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If you feel the need to discuss this, why not take it to a thread where it's on topic? I'll be happy to debate you there instead of derailing this thread.

I haven't seen anything saying he was selected. He did interview today and spoke with the media after the interview. Edit: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070105/ap_on_...cardinals_coach

Nice try (I'll give you credit for at least trying to hide your attempt at an insult by burying it in a poor logical equivalent). Where this fails to demonstrate a similar pattern of logic is that you fail to clearly define the subject in terms of "giving" and "given" using an ambiguous subject as the point of the argument. There is no question as to the subject of who is being moved or to where they are moving in Willis' statements. Again though, nice try. Any other takers?

Settle down Francis... If you were hoping to "be done arguing this 3 pages ago" why are you still posting? It would seem that I'm not the one having an issue with logic. At any rate, I'm still waiting for Ramius or you to actually pose a counterpoint. Or, at the very least, discredit or disprove one or more of the premises used to formulate my conclusion. Instead you both have resorted to an arguement ad nauseam approach, which serves no purpose other than to flood this thread with more meaningless text. Demonstrate what is out of context rather than just saying "omfg out of context" and we might actually have something that resembles a proper discussion on our hands. Otherwise, I would suggest that you take a dose of your own medicine and "drop it".

You can comprehend that my arguement is stupid, but you can't exlpain why, huh? I'm still waiting for someone to refute it. Simply saying "duh yer a dummy leik that other guy" is insufficient. I can at least agree with Dankenstein, that there is potential to say that the definitions could be debated, but that can be said for nearly any arguement. Dank, I don't know that I'm reading too much into it, as the logical premises are not contrived from his statement, they ARE his statements. You (Ramius), on the other hand just seem to not like what I am saying, and trying to articulate that feeling is apparently hurting your brain. If I don't understand something you type it will likely be due to an inability to communcate your thoughts correctly. So please, go ahead and try Ramius. Let's see what you have up your sleeve. And then once you have enlightened us all with your intellect, you can laugh at me, sitting here with a furrowed brow, sweating trying to comprehend the genius that is sure to be your next post.

Like I told DrDankenStein, can you refute the logic? I'm guessing since you responded with misspellings and insults that you cannot.

Well why don't you tell me where I came to the wrong conclusion as opposed to trying to argue with a one-liner? I bet you can't. Here is the quote: "When asked about the possibility of an NFL team in Toronto, McGahee said, "That would be a good situation. Toronto is a beautiful place. But if they're going to put a team there, they should just bring the Buffalo Bills to Toronto. Case closed." 1. "That would be a good situation." - A response to the question regarding the possibility of a team in Toronto. You with me so far? (I bet I would have lost Willis right there). 2. "But if they're going to put a team there, they should just bring the Buffalo Bills to Toronto. Case closed" If there is going to be a NFL team in Toronto, Willis has stated that it should be the Buffalo Bills. So, what we have is this: According to Willis, an NFL team going to Toronto would be "good". If a team goes to Toronto, it should be the Bills. Therefore, the Bills going to Toronto would be good. Does that clear things up for you?

Funny, I'm willing to bet if you asked LT who is the best RB in the league, he would give you a response that is a bit more classy. And why do you assume that I hate Willis? He is a retard, but I don't hate him. I just simply feel that between being a moron (not knowing down and distance, not knowing how to use a condom, saying things that anyone with half a brain would know to be inflamatory, at least in the eyes of fans and possibly ownership), having some character flaws (unless you can defend someone fathering 3 kids with three different women as an intelligent individual with a strong character), and being a mediocre football player (5 TD"s last year in 16 games, 6 this year in 14), that it's no surprise that people don't want him around anymore. Why is that so hard to understand? Edit: And for those of you arguing that Willis didn't say the Bills should move, I'm sorry but you are wrong. He actually did. Granted it was predicated on Toronto getting an NFL frnachise, but he did say it. Logically, it looks like this: A Toronto NFL Team = good situation. If (Toronto gets an NFL team) Then (The Bills should move to Toronto). In other words, the Bills moving to Toronto is good, according to Willis.

I highly doubt our "mensa" candidate is able to think quite so clearly. If you think those of us who are upset with the quote are reading too much into it, the same could be said for your response. I doubt practicality was his reasoning behind the statement. More than likely his thought process was something like this: "Damn there be some fly b*tches up there in Canada.. hells yeah the Bills should go there..."

