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2 hours ago, finn said:
Of all these, I'm most glad Reader is gone, along with Anarumo. Both of them had our number. Without having to face them, I don't see why the Bills wouldn't plan another Pittsburgh job. I mean, the Bengals are giving up 160 ydg rushing, the worst in the league. It's not brain science, especially with the incentive to keep an explosive offense off the field. (Imagine Allen throwing to Chase and Higgins instead of the cast of Gilligan's Island. Now THAT would be an explosive offensive.)
The hard part will be to keep the run game going if Burrows quickly scores TDs on every possession. What a weird game that would be: lightning drive/plodding drive, lightning drive/plodding drive.
BEANE! Couldn't you have found Allen even ONE wide receiver?
I wish we did add more at WR, I'll make that clear. But I think there HAS to be balance to win championships in the NFL. Even looking back at the kelly bills, when another team was able to run the ball it screws everything up. Fewer possessions and more of a sense of urgency because of the lack of possession time. I don't think that means we need to run the ball constantly, I just mean I don't want to build a team around 2 WRs and 1QB if that makes any sense?
To your 2nd point about what if burrow carves buffalo up? The entire offense would need to play amazing to win in that scenario. If Buffalo puts close to 200 on the ground against you, even incompletions or penalties, or sacks can become game killing plays because a running team squeezes the clock. We'll see how it plays out! I think on the road it's difficult to just say we're going to dictate, not to mention very different personnel on both sides - namely hopefully less playing time for dane Jackson and kaiir elam.
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49 minutes ago, wagne591 said:
I for one thought Beane was doing a good job in the beginning of his tenure but not so much as of late. Here is my list of why Beane screwed up and why both he and McD need to go.
1. Both are great coaches/GM but as time goes by so does your window of opportunity. As McD said after the Texans game about this roster, he said that while he “loves these players,” he admitted the team doesn’t have what he considers a “super-Bowl-caliber” roster. That is on Beane and paying all the wrong players. I mean look at the guys he signed this year alone:Bosa DE (was killing it but we all knew he would get hurt eventually and miss some games, which he is at the most crucial part of our schedule)
Palmer WR (signed a three year deal and was the forth/fifth receiver with the chargers so far he has played 8 games and has 18 catches for 272 yards 0 TDs)
Hoecht DE great signing for the game and a half he played was impressed but was suspended the first six games played a little in Carolina and was killing it against KC then got hurt and is out for the season.
Ogunjobi DT suspended first six games now playing but probably our worst DT on the roster.
Honorable mention Curtis Samuels last year 14 games (only started 2) for 31 catches 253 yards 1 TD; 2025 6 games 0 starts 7 catches 81 yards 1 TD. and we gave that guy $24M for 3 years.
2. Signing the guys he drafted instead of signing players that will help.
Here is a list of players Beane Drafted then signed to big contracts:
Josh Allen - Franchise QB drafted 2018 (best move Beane ever did)
James Cook - RB drafted 2022 (great move but almost lost him to free agency because Beane didn't want to pay him)
Khalil Shakir - WR, drafted 2022 (average WR probably paid too much for him 5yr $56M)
Christian Benford - CB, drafted 2022 (probably paid him market value 6yr $69M)
Greg Rousseau - DE, drafted 2021 (overpaid for a 5 sack a year guy who never got better, 4yr $80M)
Terrel Bernard - LB, drafted 2022 (overpaid, 4yr $42M)
IMO only 2 of these contracts make sense (Allen, Cook); I can live with 2 (Shakir, Benford); and two I could have done without and used that money somewhere else (Rousseau, Bernard). Bernard is small and gets washed out of a lot run plays, Shaq Thompson makes our Defense way better for only 1.25 million this year. He is bigger stronger and better against the run which forces team to play into our strengths (pass defense). Maybe Bernard will be better in the Malino role but Bernard is hurt a lot also just like Milano. Rousseau is getting paid an average of 20M a year and Bosa is getting paid 12.6M this year and has already proven to be a way better pass rusher then Greg. Greg is in his fifth year and has played in 74 games and has 28 career sacks (not cutting it). For example, Jaelan Phillips drafted right before Greg played in 59 career games and has 27 career sacks. You don't sign a guy because you like him you sign him because he is a good football player. We need to get back to that.
3. Bringing back dead weight over and over again.
Retreads
Philips, Lawson, White, Davis, Jackson, Poyer, Spector, Broeker (all dead weight if you ask me) when we had guys like Tim Settle (DT Texans now), Puna Ford (DT Seahawks now) both did nothing in Buffalo after signing free agent contracts never got a chance if you ask me and are now killing it with their new organizations.
