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I contend that circumstances have now changed. We do not have a dominant defense. We do have a QB who is set to be up for contract extension next season. Barring a catastrophic year, TT will get paid, whether by the Bills or another team. He will not be under the rookie scale for 3 more years, like most QB's. He will be in the market for a franchise QB-esque contract, and thus the expectations (rightfully) change. It is no longer enough to score 20 points and blame the defense when you lose, if you want $100M. That's not acceptable.

Editor's note: As many of you invariably know, BringBackFergy has one of the sharpest football minds on TBD. The following post was sent to me by PM, and I thought it pertinent to share with the rest of the board. So as a disclaimer before the disclaimer, everything posted below this paragraph has been penned by Fergy and he is the sole owner of his words and ideas. Any prolonged disagreements may be sent directly to Fergy via PM or emailed to him at BringBackFergy@rocketmail.net. Thank you for your understanding. "DISCLAIMER: This topic is in no way meant to denigrate or overly praise Tyrod Taylor as an NFL QB. If your major takeaway from this post is that TT sucks or that TT is great, and you deem it necessary to respond with snark aimed towards the opposite viewpoint, please ring your call button and Tommy will come back there and hit you in the head with a tack hammer, because you are an idiot. Let's begin. As an FYI, many posters already know this song and dance and won't get anything out of it, but with a boring offseason looming ahead of us, I thought it worthwhile to write up a little something discussing mobile QB's, their success (and failure) in the NFL, and perhaps shine some light on what we may be able to expect in the 2016 season. If you don't find it worthwhile, please feel free to let me know. This topic is based on the premise of "mobile" QB's and the NFL. The major QB's I feel fit into this discussion is Cam Newton, Tyrod Taylor and RG3. I am not including Russell Wilson, because, while the very definition mobile, I believe he emerged from college as a very gifted passer and QB. Much more than the other 3. And I don't believe his own trajectory applies at all with the other 3. Now my own definition of "mobile." You may say, "Fergy, you moron, Alex Smith and Aaron Rodgers are both very mobile QB's in their own right, topic failure, I hate your guts." But I disagree with that premise. For the purposes of this discussion, I consider the QB's we are talking about capable of carrying a team to victory with their legs. An example to illustrate this point is the Tennessee game earlier this season. Cam, RG3 and Tyrod are the only ones capable of making that 3rd and long conversion with their legs, IMO. Alex Smith and Rodgers, while enjoying the benefits of speed and their ability to takeoff, do not possess that ability. Finally, we get to the meat. As you look at the first season of RG3, Cam and TT, you see many similarities. All 3 QB's emerged in their first year explosively. They had their ups and downs as rookies or first time starters, but their play was very encouraging to star-craved fanbases. They varied with W-L records, with Cam only managing 6-10 while putting up ridiculous numbers, RG3 at the other end with 10-6 and a playoff berth (and a decimation of Seattle prior to injury), and TT right in the middle with 8-8 (technically 8-6 but I'm not going back to see RG3's record because he also missed time, sue me.) However, both RG3 and Cam came into their second years and struggled to a varying degree. For Cam, his total TD number took a huge hit and his completion percentage dropped. He failed to replicate his great rookie performance his second year, but by no means could you call his second season a "failure." Meanwhile, RG3 experienced a catastrophic drop. He doubled his INT%, could not run anywhere close to as effectively, and failed to replicate his previous success. You know the rest of the story already. RG3 continued to decline and has been discarding as a has-been. Cam, after experiencing some rockiness, has emerged as a prolific passer and MVP-winner(I think). You could even extend this discussion to include mobile guys like Vince Young and Coin Kaepernick. The same trend continues to emerge. A somewhat explosive start with an eventual downtrend that they either escape, or more likely, spiral into the end their career. Using these guys as a baseline, I make my prediction for TT in 2016. I predict he will be a worse QB than 2015. A Cam Newton second season "decline" is one of our best case scenarios. An RG3, Vince Young, or Kaep catastrophe would be the worse case scenario. But I do believe it will be close to one or the other and that will indicate what kind of QB he will eventually become. The many causes for this kind of trajectory have been discussed. Figuring them out, keeping them in the pocket etc. etc. The one thing I do know is that there is going to be tape on TT next season, and he will be unlikely to catch teams unawares with his game and his favorite passes etc. In closing, Rex Ryan was correct in campaigning for Taylor early in the preseason. Mobile QB's certainly provide a "spark" not found by most rookie or young starters. However, once things become tougher, how they respond to adversity and their reliance on their physical gifts is what separates the Cam Newton's from the RG3's."

