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13 minutes ago, boyst said:
i get it. and the other guy and i are not going to agree.
but my point is if we were truly drafting bpa there were better players available then elam in the first and that would have done a whole lot for later in the draft which would not have gave us Cook perhaps. and it's hard to judge now or then if bernard or benford were bpa. shakir surely was. many in the league came out saying it after.
You can't always do BPA though. In 2022 for example - they just extended morse, and linderbaum was too small (6'2 295) to play guard. So you're either cutting morse, and his cap hit is probably higher in 2022, or you would have been drafting a player in the first that will be firmly on the bench.
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1 hour ago, Breakout Squad said:
Puka was slower than defensive lineman in the 40 at the combine. I don’t think anyone should be blamed for not drafting him. It’s all hindsight now.
is he a slot receiver though? He seems to line up outside quite a bit.
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Just now, TBBills Fan said:
I'm sure the coaches/front offices would be bringing this up if it was an issue. But they are not.
They could also say no to Tom being there for this preproduction stuff. But they are not.
Florios ego drives stories like this he is crusading on
I think he wrote 25 articles about lamar not having an agent and that it was costing him money in the long run, and that its a distraction, and that he doesn't know how to negotiate. Like it was so obvious he was representing agents in his articles.
5 years and 260 million later (he'll save 7.8M on agent fee's in the life of this contract), i think Lamar's doing alright. Agent's help you secure other money opps like advertising and stuff, but they also take more of a % on those things.
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On 9/17/2025 at 8:59 AM, boyst said:
Yes I think it was a bad plan. We drafted by need at CB in the first round. Then by BPA later supposedly. Though, it was said BPA in the first round according to Beanie.
Round 1, Pick 23: Kaiir Elam, CB, Florida
Round 2, Pick 63: James Cook, RB, Georgia
Round 3, Pick 89: Terrel Bernard, LB, Baylor
Round 5, Pick 148: Khalil Shakir, WR, Boise State
Round 6, Pick 180: Matt Araiza, P, San Diego State
Round 6, Pick 185: Christian Benford, CB, Villanova
Round 6, Pick 209: Luke Tenuta, OT, Virginia Tech
Round 7, Pick 231: Baylon Spector, LB, Clemson
Round 1 we had needs at Center considering we were planning on moving on from Morse (which, well, you'd think we had that plan ahead of time because long term planning). So, Linderbaum was a solid talent and better than Elam as BPA goes. From Cole Strange (G) to Lloyd (LB) there were better BPA available than Elam. Even Breece Hall was a need and BPA and we went RB in round 2. Cook was not going to be an every down back or the talent he became by draft projection. We got a good bargain there.
So round 2 we passed up pass rush which we needed. Bitonio was there as was OC Fortner.
Round 3 we got Bernard who has respect among Bills fans but we over celebrate him. Got a steal there but it wasn't until round 5 that we projected to actually get someone that was at the time considered a great pick - Shakir.
Araiza and Benford; one a punter which ok..whatever. And Benford who we really lucked out with in the 6th.
We needed help at CB and double dipped hedging our bets. I don't think that's effective.
Hindsight is 20/20 so judging the results by the fruit on the vine isn't fair. If you're doing that also count Araiza who is still playing, please
The overall plan was not solid. If we truly went BPA we would have got anyone else but Elam. Let's say we got Breece Hall in round 1. Round 2 BPA is not Cook but Bonitto, a need for us. Round 3 we could still go with Bernard and double dip at LB since Bonitto is a rusher. Or gone with guard, a need taking Parham or Rhyan.
So, judging 20/20 to what we ended up by the fruit on the vine doesn't show we had a good plan going in... We drafted BPA and double dipped at CB and took gambled on Benford, Bernard, and a freaking punter.
I never said it was a bad draft. I said it was not planned well.
See above. Words matter.
They went in drafting players saying they were BPA but... They were of need and we got 2 to pan out. Shakir and Cook. Bernard is good but not great. He is also a little light for my liking and durability is a concern. We need a replacement in 2-3 years.
Feelings and such. Cute but we disagree.
Settle down, Dorothy.
I think you can make the linderbaum argument in the first - he was a consensus first round guy. After that its a crapshoot.
Round 2 - Cook leads all players in the 2022 draft in rushing yards, and is 3rd in rushing TDs. Hall in the 1st would be a worse use of resources.
