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5 hours ago, ProcessTruster said:
Without Hardman, Samuel and Kincaid (perhaps our best man-beaters or deep ball guys), mesh was the perhaps the only reliable way to get guys who can't seperate (ie the remainder of the WR group) open. Especially against 2 of the best man corners in the league. Not sure Brady had many options. Injuries matter in this league. You can't have half a position group out and expect things to just run as normal.
Bills were in real trouble on offense from the get go in this one.
But if Gabe gets that second foot in , they win anyway. Funny game this is.
The reason you use mesh is it sets open window reads and they're all really rapid. So you know - this guy uncovers first, then this guy, then finally that guy - and this guy over here is the hot.
But if none of them uncover in rhythm (because the opponent knows you're running mesh) - they know once you move off read 1, you don't have time to go back to read 1, so i no longer have to cover him, then you end up with these busted plays where no one is open. There's plenty of ways to beat man coverage beyond mesh or rub routes.
The challenge with the construction of these plays is always going to be proper diagnosis of coverage, identifying when players will uncover, and knowing when you have to get the ball out. Plus route running will help, but it's more of an issue of timing. When you run a timing based offense the ball goes to the same place at the same time. If you're running double moves to shake tight man coverage, that takes more time regardless of how fast you are.
Part of the challenge buffalo is running into on a lot of scramble drills also reflects on the route's they're running. They run too close together so buying time doesn't create space since there will be multiple defenders in the area of bunched receivers.
End of the day - if they're getting home with 4 THAT consistently, you have to change your approach.
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2 minutes ago, JoshAllin said:
I'd prefer the bills come in as a lower seed than be top 2 and then losing. At least theres less pressure for them and maybe they can finally do soemthing
I know its the day after a loss where they looked terrible, but you only need to catch fire in January. Stay the course, make adjustments, and try and find something by then.
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22 minutes ago, Nitro said:
The offense is changed to run clock and lessen the exposure of the defense to multiple drives. The defense has made strives in the last two games in second half adjustments. This team is now seeing an O line that is aging out. The NFL is fluid. The game plan was an indictment on Brady. Why not got with Anderson on the field to assist on pass protection and run blocking? Speed DE? Run the ball at them. Take the starch out of them. As bad as the offense looked last night, they had a chance to win at the very end. The very best defense in the NFL could have been defeated. Time to lick the wounds, build a better game plan and brace for the rest of the season.
I put a lot of this on brady. We just never adjusted to their pass rush, it felt like we were consistently trying to beat them in spread looks with mesh and crossers. Allen's first INT seemed to spook him on the spot routes in the middle, and too much stuff was happening way too far down the field with how quickly pressure was getting there. Houston never had to really adjust and essentially played a man under game with a spy on 3rd downs.
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1 hour ago, HoofHearted said:
The front is just an alignment - not a personnel package. We could run a Bear front out of our base defense if we wanted to. I'm sure we have the ability to. I'm almost certain we done this vs tush push teams. It's not a defense you live out of though. Too many ways to exploit it.
The sideline passes in condensed formations would be an issue. It was typically run by teams that blitz a lot, during an era of football when most teams ran the ball. And like every other defense in the 80s/90s it requires your safeties and linebackers hammer anyone over the middle, which you can't do anymore.
2 hours ago, harmonkillebrew said:Not sure that's true.
Tucker's big run against us was in base nickel. Taron and Bernard ran into each other, Bosa couldn't hold the edge, Benford got consumed by a WR block, and Poyer took a bad angle and got leveled by a pulling G
I more meant it as reading a bear front to be something like a 46 defense - which has a number of players at or near the LOS - which is when you give up large runs (and passes for that matter).
Could you mix it in? Sure - but i don't think you can come out of that on 1st down more than a couple times before teams are passing out of condensed sets to race to the sideline, or attacking your boundary corners in obvious single high looks.
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39 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:
steroid use has a long known association with severe tendon injuries in athletes.
maybe he just shouldn't have taken them if he wanted to out there
This is true of strength training in general when you don't put a good enough focus on flexibility. Steroids tend to allow you to easily overtrain and over work muscle tendons, but it's common in athletes who lift a lot.
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7 minutes ago, harmonkillebrew said:
The cat has been out of the bag for weeks - the Bills can't stop the run.