Don't get me wrong, I actually prefer Penthouse to Playboy, but I bet Playboy wouldn't bother to interview Willis. And I don't care what he said before or after the fact. Saying the Bills should move is retarded. Having 3 babies out of wedlock with 3 different mothers is retarded. Saying you are the leagues best RB, also retarded. Saying you didn't know what down it was and then backtracking by saying it was a joke is retarded. Anyone detecting a trend with Willis?

Ahh yes, Penthouse. The home of 2nd rate nude models is now also home to 2nd rate running backs.

I like Obama for one big reason... Obama != Hillary

Ah yes, I probably should have included that.... But yeah, you are right on the money. The guys in Iron Priest perfer "Tribute" and Big Balls refer's to itself as an AC/DC "rip-off" band. I could care less. I get paid to do what I already do at home for free!

So when KRC and Crap throwing monkey defend Islam until they are blue in the face, I can now assume it's part of a jihad? Awesome. Seriously though, I think the interweb is gonna be the downfall of the islamic extremists. There will be too many voices and it will cause them to splinter. Plus, countermeasures can be used to put out false jihadist material. I mean, the DoD could have very well released this software in hopes that these sh*t heads will actually use it to transmit secure messages that our govt. can easily intercept.

Iron Priest and Big Balls. Both are regular nominees (but never winners ) and the Buffalo Music Awards. In fact Big Balls was nominated this year and we've been on hiatus for almost 2 years! We are going to start playing gig's again in the very near future, probably once the new Rock 'n' Roll Heaven opens up.

I enjoy gaming quite a bit. PC, Console, whatever. Basically have every system sans PS3. I'm a guitar player in 2 popular local bands and enjoy music a lot. I also do some videography and have done a music video for The Juliet Dagger as well as a public service announcement for AIDS awareness. Also a bit of a home techie/home theater buff... I just need a bigger home. I'm also spending a lot of time getting ready for the LSAT in case I decide I've had enough of IT/banking. Love sports, go to lots of Bills and Sabres fans. Drinking and strip clubs are a lot of fun too.

Well at least you'll have time for a hockey rematch this weekend. I get to be the Sabres this time though!

And let's not forget that during the Clinton presidency, tech jobs were being created like McGahee babies. Not so much due to his policies as it was timing.

Any prep course recommendations?

Just curious about admission criteria. My GPA in college was a paltry 2.79 (partying was far more important) but I have my BS in Computer Science. Actually did pretty well in most of my courses, but let a couple of D's and F's slide in there, mostly because I really didn't give a rats a$$. Been in the banking industry for about 6 years, and I'm also a vet and get get some sweet letters of recommendation. But really, with my GPA, it's mostly gonna boil down to the LSAT, or so I'm guessing. My thought is, I'll probably need somewhere in the neighborhood of a 165-170, which, I feel I can attain with some preperation. Right now the few test/practice ones I've taken with no prep or study have me in the mid to low 160's. If I can push my average up by 5 points, I think 170 or even higher isn't unreasonable. Any thoughts? (Aside from "yeah don't do it there are already enought lawyers...") Thanks in advance.

I've been thinking about getting back into this game. If you get with the right bunch of guys it can be pretty fun. Yeah the learning curve was steep when I played (may 2 or so years ago) but I think there have been some significant updates since then that make the game more playable while still maintaining it's unique qualities. If you end up getting it let me know, as I might give it another go.

I hope Santa brings you a clue.

Thanks for the clarification, I see what you were getting at now...

For the record, I think he is wrong too... but I'm not sure I understand your logic here... He declined a safe job in Iraq, sort of proving that it isn't his personal safety that is his main concern. He is against that particular conflict so by refusing a presumably safe job there, he kinda stood by his convictions. Either way though, his CIC is saying "go do this" and he "thinks" it's an illegal order. At that level you aren't paid to make those decisions. He isn't being asked to do anything illegal or immoral as far as I can tell, so yeah, they should throw the book at him. Kinda embarrassing to me, as he is 2nd ID, of which I was once a member.

From ESPN: "The Bills probably won't make the playoffs, but Dick Jauron deserves some coach of the year consideration." "Titans defense scores three TDs for the first time in the 47-year history of the Oilers/Titans. Oh yeah, they've also won five in a row and are in the middle of the playoff race." So with us ahead of them in the tie breaker, they are still in the playoff hunt, and we are not?