Mickey
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3 minutes ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said:
this lazy narrative is annoying to me. And I’m not R or D... On one hand the liberal state governors are applauded for their actions and Btw are saying the fed has no authority and will not tell states what to do even though those states have been astronomically impacted anyway.
But then on the other hand the fed gov is all to blame for the current state of this pandemic cases count and death toll.
tell me how both can be true?
Well it is quite easy for both to be true and your premise is nonsense. No state is saying the feds have "no authority". Saying they can't control school openings does not translate to state's saying they have "no authority" over anything. There are things the feds control exclusively and things states control exclusively. There are situations where authority is overlapping. And in terms of a unified response, regardless of who has authority over what, active federal leadership is invaluable. And there is a big difference between a federal directive that worsens the epidemic and one that actually makes sense such as "wear masks if you feel like it" versus "masks are mandatory". So yes, both things can be true, they are not mutually exclusive. The feds have messed up when they have been active and, fortunately, many states have ignored their most moronic suggestions.
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Just now, MJS said:
I don't personally blame any politician or local leader for the measures taken in the US. I think most have been doing the best they can (including the president) and a lot of people are judging using hindsight. Mistakes were made, but it's not surprising that mistakes were made given the situation and the lack of knowledge we were all dealing with.
But yeah, everything from China appears to be quite fishy. And we shouldn't trust what claims they are making regarding COVID-19.
So what is the reason why so much of the country is doing so badly compared to Germany and just about everywhere else in Europe? If this is the best they can do, we are $*@#ed.
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13 minutes ago, Beast said:
New York has had the worst numbers in the country since this began and it isn't even close.
"had" being the operative word, how are we doing now? NY's numbers hit when we knew nothing about the virus. Because of its international airports it hit there first. With their population density, it spread quickly. In time NY figured it out with next to no help from the feds. These other states had waaaaay more warning and time to prepare than NY did and they wasted it. NY's crisis hit when the equipment shortages were at their worst and there was no time to fix it. Do you think that other states did something special early on that NY didn't that caused their numbers to be lower in March and April while NY's soared? If so, I'd love to hear what it was and please add in an explanation as to why whatever magic they were using before is suddenly not working now? A fine finish would be to explain why on earth it gets you anywhere to make the point that NY got hit so badly. What is your point? If you prove that NY was awful, does that excuse what is happening in Texas and Florida? Should those states not learn from what worked and did not work in NY? Or is your only point to "own the libs" or some other political bs that has no place in the middle of a pandemic?
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I would love it if they went with the Rockpile but then I thought that we couldn't do better than "Hunter's House" in honor of the Kelly family and the son they loved so much.
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2 hours ago, ExWNYer said:
I think everyone old enough remembers where they were when they first found out that Finland had been awarded the 1952 Olympics. Its just one of those things.
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18 hours ago, ohboychoboy said:
Exactly this. For some reason, people tend to ignore the most important scoreboard of all -- Deaths per Million population. And when you do that The COVID Kings are:
New Jersey - 1757 Deaths/MilNew York - 1666 Deaths/MilConnecticut - 1220 Deaths/MilMassachusetts - 1206 Deaths/MilRhode Island - 921 Deaths/MilD.C. - 805 Deaths / MilLouisianna - 736 Deaths / MilMichigan - 632 Deaths/MilBy comparison:Arizona - 307 Deaths/MilGeorgia - 283 Deaths/MilFlorida - 198 Deaths/MilTexas - 111 Deaths/MilOklahoma - 107 Deaths/MilAll these current hot-spots have a loooooooonnnnnnggggg way to go before they top Andrew Cuomo and the COVID sewers of the northeast.Lets forget that NY's worst days occurred at the very beginning when no one knew what was going on, what to do or what was coming. Lets ignore their population density and two of the busiest international airports feeding infected travelers into NYC on a daily basis. Lets ignore the equipment shortages that hit in March and April. Lets ignore the fact that Texas and Florida had months more time to prepare, much more knowledge and more resources to prevent what is happening in their states now. Lets do all that so we can pretend that they didn't blow it and if that doesn't work, somehow twist "New York was worse" as an excuse for the incompetence now paying grim dividends in states which had way more opportunities than NY ever did to prevent this mess.