Yet, we continue to trot out a base nickel. Even when we go 3 LBs, we aren't that effective. Most of that seems to be personnel
But maybe we should mix in more of the Bear Front. I feel like I saw some three DT packages against the Bucs
5 DL would mean 2 LBs, 2 S, and 2 CBs...? Not crazy. Basically sub out Taron for a DT, as opposed to a third LB.
Ideally one of the DEs like Epenesa could drop back and defend a short zone as needed
Going heavy with a single high safety has usually been where buffalo gets gashed for huge runs
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2 hours ago, GASabresIUFan said:
No not a great class so far but the evaluation is years from completion for the Bills.
So far you have one good and improving starter in Bishop. You have one solid depth RB in Davis who may have found a key spot as a kick returner. The Bills also seem to like SVPG and he’s potentially McGovern’s replacement at center as early as next year. Grable, if he can get healthy, also still has a chance to work out.
Also Solomon is playing weekly in a depth role and he’s 4th on the team in ST snaps.
The watch word at the draft was drafting college vets with many like Carter and SVPG having leadership roles on their teams. That now seems more sales pitch to the fans over substance as Carter and Ulofoshio have produced nothing while other college vets like Solomon, Davis and even SVPG are only in depth roles with SVPG as the only potential starter.
The key piece in that draft was supposed to be a top end WR, but then Beane inexplicably drafted the slow Coleman who produced ok as a rookie before an injury but has displayed an attitude problem over both seasons. He’ll likely get another season next year in a prove it role but Beane is likely to correct his mistake at this years draft.
Long-term If SVPG and Grable become key OL in the next few years this draft will look better, but as of right now Bishop is the only long-term piece of the 2024 draft. A rebound in attitude and performance by Coleman would also help. Maybe a move to an inside pass catch TE type role will help him find a NFL niche and help the Bills.
Which is kinda what you want at that pick for Javon - a cheap player who can play special teams and provide some depth. Bishop's finally starting to come around after a lost 2024 season.
Carters been injured (I don't give them a mulligan, but you can't really control that kind of thing), and Davis hasn't really had a path to playing time (he'd have had to really earn it and i haven't seen it). Other late RBs that have performed above draft position are Irving and Tracy, but they also didn't have someone like cook ahead of them either. Comparable usage to a Guerendo, Estime, or Davis (NYJ) from the same draft. Not a "sexy" pick, and not providing a ton of value, but its hard to look through everyone picked after davis and argue they missed. He's a cheap backup running back, which is what you need if you plan to pay a running back.
I don't think the book is written on coleman yet even this season, lot of football left to play.
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9 minutes ago, Paup 1995MVP said:
Get Johnson and Cook involved in the passing game again. And even if Kincaid can't go, which is likely (call him Boy in the Plastic Bubble-you all remember that movie w John Travolta from the 70's) get Knox involved some down the field. If he can get open he usually can make the catch. Need to be creative. Playing cautious and conservative only throwing 5-10 yards downfield will get us nowhere against the Texans.
They were able to go against tendency a lot in the bucs game - but if they can win at the LOS on offense then they will win. Avoid being super predictable and getting behind the sticks, and if they speed rush up field they're going to mix in blitzes and spies to stop allen from buying lots of time. Be decisive, and dictate.
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20 minutes ago, CEN-CAL17 said:
They will blitz and play a lot of cover1 man to man….. Game plan should to have some bunch formations and cause confusion, rub routes and get the ball out quickly. Play action pass and run the ball. Cook has the opportunity to make big play against aggressive type of defenses.
But that won’t be the plan let’s be honest. It will be, “oh it’s man coverage against the blitz” go out there and beat your guy and get separation. Ugh
Well when they KNOW you're passing because you rotate kincaid and shakir in, then it becomes a bit easier to plan against buffalo.
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14 hours ago, DJB said:
It’s both but man to have a guy like Johnson . He gets it
50/50 balls can be key on a number of 3rd and long type situations. I honestly thought that was why we added Keon was to counter the man coverage you see in the playoffs when they don't call holding.
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On the plus side - its a dome, and its not a team that runs the ball particularly well. Buffalo actually stuff's a decent amount of runs, their average is largely high from giving up a ton of explosives. I feel like Houstons passing attack relies on a decent run game which is why it's been so bad at times this year. They don't turn it over much at all, so its a game where buffalo really needs to avoid them.