Round 3 - Starting MLB for the team after his rookie year, and one of only 2 team captains the last 2 seasons. I'm not sure there is anyone after that that projects to be your captain.
Round 5 - Shakir was projected higher, and was a comparable prospect to someone like Moore that KC got in the 2nd. He was just the odd man out in a deep class so he
Buffalo got a Starting RB, MLB, WR, and CB out of 8 picks, with only 3 in the top 100. Thats a good draft.
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16 minutes ago, Mikie2times said:
Miami would F us with a Tyreek trade. Yes, he would be effective. It would elevate them considerably, especially if Worthy and Rice are healthy.
Not sure what Miami would get back in the trade - but what is the point of tyreek as a deep threat when you have brown. For the motion looks they like to run, worthy seems to be the guy there. Rice is primarily in the slot.
If Worthy projects to miss a lot of time going into the 2nd half maybe? I just feel like these WRs get brought on mid-season and never make the same level of impact.
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3 minutes ago, T.E. said:
He has a real issue with trying to speak things he wants to happen in to reality, whether it's an award for a player he likes or something like a lawsuit he'd like to see levied against the league or specific team owners. It's really transparent and makes it impossible to take him seriously as a journalist.
Can't stand florio. He's treating this whole situation like brady and media get some super juicy information and that its destroying the integrity of the NFL.
Coaches look at it like - you already get the film? Brady's watched film for 25 years, he's going to get more out of that than a recording of a practice (that isn't an all-22) he probably didn't watch. As for interviews, same thing - you get 95% coach speak and the rest is just personal conversations.
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4 hours ago, Billsatlastin2018 said:
“It's an obvious conflict of interest to be an owner of a team and a broadcaster with access to other NFL teams.”
THIS, ^^^^
No need to beat a dead horse. Only those unfamiliar with COI AND corporate HR codes prohibiting same, can’t comprehend this fact!
This is an obvious black eye for the NFL.
Brady cannot be allowed to broadcast or have differentiated access via FOX Sports to ANY Raider opponents.
A decision needs to be made, as multiple sources have raised the COI.
The media seems to be the one thinking this is a conflict though. Coaches never seem to care because they give the media nothing anyway.
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I think he's a genius and bought his way out of work. Spend money for minority ownership in a product that is guaranteed to increase in value. Get out of having to go to practices so I he can do it virtually - aka he's sitting on his ass at home not watching. Can probably also use the owner excuse to get out of meetings he doesn't wanna go to. It's brilliant! If he was better at his job he'd sound more prepared, and he sounds like he read a 1-pager during every game.
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58 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:
they drafted and handpicked that garbage after two training camps lol
they didn't have a plan. they were/are in the process of being saved by allen's greatness. it's ok to admit that
It's my annual reminder that preseason is literally not at all comparable to actual NFL football. When the rookies look good I always remind myself that under the right circumstances, peterman looked good.
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11 minutes ago, Ethan in Cleveland said:
No LB in the NFL can cover a RB or decent TE. The coverage LB is a total fallacy. Plus we play moslty zone nickel. They just need to occupy their zone and get to the deep middle in cover 2.
Read and reacting is the skill most needed. That is what made Milano exceptional and what made Edmunds expendable. Size may or may not translate to durability but it doenst mean they can't play pass defense well.
Post June 1 cut. Thank you for your service. Time to move on.
I don't think it works that way with void money (someone can feel free to correct me), but my understanding was that all of that bonus money gets front loaded in a void year.
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12 minutes ago, finn said:
I'm not, though. I fully support Milano in his struggles. When healthy, he's one of the best players on the team, and I wouldn't advocate cutting or trading him even if he misses half the season. I'm merely ruing that we've seen this picture before, much like anyone noting any unfortunate pattern related to the Bills. I'm not sure how you could see that as criticism. I'm sure he, his teammates and coaches are frustrated, too.
I think this offseason needs to have a real milano plan.
He's slated to have a 11M cap hit in 2026 currently in void money. If he's brought back, the void money reduces in 2026 to about 6M, and then there's a little under 5M in 2027. If you can make the cap hit roughly the same 11M or thereabouts without making significant changes to the 2027 numbers, i don't mind bringing him back since its essentially a wash to the salary cap.