4. McD hiring from within all the time instead of going outside the organization.
Coach McD always hires from within (Brady and Badich) IMO we were better with Daboll and Frazier on the staff running their respective units. It makes me wonder why Daboll and McD had a rocky relationship, and Frazier was fired. I believe McD was responsible for the whole 13 seconds debacle when he played the analytics instead of going with his gut and kicking it inbounds. I want to believe that Frazier was telling him to kick it in bounds to kill some time and when McD's plan backfired he fired Frazier. When Frazier was running the D the opposing team always seemed to have a good opening drive but then Frazier made adjustments, with Badich running the D the opposing team has a good first half and some of the games get away from us, but after the half when the game is already lost he makes adjustments). For example the Atlanta game right before the half with under 2 minutes the Falcons drove right down the field to get into FG range which was almost a TD, and the Texans game right after the Bills scored to get some momentum the Texans went right down the field and scored a TD right before the half. both unacceptable.
5. What is up with all these injuries, I know it happens around the league but dam.
Our training staff sucks, or our coaches are being over-protective.
6. What happened to the players being the best version of themselves (remember when JA17 first got here and that was one of the things that lured people in). Now it feels like it is not that anymore and it is do what I say and like it and smile. No top end WR free agent is going to want to come here to run block all the time because that is not what they want to do. They want the ball to make plays not to block.
I think a lot of things are missed here but i do like reading things like this that aren't fully rooted in a bias.
1 - I don't disagree. We barely wade into the FA pool here so you tend to want to see some impact before some splash. Injuries are going to happen to players though.
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- Shakir's contract was about the same in AAV as the deal gabe davis and darnell mooney signed in 2024. I think his value there is appropriate and will probably age pretty well.
- Benford's contract was the 8th highest AAV of deals signed just in 2025. I think he's somewhere around 18 or 19th total. To me that reads fair market value, and will probably age well.
- Rousseau is overpaid, but it doesn't mean he's a bad player either. It's also not really an egregious overpay either. You mention bosa as getting more pass rush for the money, but he's also caused a lot of issues defensively with his poor gap integrity against the run.
- Bernard is a captain so there's a little bit of an overpay. There's like 7 off ball linebackers with ~10M AAV, so it's not like he's jumping off the page. He missed camp with a hamstring, re-aggravated an ankle injury, and now he screwed up his elbow on a weird tackle. He's likely here through 2027 unless he's traded. Dre greenlaw got the same 10M coming off a playoff achilles injury
3 - Other than White, all of these are mid-season injury replacements for Carter (DT5), Jackson (DE5), Palmer (WR2), Rapp (FS), Bernard (LB5). The options are either players who have never practiced here, and don't necessarily represent upgrades, or bring in players you've seen play quite a bit. Devil you know (they are old or not good), vs. devil you don't.
4 - Frazier was the DC during that bengals debacle. That alone was pretty much a fireable offense. You promote from within because it empowers young coaches to feel they have the ability to earn promotions. Brady was brought in as an heir-apparent, and stepped in and settled down that hot/cold dorsey offense down the stretch. Babich was interviewing with other teams for their coordinator position, and has a family pedigree of coaching.
5 - I think there's reason to be critical of the strength and conditioning staff, seems like the team has torn pecs/biceps, pulled hamstrings/quads/groins quite frequently. There have been a number of practice injuries this year which is concerning. At the same time, the tackling was so bad to start the year that you HAD to improve the practice intensity. Seemed like that coincided with more soft tissue injuries.
6 - I think there's still and will always be a buffalo effect here. There are a number of players... who do not want to play here. The weather alone to me always will deter a lot of people. Factor in night life and stuff and its not always a place people want to live. As for WRs having to block? Yeah, thats going to be important for any team that plays in the rust belt. It's a mistake to NOT have that be a large part of your identity. You WANT to play football in december and january at home, and that means wind/snow/cold that tends to favor a running football team.
I want to be clear, you are not WRONG in your criticism of Beane. I think there's more than enough reasons to be, but there's nuance and context. "Go out and get a WR" doesn't really work when the available trade options aren't good. Trading for holdouts like Samuel, Mclaurin, or Metcalf were not looking to be smart moves - and none of them really worked out for their team this year. Davante has been solid this year, but with that contract you probably don't get Bosa. Also not really sure he was interested in coming here so its speculative.
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12 hours ago, RichRiderBills said:
Nah, it was for more than that. They gave WRs too much cushion. Plus our DL and OL got dominated and pushed around.
It was so bad our guys looked like we were slipping and wore wrong cleats. Playing on skates.