May I suggest some summer reading for you:
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1 hour ago, snafu said:
I’m not sure if it would make much of a difference, but they could play every ten days or two weeks to deal with testing/tracing. They could probably get a 12 game season that way.
Letting fans in the stadium should be decided by State/local health departments — which is how they’re handling that so far.
Sure, letting the states each make their own rules has worked out perfectly so far. Thank goodness the virus recognizes and respects state borders. I bet WWII would have been over much quicker than it was if we went to war one state at a time. Isn't that the first rule of warfare, "dispersement of force"?
Seriously, I think they should have one set of rules league wide. Go 100% Mordor: One rule for the Players in their Locker rooms of formica, One rule for the owner-lords under their stadiums, One rule to bring them all and in the virus bind them. In the land of the NFL, where the pigskins lie.
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Havlicek stole the ball!!! Havlicek stole the ball!!
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I had to see a grief counselor after this game.
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11 hours ago, BillsDude said:
He has a right to be concerned. Anyone who says otherwise is a fool. A bunch of grown men hanging around each other for about four hours sneezing, coughing and spitting, then with phlemn flying onto each other as they pound each other and yell profanities. Some may even go pee and have it spray all over. That is not even factoring in the nose pickers and guys that hug, and the ones handing sharpie pens to teammates after a TD. They use the same toilets too I think. While fans are sitting at home on weekends, thry have to worry about that c**p. They worked their entire butts off for ten yrs or more, and all the money in the world means nothing if get that virus thing. Likely a life of returning respiratory probs, assuming no death occurs. Only a crazy person would not worry.
I confess I have never been in an NFL locker room (due to still active restraining orders) but I had no idea that players spend their time bathing in mucous, snacking on each other's boogers and peeing on each other. I guess I should have taken all that talk about "team chemistry" more literally.
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3 hours ago, SlimShady'sSpaceForce said:
Why? Play w/o a packed stadium.
Sell blocks of seats so that capacity runs 30 to 50 % capacity.
Playing the game isn't going to cause more harm. It will keep people in front of a TV for 4 to 12 hours depending on fanhood.
That is better than them going out to public parks and beaches where the morons can infect more people in public.
And when you need to get to go to the bathroom or get a beer, will you levitate your way to the aisle? As I recall, negotiating your way to the aisle requires a whole lot of butt-to-face interactions measured in inches. Whether you have to go past 50 people or 25 or 33 or whatever, there is going to be a whole lot of social intimacy. I am so glad that we invented television.
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As my Uncle Zeeb used to say, when a ship is sinking, the idea is to get everyone off the ship, not recruit additional passengers. Is the ship sinking? Only time will tell but lord knows, it's not looking good.
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8 hours ago, Lurker said:
https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2020/07/05/kim-pegula-bills-owner-fmia-guest-nfl/
I really enjoyed the bit about "Employees are family." A whole lot of hot air / PR-speak to unpack in that column...
It is a lot like my family. Like the time we cut cousin Chuckie (his knees were shot) or the time we traded Uncle Zeeb for two nephews and a sister-in-law to be named later. That one really made Thanksgiving Dinners a lot less combative.
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41 minutes ago, Beast said:
Have you watched football for the last 35 years?To this day, there are people that slip up and call the Indianapolis Colts the Baltimore Colts.
But you failed to answer my question. What should we refer to the Redskins when we talk about their past?
I am under no obligation to answer your questions but I actually did by giving several examples of how to handle that, ie the same way we handle the Minneapolis Lakers and the New York Titans, we forget their old name and use their new name. Not exactly a verbal gordian knot.
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2 hours ago, Beast said:
So, if they do change their name what do we call them when refering to them about their past?
Will people start crying and throw tantrums if we say the Redskins were the first opponent the Bills played at Rich Stadium?
Will people be looked upon as racists if someone slips up and call them the Redskins?
I mean, Redskin appears to be a racial slur so should it now be treated like the N word? Will people lose their jobs if they say that word?
And, yes...I am being totally serious about these questions.
I seem to be able to muddle through life without using the word "redskins" without too much trouble. When I talk about the Jets, it hasn't been necessary for me to refer to them as the team formerly known as the New York Titans. When I talk about the Lakers, it hasn't been a real stumbling block to just forget that they were ever the Minneapolis Lakers.