I don't agree. We had 0 points at halftime against the Redskins. While the defense did terribly that game, TT picked up no slack. If you want to divide the game into units, both the defense and offense failed in that one. TT also threw the game-sealing INT in the Eagles game, while completing just barely over 50% of his passes. An argument again splitting the game into units, the defense again failed by allowing the go-ahead FG, but TT failed to answer, or to muster a point in the 4th Q. He gets a C in that game and definitely contributed to the loss. And now onto KC. TT had a great first half, but then faltered in the second half. He neglected to throw to the WR that had accumulated well over 100 yards in the first half. When KC scored the "go ahead" TD to make the game 21-16, TT responded with his first drive in the second half by fumbling on our own 31. The defense actually held them to 3 plays and a FG. He then scored a TD to bring the game within 2, but was sacked on the game-tying conversion. Again breaking the game into units, the defense failed and Taylor gets a B- for that game. Scoring 6 points in a half isn't going to cut it, especially considering the neglect regarding Watkins. The streak ends today!

QB's have the most effect on W/L and thus are inextricably linked to it.

That RLB is allowed to post his opinion on TT in this topic, whether you believe it's flawed or not. You're kidding yourself if you believe that you wouldn't be all over a topic that said "PFF names EJM the best 3rd quarter preseason QB of all time." Topics about player accomplishments go hand in hand with discussion of their play. I reject bobo's assertion that because this topic is about some random award a flawed website gave out, that posters are not allowed to discuss their opinion of TT's play, regardless of it being positive or negative. Outside of that, I have no dog in the fight. I remember countless posters trying to shout me down in EJ topics because they were supposed to be "positive." TBD never has and hopefully never will be a message board that silences dissenting opinions or creates echo chambers. Outside of that, I don't have a dog in the fight. I am encouraged by TT's performance. I think he had some bright spots. I also temper that opinion with what I believe to be some deep flaws in his game, both seen and unseen. I hope he improves in 2016 and earns a $100 million contract. I can see some reasons for both believing that he will and believing that he won't. I won't pretend that player evaluation is "cut and dried." I believe that even with some positives, it's possible to be down on a player, as I was in EJ's 2013. And it's very possible that players that hasn't established themselves to be very polarizing. Like it or not, just because TT had a better first season as a starter than EJM, does not mean that I have to like him more. I could, and I am more likely to like him, but it just doesn't mean that. Player opinion is just that, opinion. It is sometimes logically inconsistent. It's that simple.

Sad.

And what is germane to that discussion is if he deserved such an award. I realize it's frustrating when other folks disagree with you, but that's what message boards are for. Attempting to silence dissenting opinions is not necessary or welcome, unless they are clearly crusading.

This is a topic about TT. Discussing his season is not derailing. If you want an echo chamber, I'm sure you can find one elsewhere.

PFF and Pro Bowl are both very flawed.

They would all be paying 10%. Not more.

This is cathartic. I'm happy for you.

Well maybe you should follow the conversation or start your own.

"I know Rodak is wrong here. You want proof? Just ask me!"

That doesn't make sense.

Your fallacious nature truly knows no bounds.

But what can we really know, John? We have no idea how this move is gonna work out!

Metz, Ryan thinks there's some serious flaws with Tyrod's game and that we're not out of the woods yet. That may be a tad more pessimistic than your take, but he has a point. Even you know that. This whole board doesn't have to share the same opinion of every single player.

Why can't he be 4th string?

Cut Greg Little (a guy who will never be a player in this league) and give his spot to JFF. Tell him if he makes one mistake, he's done.

I think that that's definitely possible. I think the way the narrative is presented sorta changes the connotations. They way PTR said it, it sounded like a Law and Order episode.

It actually doesn't make sense, but hey.

Really? Risk his career for an embarrassing incident?

What do you think happened?

Don Banks Verified account ‏@DonBanks Source says Eagles have interest in Jim Schwartz as defensive coordinator. Do not know if he's Doug Pederson's DC choice, or the team's? I thought Iggles ran a 3-4?