172 yards on the ground was cincys 2nd highest total of the year. Buffalo also had more penalties and lost in time of possession by about 8 minutes.
Fact is dorsey was gone midway through the next season because he would fall into bad pass heavy habits. Frazier was literally fired for this game plan.
As for their defense bottling up buffalo -
Reader gone
Bates gone
Pratt gone
Wilson gone
Hilton gone
Hubbard gone
Hendrickson out
Hasn't been that long but teams change pretty quickly in the NFL.
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2 hours ago, nosejob said:
Yep 13-4 The Pats lose to us , Balt. and drop a stunner against the Jets or Fins fall to 12-5. Cuz Stone Cold said so.
If they drop 3, buffalo will win the division at 12-5 if their loss were to philly.
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13 minutes ago, billsfan89 said:
I trust McD on secondary issues he’s usually good on that. Is Slay good? Probably not but could he provide a slight upgrade at boundary CB4? Yeah certainly possible.
It's just depth and another option in dime looks. Tougher corner, playoff contact type of guy who tackles. Also just a break glass in case of emergency type of dude since hairstons still working into the lineup, white has had a number of injuries, and ingram isn't good.
Strong felt like the best candidate for that but he's done for the year. Take your pick of jackson, codrington, and couch - and its 3 big fat question marks. Either inexperienced, or the experience was pretty poor.
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15 minutes ago, fergie's ire said:
What I find interesting is KC is often predicted to be the 7 seed. I don't think many would be surprised if they ran the table if they are in. If that happens, unless they win the division, the Bills would host the AFC championship if they make it that far.
It's going to be a tall order to get denver to 6 losses, so i think KC is wildcard bound if they make it.
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1 minute ago, nosejob said:
Everybody needs to switch Bills and Pats. Bills win out, Pats drop 3 including a stunner loss to the fish. Will that get us the 1 seed? IDK. That's the hill I'll be on.
Last season at the Ralph and the road to the SB goes through there. It is destiny. Am I the only Billiever here? Remember being 6-6 at this point once?
The loss to the fish is the unplausable piece. But its a division game and they gave buffalo issues. This is the game that comes to mind when you say anything can happen: https://www.pro-football-reference.com/boxscores/201912290nwe.htm.
Anything relating to denver wouldn't be that shocking imo. They haven't looked that great for a bit, and they have GB, JAX, @KC, and LAC. Would need them to lose 3, unless buffalo were to win out.
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I just played around with a few games but it wasn't particularly hard to create this scenario:
Requires Buffalo to go 4-1 and lose to philly.
NE to go 1-3 and lose to Buffalo, Baltimore, and Miami. Would be an epic collapse, but its december and the dolphins aren't even dead yet. I expect them to be by then, but its a division game and this isn't brady patriots from an aura perspective.
Denver to go 2-3 with losses to KC, GB, and one of chargers and jacksonville. Not particularly unplausable with how they've played recently.
4-way with jacksonville and buffalo still wins division but would not get a bye on tiebreakers. Probably a pipe-dream, but i thought it would be far harder to create a path to #1 in the conference.
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3 hours ago, chris heff said:
That was then, this is now. Bills weakness is run defense, Bengals have no running game. Bills strength is the running game, Bengals have one of worst run defenses in the league. I’ll take it.
See above
This was why i kinda expect buffalo to win.
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2 hours ago, RichRiderBills said:
Didn't seem it in that playoff game though.
They lost the playoff game because they couldn't stop the run.
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44 minutes ago, TheBrownBear said:
Allen obviously made that play, but you can't discount that Coleman is also so open due to a lack of respect for his talent. 29 and 22 barely pay him any mind as he jogs by.
Knox is also wide open. You could make an argument they probably score on a throw to cooks too since its cooks + blocker vs. 1 defender, since 29 and 22 both chased keon. Pretty good example of when the rush and the coverage don't match up.
My GUESS is one of 29/22 has cooks in motion - and the other has keon. They ended up both chasing keon thinking the other takes cooks.
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2 hours ago, SoCal Deek said:
Has anyone looked at some of the remaining schedules? Indy and the Chargers both face a gauntlet going forward. Those two teams are almost certainly going to fall out of the playoff race. Which means BOTH Houston and KC could make it in.
I posted elsewhere but:
LAC - 8-4 - PHI, @KC, @DAL, HOU, @DEN - Absolutely brutal schedule - 10-7? Maybe?
IND - 8-4 - @JAX, @SEA, SF, JAX, @HOU - Another tough slate - Also 10-7.