Defensively their pressure comes from premier edges, and they will probably get a couple. What you can't have is them wrecking your game, so i'd imagine there's a plan to chip a lot but also to use allens legs when they head up field with either a lead blocker or a receiving option. Good tackling team, so i'm not sure the shakir swing routes really going to be the bread and butter either. I think if we go at them like we've approached other games with consistent reaction to their alignment, we will probably fail offensively. Blitz beater wise... i know many will hate to hear it but keon might be useful in this one. I know they like palmer too but they have a solid secondary so you might need to throw a couple up with kincaid out.
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17 minutes ago, hondo in seattle said:
I hardly remember seeing Hairston, yet he played over half the snaps.
Ray Davis only played one offensive snap and didn't get a carry. Seems like his star is falling - as a RB, not as a returner.
No WR played more than 54% of the snaps. Brady's receiver packages are interesting.
14 minutes ago, zow2 said:For Hairston that's probably a good thing. Maybe i missed it but I don't think I heard his name yesterday.
Yeah seems like Ray is the 3rd string RB now. He certainly did a nice job on his 8 special teams plays.
It's not a new thing though really. He's been on the field for 73 total snaps this season, and has 24 carries for 44 yards. 20 of those 24 carries have been in games decided by 15 or more points.
I don't think he's had a very good season on offense when called upon, but lets not act like he was "called upon" 24 times when in reality its just a bunch of garbage time carries for the most part. I'd agree when he has been on the field this season the play hasn't been particularly positive or notable. However, it's a position that requires some rhythm.
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3 hours ago, harmonkillebrew said:
It's basically the same outside rush that teams break for long TDs. Henry, Bijan, Achane and now Tucker. It seems our LBs and SS can't fill that outside hole reliably and the DE/DT that side can't disrupt on that side. CBs can't get off their WR blocks either. Collective fail it seems
It's a number of issues at every level of the defense -
- The edge isn't set by the end properly, or they take the bait and end up too far upfield while also enabling linemen to advance to the 2nd level
- Linebackers struggle to shed, or shoot the wrong gap and take themselves out of the play
- Secondary angles have been poor, and the tackling among this group is probably the worst of each unit
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7 minutes ago, TheBrownBear said:
I'm with you. Clearly, he's on everyone's sh*tlist - coaches, players, fans - at the moment, but an injury or two and we will end up desperately needing something from him. I don't have much faith right now, but I'm going to cross my fingers and hope for the best until we are able to move him in the offseason.
Or for him to show that he has the ability to function as a member of the offense, and not expect to be the focal point of every game.
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End of the day - he pouted, missed a meeting, and hit the bench. He can either continue to pout and make problems with his coaches and teammates, or just show up and try and get back on the field. People are criticizing him for having a good time with his teammates before the game, but i see that as a positive because i think this whole thing could have turned very quickly in the other direction.
I believe he will have a role here by the end of the season and the playoffs, and for that reason i do want him to get focused, get right, and be accountable.
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I voted no, because i think trading players when the value is tanked is kinda dumb. The likelihood of it making you look bad is much higher than the 6-7 pick swap we would get. I doubt the WRs stay healthy all year - Samuel misses time constantly, same with Gabe, and Palmer already had a high ankle sprain - so there's also potential for him to get back in the rotation and make some plays.
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6 minutes ago, Donuts and Doritos said:
Shaq to the Bernard's spot, Bernard to Milano's spot, Dorian to rush in and stop the run. Then you could bench Milano. (Run a 3-4 D like they did in the second half yesterday). When I suggested this to Bills customer service they laughed at me. So doubt it happens.
If they were ever all healthy this might become an issue but there are wrinkles with everyone. Bernard seems slower with an ankle injury he's had all year but i thought he had a nice game against TB, milano has a partial pec tear and seems to be tackling without his arms, Thompsons is a soft tissue hamstring injury that tends to reoccur if you don't rest (and playing a full slate snap count would probably lead to a higher likelihood of that, and Williams is a liability in pass coverage.
I'd expect us to need all 4 come January, so how that splits up during the season isn't really as important imo.
2 minutes ago, DabillsDaBillsDaBills said:Honestly Bernard should be benched as well.
Hopefully he's dealing with an injury that's making him play as poorly as he is.
I thought he had a nice game. 2 tackles for loss, led the team in solo tackles, and had two pass defenses.
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45 minutes ago, BuffaloBillyG said:
The schedule has favored them to an extent, no doubt. However, give them credit for executing and not getting bit by a bad team like we did last week against Miami.
Another thing that has really helped them out is that they have had some crazy good injury luck. Both in having key players of theirs not miss time and getting teams that are missing some valuable contributors.
