FireChan

If you recall my original post, I said nothing about "protesting scheme." I said buy-in. Self-preservation mode, not buying-in come from the same root. Their hearts weren't in it. I don't think it was a planned protest, but if some guy is telling you to do X and he sucks, and X has proven to suck, and the last 20 times you tried X it sucked, the average guy's heart isn't gonna be in it anymore. That's just human nature.

What QB should we have developed in the last 20 years? Brad Smith? He was a dummy from Mizzou.

QB is the most important. Tell the fans to shut up.

Personally, I think he said we can stop the run or stop the pass with this personnel, but not both. And he schemed/called plays around the pass.

None of those things happened. He got hired away to be an HC for the job he did here. There's a semantic argument for "quitting" at best, but no one could say coordinators getting hired away as HC's is a Buffalo thing.

Gilmore and ZB come to mind as two guys who were obviously "sacrificing their pride and legacy," on multiple occasions.

I'm not sure anyone could stop the run with that sorry group of LB's. I think Kirk Morrison was out there at one point.

Substantial retort.

It's a passing league. He neglected the run a little bit, sure. But I think his personnel dictated that to a large degree. Why?

I take him with a boulder of salt, personally.

Inb4 the run defense sucked!11111!!!!!!11111!!!!1eleven!!!!1111 I don't think bringing Pettine back would be the craziest idea ever. To clear up some misconceptions about the 2013 defense, let's look at the whole picture of their stats. The numbers: 20th in points 10th in yards 6th in takeaways 12th in FD's 4th in passing yards 20th in passing TD's 3rd in NY/A 28th in rushing yards 8th in rushing TD's 23rd in YPC 9th in TO forced per drive 7th in drive time allowed 5th in plays allowed per drive 2nd in yards per drive, 12th in points per drive Those numbers with the exception of the rushing totals and YPC are pretty good. With Pettine, it seemed we had the attacking defense we were promised these last 2 seasons, defenses that got the ball back and got off the field. Below average point totals with above average drive numbers point to a defense who did very well on a drive to drive basis, but got hung out to dry just a bit too often. Are they as good as Schwartz's numbers? No, admittedly, they are not. But with the presumptive replacement of Shaq for Mario, I don't foresee a front 4 as disruptive in 2017 as 2014 in the event of a switch to a blander 4-3, Mario's recent decline notwithstanding. Here are a few more arguments for Pettine. -Less scheme overhaul. While the 2016 Rex D and 2013 Pettine D surely had differences, I'd have to imagine that Pettine, being from Rex's coaching tree, shares some of the same terminology, concepts and plays. Not only would this prove valuable to the 2013 vets, but the guys who have been here the last 2 years don't have to empty their noggins. Shaq, Ragland, Preston, etc don't have to learn a wildly different system. Even malcontents like Dareus can remember some of the crayon from 2013, hopefully. I believe Pettine also simplified a bunch of stuff. -History of success. While the defense wasn't elite or even great by any means in 2013, only good, lots of our players had great years. Hughes burst on the scene with 10 sacks. Dareus and Kyle were very effective. Robey looked to be a true gem as an UDFA, etc. This helps the locker room buy in a little more. -Improved run defense due to overhauled LB group. The 2013 run defense was bad. But who were our ILB's/MLB's? We had Kiko and Bradham. Kiko consistently was swallowed up by blocks and Bradham had his own share of struggles. With the new group of Preston Brown and Zach Brown, I think the run D would be vastly improved. -Just more talent in general. Darby is better than 2013 Leo. LorAx, if he's still here, is better than Manny/Moats. We would just need to fill a hole at S and we'd be going. Overall, if the plan at OBD is to get this defense cooking and rely on it in 2017, getting a defense that lots of our players have at least seen, and one that won't require much turnover makes quite a bit of sense, IMO.

I didn't see you made the OP. Was just adding some context. LaCanfora got killed here when Rex survived the Monday after the Steelers game, and he ended up being right on the money.

Maybe he's already been told.

Said Rex would be fired etc etc.

Playoff appearances don't necessarily make leaders. Kyle Williams is looked at as a leader by the lockeroom and he's never been there either.

Those guys are very rare in today's NFL.

How is it BS?

Faking bad play? Or not putting in full effort to tackle? Do you think Preston Brown forgot how to tackle in 2 years?

Do you think all the remnants of the 2014 D forgot how to tackle? Or they alligator armed it because they didn't buy in? See above.

You'll find it amazing how quickly "learning how to tackle" happens when guys play in a scheme they buy into.

Petrine was above average.

Are you taking into account the fact that the Jacksonville offense goes three and out a lot?

All opinions are based off experiences. If Dareus thought Schwartz's scheme was good, he would want to go back to it. If Sammy thought Marrone's coaching style was good, he would want to go back to it. It's the same thing, really. Whaley speaks.

When Dareus says, "We need a less complicated defensive system, someone who lets us get after it out there," or whatever, do you think that opinion of what scheme he wants is painted by his experience in Schwartz's uncomplicated attacking 4-3? See above.

What other disciplinarian did Sammy play for? You always were sweet on me.