JAX - 8-4 - IND, NYJ, @DEN, @IND, Tenn - Couple easy home games, 3 tough games - 11-6 best case which would probably take the division
HOU - 7-5 - @KC, ARI, LVR, @LAC, IND - Couple easier games at home, but 3 tough games - 10-7 best case - indy week 18 might be win and in
KC - 6-6 -HOU, LAC, @TEN, DEN, @LVR - Easy road games, and 3 teams they can beat at home - I'd guess 10-7 and if the loss is to denver they're very much in the mix.
BAL - 6-6 - PIT, @CIN, NE, @GB, @PIT - 3 wins would get them to 9-8
PIT - 6-6 - @BAL, MIA, @DET, @CLE, BAL - Could see them splitting and both finishing 9-8, another interesting week 18 scenario.
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The primary competition in WC - not going to get into tiebreakers because i think its too early.
LAC - 8-4 - PHI, @KC, @DAL, HOU, @DEN - Absolutely brutal schedule - 10-7? Maybe?
IND - 8-4 - @JAX, @SEA, SF, JAX, @HOU - Another tough slate - Also 10-7.
JAX - 8-4 - IND, NYJ, @DEN, @IND, Tenn - Couple easy home games, 3 tough games - 11-6 best case which would probably take the division
HOU - 7-5 - @KC, ARI, LVR, @LAC, IND - Couple easier games at home, but 3 tough games - 10-7 best case - indy week 18 might be win and in
KC - 6-6 -HOU, LAC, @TEN, DEN, @LVR - Easy road games, and 3 teams they can beat at home - I'd guess 10-7 and if the loss is to denver they're very much in the mix.
BAL - 6-6 - PIT, @CIN, NE, @GB, @PIT - 3 wins would get them to 9-8
PIT - 6-6 - @BAL, MIA, @DET, @CLE, BAL - Could see them splitting and both finishing 9-8, another interesting week 18 scenario.
Based on this - Buffalo is probably the 5 seed if they go 3-2 the rest of the way. It will depend on who wins the AFC South - but if there's an 11-6 team, the other 2 are probably 10-7. I don't see any of the other 3 going on a 5-0 run to get to 11 wins, and we have tiebreakers over all of them anyway.
So I think the ideal scenario would be BAL losing @CIN, and PIT losing @DET and @BAL. Week 18 game would be for the division as they'd both finish 9-8 and Pittsburgh would take it on divisional record. I would rather play a team we handily beat than a team that trucked us in week 1 - injured lamar is still more dynamic than rodgers.
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14 hours ago, HardyBoy said:
Crazy humid game and super short rest on the road is what happened against the Texans and Dolphins and Falcons...
Dolphins had a few extra days against Buffalo, and Falcons off the bye week.
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8 hours ago, BillsFanForever19 said:
Shavers will be here at least through 2026 (as he's under contract through next year) and will get a jersey every week as a bottom of the depth chart WR for his blocking and Special Teams alone.
He really doesn't provide much as a WR (the Tampa Bay game had more to do with them having a *terrible* Pass D) - but he does what you want out of a 5th WR. Which is play Teams and Block your tail off.
A cheap depth WR who can play special teams. He shouldn't be playing this much, and ideally there are 5 options ahead of him in 2026. I also don't mind bringing in competition from a similar player. At the same time - good blocks should earn you some routes too.
Shavers cap hit next year is 1M, but there's no shortage of similar special teams players who might offer a more rounded player offensively. These types of Hollins guys are always pretty available in the 1-2M AAV range, and I would suggest bringing one in to compete for that back of the roster spot.
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14 hours ago, Ya Digg? said:
Look I get it, in order to get big gains in the run game your wide receivers have to block, but ever since Mac “blocking is the best/only thing I do as a wide receiver” Hollins was on the team, there is such a weird obsession with wide receiver blocking.
I miss the days when we looked forward to our wide receivers, you know, catching the ball
It was Gabe before that. "Why does gabe play more than sanders and brown?" was frequently a point of contention and it was blocking back then.
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If they're going to show 2 high looks, run at them until they change it. We aren't fast enough to attack the boundary through the air, but if they do - there needs to be an element of misdirection like a play action, a screen, a double move, etc. The outside leverage screen isn't working that well these days.
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36 minutes ago, Sweats said:
Every player is available in the draft, my friend, no matter the draft slot/position/pick...........every player is in play.
Our FO chose to make a trade and get Diggs (a proven commodity) and in essence gave up JJ (whom Minny chose as Diggs replacement).
Our FO could have packaged some picks to draft JJ if they thought he would be gone before their pick, but they know that they only hit on later rounds, so giving up that much asset is wasted on them........and i also believe that they don't know how to properly assess the WR position and i think that a pick like JJ would scare them which is why they would rather get scrub WR's as somewhat value instead of doing their homework.