Having said that, he's going to be in his age 31 season and has played 14 games including playoffs over the last 3 seasons combined (including the 2 games this season). He's not currently under contract for 2026 so he'd have to want to come back at a potentially lesser role for less money. I'd suspect he'd be the ramon humber role of Milano's rookie season, where Humber was hurt and eventually replaced by Milano.
Buffalo could also stand to make a WLB investment this offseason as dorian williams is a free agent after 2026, and imo has not done enough to justify an extension beyond a year to year agreement. Finding a rookie contract player who can start is going to be far more affordable against the cap moving forward. A lot of dudes just got paid, so they need some more rookie contract contributors at every level of the roster.
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2 hours ago, Coach Tuesday said:
McDaniel shows linebackers all kinds of eye candy to suck them in or delay their drops, then Tua drops it in over their heads as they react late. Williams has been known to take the bait so hopefully his eye discipline has improved….
Tougher to do a lot of that stuff on the road at least, especially with snap counts.
Bottle up the run game. Force them into 3rd and longs. Kill the Quarterback.
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47 minutes ago, BullBuchanan said:
I don't think it's going to be interesting at all. The Bills have drafted two TEs since they signed Knox to his big deal and have brought in other FA competition. It's pretty clear they're excited to be rid of that contract.
There are worse #2 TEs in the league, but Knox's big time drops are absolutely brutal and he's nowhere near worth his contract.Only way knox sticks is a pretty substantial paycut - which he will be getting on the open market anyway. His cap hit for money already paid out is 7.5, and he has a 1.5M roster bonus due early on, so i'd expect it to be a pre-FA cut. Adding another year can allow you to spread bonus money further to lower his hit in 2026, but you only do that if he's lessening the cap hit in 2026 with a void year in 2027.
1 hour ago, boater said:Yeah, Knox is one overpaid Josh-buddy.
He does block quite frequently, and is pretty good at it. He's also been a solid playoff performer.
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21 hours ago, Mister Defense said:
well, yeah, but last year things were not good on the defense, like I said, and though we saw spurts of excellence, there was not a consistent progression in defensive quality last year.
I assume a huge majority of Bills' fans had the same kinds of concerns I did. And many likely the same concerns about Babbich.
But the game outcome was almost exactly what I was hoping for when I posted this. Almost a perfect game defensively. A good sign, even if the Jets have a weak offense this year, again.
I think the draft and free agency acquisitions showed me that they didn't feel like the 2024-2025 team had good enough players to be a top unit.
- Douglas and Elam were awful in the postseason, and douglas was largely pretty poor all season. Replaced by Tre, Hairston, and Strong.
- Hamlin to the bench for Bishop. I don't think you should take someones job just to take it, especially when bishop looked poor in limited time last year.
- Smoot gone - replaced by Hoecht. Miller gone - replaced by Bosa. Spector gone replaced by Thompson. Jefferson and Johnson gone - replaced by Sanders and Walker. Carter injured again - replaced by Ogunjobi. Got another rookie in Jackson who will contribute this year as well.
2 rotational linemen are suspended, another lost for the year - so a position we were worried about who to cut, is shockingly thin to start the year.
Milano with another soft-tissue injury. Get him right for later in the season, the depth is there. Something to think about in the first 2 picks this year might be a WLB.
Hairston coming back healthy will be good, i don't know that i see another season ending injury for tre, but these guys all get banged up and he needs snaps to adjust to NFL WRs. TJ is also banged up.
Safeties are still working it out, but you get better playing on the field together.
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3 minutes ago, The Jokeman said:
but he was there when Tabor (our ST coach) was there.
Oh yea- forgot we got a new ST coach
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3 minutes ago, vanhalen26 said:
We attend nearly all. Might have to miss my first in 3 years this year (Eagles unfortunately). 2.5 hour drive to the game for us which isn’t bad.
Wondering how many people attend some vs all?
I'm usually 3-6. I avoid the home opener, but i try to make the playoff games. I kinda prefer the cold.
I will be going this thursday though - Squish the fish!
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Just never seemed to develop much at the position. Slow to get his head around in man, has some ball skills but those tend to show when he's in zone and has eyes on QB. Minus tackler. Takes penalties. My assumption is his speed made recovering much easier at the college level to get in position, and NFL talent around speed and separation is too good.