Refs seem to like them too
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They're far better than i thought they would be record-wise, so i should eat some crow for that. Having a veteran head coach definitely has helped them win more of these close games as the season has worn on - 5-2 in 1 score games. Only the 1 primetime game so far, the 4th place schedule gets them a few advantageous matchups (NYG vs. PHI for buffalo, LVR vs. KC for buffalo, Tenn vs. Hou for buffalo).
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14 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:
lesean mccoy kept making this point on his podcast
we're putting guys out there who wouldn't start on other teams and expecting great results
I wouldn't disagree. You also appointed a guy as a WR1 who isn't there yet, and may never ascend to that level. I'm not an arm-chair GM who likes to talk about woulda coulda shoulda - this is the team you have. You have to figure out how to get him going, benching him isn't going to just all of a sudden fix things - not to mention WHEN (not if, cuz lets be real they have terrible injury luck this year) he's called upon you want him to respond.
Lining up WR1, and WR6 with the WR2 out is certainly "a choice". Palmer gets hurt and somehow we see shavers on more snaps than samuel and moore. The sub-package games that brady plays are challenging to get into a rhythm both as a passer and a receiver. Gimme the best guys, and make decisions based on if someone is tired - not because you prepared like 8 plays with samuel/moore in motion.
You have a couple PS call-ups for gabe, you should get palmer back soon - then it becomes cut shavers once you run out of call-ups for gabe. Figure out the ST snaps after the fact.
5 minutes ago, dorquemada said:Especially on Twitter, the reaction every time we add some room temp body to the PS is getting more sad by the day
I just deleted it, between the "fans" who do nothing but complain and the "experts" who react to like 6 plays without actually watching the game it was just irritating me.
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53 minutes ago, D. L. Hot-Flamethrower said:
I just find it so interesting that in all the fixes I see from different people .......No one has Coleman playing as much, or in some cases, not at all! I can't argue in favor of Keon, but I do believe that this organization will continue to play him- a lot. When Gabe comes back it will be in the Shavers role.
Also depends where palmer is with his injury. Everything worked better with him in there - he's by far the best WR on the roster at beating press coverage and man coverage. Gabe can hopefully provide some flexibility there so he can ease his way back into the lineup.
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8 minutes ago, finn said:
It's easy to mishandle an immature player. McDermott has done what most coaches would do: bench the player to send a message. Only it's not working. I'm not blaming McDermott as much as pointing out that he might have to try something different. Maybe nothing will work and, as you're implying, Coleman has to figure it out himself.
But time is short. He might figure it out, and he might not. Hence my emphasis on McDermott's role. After all, isn't one of the key duties of a head coach to motivate his players? Coleman might be a hard case--the little prick in the back of the classroom--but the problem isn't unsolvable. The stakes are too high to NOT focus on what the coaches can do to salvage Coleman's career--and this season.
I think its likely because plays are never designed to actually go to him. He plays more snaps than kincaid and shakir, yet the entire passing offense has them as the primary reads on like every play. I look at it as a "get into the war" type of thing - you can't find rhythm or confidence when your job is clear outs and blocking. He probably wants to see the ball more - and that doesn't mean we should throw back shoulder throws on the sideline all game - it might be moving him across the formation from time to time. Just my 2 cents.
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6 minutes ago, Big Turk said:
Wondering if they are doing a bit of load management with him and planning to unleash him fully down the stretch and into the playoffs?
Knee injury last year, oblique injury this year both probably factor into it.
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3 minutes ago, Big Turk said:
Damn I wasn't aware the snaps were that close...
Kincaid missed the Atlanta game, and barely played in carolina (14 snaps) since that was just the james cook show. Last week he played only 23 snaps and was outsnapped by knox and hawes, but also by samuel and shavers - and still managed 6 catches and 101 yards. So in the last 4 weeks including the bye he's only played 37 snaps and has 7 catches for 124 yards and a TD.
Thoughts after watching the Colts, Chiefs, Ravens, Patriots, Lions, Eagles, Rams and 49ers
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Wildcards can and do catch fire come January. Brady's Bucs were 7-5, losers of 3 of 4, and got blown out 38-3 at home by New Orleans before going on their run. Helped playing a 7-9 division winner with a backup QB in the first round, but that's the kind of thing that happens in the NFL. A Nix/Jones/Maye injury and suddenly the favorites aren't so favorite.
Just going through their playoff run and its so strange...