At the time, many mock drafts had both jefferson and aiyuk off the board. So we were getting mocked Higgins and Pittman in the 1st. Both turned out to be good players though so i guess it would have worked out.
I think the challenge here is that only buffalo gets to use hindsight to know what JJ is pre-draft, not the lions or giants who picked busts at 3 or 4.
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11 hours ago, SoonerBillsFan said:
It makes me wonder if they need to look at making a change this offseason. Brown busts his butt, but isnt great at pass blocking
I get Dawkins is popular, does community stuff,but its been broken down how for I guess weeks now, he gives up on blocks early. Several have seemed to wonder if he is just about the popularity vs. Being a great football player anymore. Not good when those questions arise for the guy protecting your QB's blind side.
When you get called for phantom holds all season long you tend to let go at that point to try to not get called.
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5 hours ago, Sierra Foothills said:
3 targets, 2 receptions, 9 yards, 1 TD, 1 drop
How many drops does that make for him this year?
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1 minute ago, BuffaloBillyG said:
Love that Hawes was on the field so much. Wonder if they came in with a snap counts for Hairston. I also find it interesting that Keon was the WR with the least snaps aside from Cooks who has only been here a few days.
I thought we would see Gilliam more. And what was the point of elevating Latu for so few snaps? Ray Davis was super efficient on such a small snap count as well. I think that was the second best game of his career.
Latu was elevated as a 3rd tight end in case someone is injured, and to play special teams. Most 3rd tight ends do some combo of that like Morris did for Buffalo for a couple of years, we just use Hawes more because he's such an impact blocker and kincaids missed so much time this year.
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55 minutes ago, BuffaloRebound said:
Doubt they’d ever trade Jefferson. They’ll sign a Mac Jones type QB in the off-season. Could see them move Addison for a 1st as they probably aren’t interested in paying 2 WR’s $35m+ per year.
Doubt ur getting a 1st for a WR with one cheap year left, who's never hit 1000 yards, and was suspended for a really bad DUI. I'd say best case you're looking at the 3rd for pickens, but probably less. And paying him closer to 20.
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11 hours ago, Buffalo03 said:
JJ McCarthy has shown absolutely nothing. I know it's pretty much his rookie year but the ones who have it at least show glimpses. I don't think he does.
Game reminds me too much of Zach Wilson that its hard to see him being successful.
1 minute ago, Sweats said:.........we could have had him for 4-5 years on a rookie deal, but our FO didn't see the value in him back then, so i really don't think they'll back up the Brinks truck to get him in here now.
To be fair... the trade was not executed during the draft. They traded for diggs before the draft, not knowing who would be available at the pick. So to say they didn't see value in a player they didn't know would be available in their draft slot is a bit of a stretch.
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32 minutes ago, BFLO said:
The flaw is the going on a run part. I think we all agree the Bills can beat anyone on any given day.
But can they actually win 4 in a row? Not with the way they've been playing
What about 4 in a row against playoff teams of escalating difficulty? Laughable
Wildcards can and do catch fire come January. Brady's Bucs were 7-5, losers of 3 of 4, and got blown out 38-3 at home by New Orleans before going on their run. Helped playing a 7-9 division winner with a backup QB in the first round, but that's the kind of thing that happens in the NFL. A Nix/Jones/Maye injury and suddenly the favorites aren't so favorite.
Just going through their playoff run and its so strange...
- Washington - Heinicke in the playoffs - played the best game of his life with no run game and got them pretty close. TB was a 10 point favorite though and Washington kind of sucked
- New Orleans revenge game - 21 points off turnovers, and lived off some short fields.
- Packers - The scotty miller TD comes to mind as the difference in a 5 point game. Ball at midfield with :28 left in the half and somehow they get a 40 yard TD pass with 8 seconds left in the half. Another short field turnover/TD to open the 3rd quarter and it was 28-10. Brady threw 2 picks in the 4th quarter and GB made the strange decision to kick a FG down 8 from the 8 yard line. They never touched the ball again.
- Chiefs SB - Pretty terrible first half by KC but its still 14-6 with 1 minute in the half, and KC gets 50 yards of PI penalties on the drive to go into half down 21-6. Which essentially screwed what was left of their gameplan.
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Game week thread - Bengals at Bills (flexed to 1pm ET)
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DQ was out for the game and the depth couldn't get it done that game. I also don't remember who the corners were but dane Jackson and kaiir elam played a lot in those games which... Explains a lot of the issues with the game plan.