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2 minutes ago, BillsFan130 said:
Ya for sure I'm not faulting how they played it in the 2nd half as I totally get being conservative with the score.
My biggest issue was opening the game. Thought they were too conservative once again and just looked off.
The 403 yards and 30 points are a bit skewed mind you. When your defence is giving you 3 and outs all day long and a turnover on the 20 yard line, it's of course going to give the offence a ton of more chance to rack up yards and points.
They scored 20 on their first 4 drives though. and 30 across 7. They had the turnover but other than that field position wasn't amazing. Just long drives. It probably would've been more of a beat down if knox pulls in a couple of those.
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52 minutes ago, chris heff said:
Can’t look off safety with a visor, he won’t do it for the season. He may do it Thursday.
They have clear visors now. Also they are far enough away that they aren't really reading your eye but probably the stripe on the top of your helmet.
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1 hour ago, Ayjent said:
Because its what makes a 7.5 point favorite have a 20pt victory. They know they can unleash the passing game if they need to, they just didn't really need to. Running shortened the game, rested the Bills D and wore down the Jets D. And when people say this team is only Josh Allen on Offense this game says much differently. They could have probably won this game by the same margin with Mitchapalooza.
I think winning the turnover battle and controlling TOP results in more wins vs. passing more.
1 hour ago, BillsFan130 said:Haha I'm not comparing Joe Brady to Ken Dorsey lol.
Joe Brady overall is a pretty good OC and I've never said he's bad.
But he can be extremely frustrating at times, and I think he leaves a lot of meat on the bone with this passing offence.
Against the jets you can get away with it, but it took a superman performance from Josh last week to bail out his conservative play calling against Baltimore.
The bills 20 pt victory had little to do with the offence yesterday, outside of a few incredible James cook runs. It was the defence who was dominant and stole the show
The 403 yards would have been a top 3 average yardage total in the NFL last year. 30 PPG would also be a top 3 average.
The defense played lights out, negative plays, snagged a turnover. Love to see it. But the offense grinded this one to a halt and in the 2nd half the D really didn't have to do much.
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1 hour ago, boyst said:
Fields showed he can't in Chicago and Pittsburgh. He needs to sit on the bench and develop himself a little bit. He was rushed in Chicago and unfairly projected to success in Pittsburgh.
He doesn't see the field well enough to be a starter imo. There's too many throws he can't make with touch and timing. They aren't good whether he starts or not, and its not a long-term deal so i would assume they just play out the season and move on.
PROS - Arm strength, athleticism, read-option to expand your rushing playbook
CONS - Accuracy over the middle is bad, Accuracy while running is a bit scattershot, Sack magnet, and ball security. For an athlete too i don't think he operates that well out of structure.
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While fields is an athlete, and a threat to run in read-option plays, he doesn't have the same throwing ability as LJ. Fields has a good arm, but is a bit more scattershot in his throws, isn't as accurate on the move, and his release is slower. He (like a young josh) struggles to throw people open, and will sail some. His pocket presence has been a weakness as well.
As for hall, he's not derrick henry. Which is a good thing.
1 hour ago, MasterStrategist said:Like us, Steelers had some injury issues up front too.
No Harmon (1st rounder), no Herbig (their #3 DE/OLB), and Cam who finally started to get live reps.
Not saying to take the Jets lightly, but I think there is a combination of many things contributing to Steelers game.
Lets see how our coaching adjusts this week
Same as us - when your teams banged up in camp you tend to have lighter practice loads for guys and lots of guys skip padded days. Week 1 happens and i feel like the game-to-game preparation and practices ramp up a bit.
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48 minutes ago, mannc said:
Jerry Ostroski said that giving Hamilton a free run was not Walker’s fault, but the guy inside him (can’t remember who it was). I’m skeptical…
I mean... You can't not touch the guy on the edge either so It wouldn't shock me if it wasn't walkers fault.
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4 hours ago, DrDawkinstein said:
If you're a local Buffalo resident, you'll pay about $100 total across the next 10 years to absorb the stadium cost. Worth it to have the Bills in such a small market.
But if you want to talk about the lack of dome and not being downtown, let's light that fire!
Football is meant to be played outdoors.
Elam Fairing well in Big D.
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I think the plan was Morse for 2 years though.