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And if EJ turns out to be great, Dareus and the gang will all be gone. If your plan is to just get game manager QB's every four years from the draft, and use money elsewhere, uh, good luck. We haven't found one in 20, but we'll find two back-to-back?

It really isn't. We both don't think he's likely to succeed and we both want to look at other options next year until proven otherwise.

Love to hear your thoughts if someone does this to a Bills QB this season.

And you say I'm giving up on him?

It's not the same as giving up on him. Let's just say that EJ Manuel is a lottery ticket. I may think I have no chance to win, but that doesn't mean I'm not gonna hold on to it just in case.

Wanting him cut or not to get a chance. He has a less than 10% chance IMO. Why would I believe that he will be successful with those odds?

What QB's in the NFL would you consider excellent? What constitutes an "excellent performance" from the 31 other QB's in the NFL?

All other 31 QB's currently starting in the NFL.

I do get it John. You don't wish to compare EJ to his peers. A shame that that's who he has to play against.

B Marsh is doing some reminiscing after trying to catch passes from Fitz and Geno.

If you can't see the difference between EJ's performance in the Carolina game and his performance in the Chicago game, I don't know what to say. You are basically saying "EJ sucks, but he played decently against the worst defense in the league,so he really played excellently." You are lowering your standards. That's all fine in a debate, but compared to the rest of the NFL, with QB's much better than EJ, it was not him playing excellently. That's really all there is to it. I also enjoy how you are making the excuse that we couldn't "run the ball" yet in the Chicago game, we had almost 200 yards on the ground, including a huge one to end it on the game-winning drive. So, EJ gets the excuse that we couldn't run the ball in our best rushing game of the season, which means he played excellent? Remember when I talked about acrobatics?

True, but one or two game streaks could get you through the playoffs with this Bills roster. It was a post a mine from a couple of months ago, so quoted. I'm comparing him to his competition around the league.

It just doesn't make any sense.

John from Hemet says that EJ was excelling in that game. So you quoted him to agree with him after disagreeing with him?

The thing about "consistency in the playoffs" is that the teams that win the Superbowl are not always consistent. Joe Flacco isn't consistent. Neither is Eli. They both have had great games against good opponents, and really bad games. Short of hitting on a top 5 generational guy, you want a guy who, at his best, can play great, and you accept that he's gonna have some games or years where he'll play worse and fall short. Flacco is a good QB for this reason. He's had great games before, but whether it's luck, streaking or what have you, he put together a couple of his best to win a championship. So did Eli. And both of those guys have had really bad years as well. Rodgers, Brady, P. Manning are all great because they are consistent. A down year for one of those guys is an above average year for a Flacco/Eli QB. But Flacco/Eli both have the potential on any given Sunday to outduel one of those guys if they play well. That's the kind of QB I want to target short term. That's why I want Cutler. His season stats are a little above average, but not spectacular. I get that. But is there a available QB with a better chance to throw for 400 yards and 4 TD's on a random game? If you had to pick one QB out of the guys available for trade/FA, who gives you the best odds of winning a shootout against a great QB? That's the main reason why I, personally, don't have as much faith in EJ as I would like in delivering a Superbowl. He's had some good performances with good team performances, no question. But I haven't seen him elevate to that point where I go, "Woah, we could outscore anyone with EJ playing like this." I know it's a tall order, but I wish I had seen that. In short, I want a guy who has had multiple "hot" games where he's flat out dominated. I don't care about his lows. Consistency be damned. Just give me someone with a shot to play at a Pro-Bowl level for a game. That could be enough, with some luck.

You asked for a definition of excellent. There are excellent QB's in the NFL who do things like that constantly. Now that's not exactly my own definition, but playing competently and not puking on your shoes/not choking does not constitute "excellence." Decent? Sure. Excelling? Nah.

No one in their right mind would call the Chicago game "EJ excelling." Sorry.

Yes. A bunch of mediocre players, besides Freddy, who is ancient, and Glenn, who had issues all offseason, played poorly. Great. I don't begrudge you for buying into the Greg Roman silver bullet. I just don't buy it yet.

I believe his head exploded after 3 minutes.

He was overall terrible in 2014. 2 decent showings, and two complete debacles. Stats back that up, as well as every report from the team. A complete trend down from his 2013 campaign. You'll excuse me if that doesn't exactly inspire confidence. Own what? I don't believe EJ will succeed? Fine. I don't.

http://forums.twobillsdrive.com/topic/171732-i-hate-to-be-a-downer-but-robert-woods/ Lots of laughs in that one.

What exception has been made?

This All-22 confirms he isn't tough or fast in pads.

Not really.

I don't hate EJ, but I do find the acrobatics to defend him amusing.