Is there some reason why you just don't think you'll be able to make it through life without the word "redskins" as an active part of your vocabulary?
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1 hour ago, DrDawkinstein said:
That's a lot of fancy talk, and I'm an idiot, but I believe that says the waivers would be meaningless. Yes?
I'm sure the NFL knows that too.
To go back to the original article in the first post of the thread, it just says the "NFL is considering". Which means nothing. It means it was brought up once in a brainstorming session and that's as far as it went because the league knows better.
Waivers aint gonna happen.
Folks need to get on board with doing what it takes to squelch our outbreak. There is no political or legal way around the virus. Only science.
You are correct sir. It can get complicated by many other factors but essentially, the waivers may very well be unenforceable.
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NY General Obligations Law 5-326:
Every covenant, agreement or understanding in or in connection with, or collateral to, any contract, membership application, ticket of admission or similar writing, entered into between the owner or operator of any pool, gymnasium, place of amusement or recreation, or similar establishment and the user of such facilities, pursuant to which such owner or operator receives a fee or other compensation for the use of such facilities, which exempts the said owner or operator from liability for damages caused by or resulting from the negligence of the owner, operator or person in charge of such establishment, or their agents, servants or employees, shall be deemed to be void as against public policy and wholly unenforceable.
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47 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said:
I respect your point. But it’s kinda odd he has never been a very accurate passer on any level. I think this is something fans just are hoping will improve.
what I’ve struggled with is we are hoping Allen becomes a better player in the NFL than he was in the MWC. That seems like a huge bet to make. This board loves to dismiss Lamar Jackson and Cam but those guys have flat out dominated at times. How many times can we say Allen dominated a game?
Similarly, some people are hoping that surgeons with years of experience will be better surgeons than they were in med school. Seems like a huge bet to make.
Oddly enough, the same people hope that lawyers in their 3rd year of practice will be better lawyers than they were in law school. Another huge bet, no?
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11 minutes ago, H2o said:
If anything, I think they should let the fans themselves decide. Offer a waiver of liability and let in as many as want to come. Don't allow any kind of fan, player interactions like we see so often, but let them choose for themselves whether they want to be there.
Agreed. Sure, some of them might contract the disease and then spread it to people who did not go to the game, did not sign a liability waiver and who obeyed all the rules about large gatherings but those people should just shut up and die, or recover or whatever because we need football. While we are at it, why not let drunk drivers decide for themselves if they want to drive drunk? Sure, some people might get hurt or killed or whatever but c'mon, freedom has a price.
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I have a soft spot in my heart for the Jets as the AFL franchise that first won a championship over an NFL team in SB3. And for so many years they have been an amusing clown show on and off the field that is pretty hard to generate too much animus towards them. As for their fans, I can sympathize with their suffering and besides, Larry David is a fan so I can't really hate their fans either.
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Somebody has been in quarantine too long...
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1 hour ago, Putin said:
How many people here can peacefully protest at work ? No not during lunch break but during actual work time that you are getting paid for , can a cashier at a grocery get on his knee for 5 minutes and peacefully protest while there’s 20 people waiting line ?
Or maybe I can call my boss and tell him I had to shut down the rig ( oil production) because my guys wanted to peacefully protest?
Most of us have two options either follow the company policy OR find another jobGO BILLS !!!
News Flash: NFL players are not the equivalent of an hourly stiff at Jiffy Lube. They have options that you and I don't.
News Flash: the league, "the company" in your analogy has now said that its policy against kneeling was wrong so if players kneel this year it is with the blessing of their "boss".
Update your analogy to "how may of us can peacefully protest at work if our boss gives us the okay?" Answer: everyone.
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2 hours ago, Artful Dodger said:
I voted "no" because I don't want to be reminded about political or social problems when I'm watching sports. Sports is supposed to be an escape. On the other hand, if it makes the players happy and they play harder and as a result, the Bills get one or two more wins, I'm all in favor of it.
Politics have always been a part of sports and sports have always been a part of politics. From Roman Emperors crowning gladiators and charioteers with laurel wreathes to Presidents throwing out the first baseball and inviting champions to the White House. Sports are part of society as is politics. They can't help but mix and always have.
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Pretty hard not to be on this man's side, on and off the field.
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NFL Players Staging Revolt
in The Stadium Wall Archives
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yes, as do the owners and team spokespersons