" do you think any of us have?

All I'm getting from this is that EJ is better than Montana.

Bradford fetched Foles and a second. I refuse to accept that RG3 is worth a fifth. Just no.

Bradford fetched a first. He's still on the Skins because Snyder loves him and gave up a ton on him. They weren't willing to walk away and write those picks off as wastes.

Disagree. Browns offered a first for Bradford, who has been worse and hurt more.

Ah, got it. The other post implied differently to me.