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On 5/20/2024 at 9:24 PM, thenorthremembers said:
Watched football for over 30 years now, and I've found the teams with great quarterbacks seem to do just fine. I am not sure the Chiefs had a true #1 wideout last year and they won a championship.
As far as our WR group goes I'd argue that NE, Chargers, Green Bay, Atlanta, NO, and Arizona all have less or similar talent as the Bills. The only spot I worry about being deficient at is QB.
It helps having a winning culture, and a head coach who is among the better defensive coaches in football. Even losing a lot of snaps and leaders on that side of the ball, I'm fairly confident that the defense will still be good.
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47 minutes ago, DapperCam said:
His stepdad says he’s always been like this. I think he’s just mentally ill.Prima donna was listed in all of his scouting reports from what i remember.
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Coaches with super bowl championships -
Reid - Best coach, coaching staff, GM, and QB in the league. It is going to be hard to win a super bowl with Allen.
John Harbaugh - Won in 2013 - 3-6 in playoff games since
McCarthy - Won in 2010 - 6-9 in playoff games since
Payton - Won in 2009 - 5-7 in playoff games since
Pederson - Won in 2017 - 2-3 in playoff games since and missed playoffs in 2/5 seasons
McVay - Won in 2021 - Missed playoffs in 2022 and 0-1 in playoffs since
Tomlin - Won in 2008 - 5-9 in playoffs since, hasn't won a playoff game since 2016-2017
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On 5/18/2024 at 4:02 PM, Paup 1995MVP said:
What great season? They choked big time against Tennessee on Monday night which opened the door for us. And then we slammed the door on the final Sunday night of the season. Tua led the Fish to all of 14 pts against us at home. And threw a nice pick late. And then he was frozen out in KC. He had a good season. But comes up small against good teams.
I think it would be funny if the Fish were like this is our best deal, take it or leave it. Its a team game. Their roster is always too top heavy. And their O line has been pretty bad at times. Beane isn't playing that game anymore. Got rid of Diggs. Made Von take a pay cut. Defense is all on reasonable deals. Only #17 should break the bank. And he will always take a team friendly deal, because he is about winning first and foremost.
He did lead the league in passing yards... 5th in TDs, 3rd in comp% for full season starters, top 5 in sack %, 2nd in NFL in Y/A, NY/A, ANY/A. Their offense was tops in the league in yards and 2nd in points.
The other 2 guys in his class each received 50+ million. Burrow went to a super bowl yes, but he's actually missed more games than Tua, and makes 55M AAV. Herberts AAV is 52.5M on his new deal, he's also never won a playoff game, and the actual team has a losing record in games he's started.
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On 5/17/2024 at 9:09 PM, wppete said:
He was definitely a liability when on the field but the Bills didn’t have many options.I thought lewis and Johnson were more problematic that season.
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All joking aside, he should absolutely hold out. History of concussions, and coming off a great season, on a 1 year deal. Herbert and Burrow got theirs, what gives?
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1 hour ago, wppete said:
Delaney and Lewis have the flex to play nickel corner incase of injuries and also special teams guys Hamlin barely can play safety and definitely not nickel corner.Hamlin has more starts than both combined, and while he didn't do anything impressive, he wasn't the liability people claim him to be. Coming off a near death, and a circus offseason, i didn't expect him to contribute last season. But a year removed? I didn't see much from Lewis to elevate him, and I don't get very excited about a depth player who is on his 6th NFL team.
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6 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:
I think Houston are made of stronger stuff than Jax were though. I know Pederson has won a Superbowl but I'd take Demeco Ryans over him as well. I think it is early for them as Superbowl contenders but they have a 2020 Bills feel to me. I could see them getting to an AFCCG if the playoffs fall right for them and then getting blown out by one of the big experienced teams.
Yeah I think they're a good young team. Just a more competitive division than people are letting on, and there are some warning signs. Point differential is one, the home/away/indoor/outdoor splits, and turnover luck is probably the big one.
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11 hours ago, BigAl2526 said:
I agree, it will be hard for Hamlin to make this team. Delaney has shortcomings, but he's managed to hang around the league and worked his way up from a special teamer to a guy who can start in a pinch. He's even got a little speed with a sub -4.5 40. I think the Bills could stand to upgrade the depth at safety some more (and find another quality starter too) but I think they can probably get by with this group at safety in 2024.
It should be hard for depth players to make the team. It's honestly something i appreciate a lot about beane. He fills out depth, he drafts depth, and lets them fight it out for spots. I personally think Hyde is brought back, and i also think he's still a starter here. I don't hate what they've done at the position in a transition year, i just think Hyde's still better than the players buffalo brought in.With Buffalo drafting a potential neal/nickel depth in hardy - who is also a returner - Cam lewis probably also plugs into that same S depth group.
Bishop
Rapp
Edwards
Delaney
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17 hours ago, DJB said:
Sad to say but if the cardiac arrest had never happened to Hamlin I firmly believe he would have already been cut.
Hes a liability on the field with his play
I don't remember him being THAT bad. He started 13 games for a top 10 defense.
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2 minutes ago, Big Turk said:
Most time QBs in their 2nd season find it isn't as easy as it was in their rookie year when DC's have the entire offseason to prepare and watch a full year's worth of NFL games to pick apart every flaw you have and devise gameplans against them.
They have a strong offensive line that helps. He also had a drop rate lower than Allen has ever had in his career.
He also has some pretty massive home/away, and indoor/outdoor splits. Home and away is pretty normal, but as we've seen with Tua and the dolphins... crowd noise can disrupt a lot of timing on your offense. As for weather conditions - October games @ NE, GB, NYJ should be challenging. Not to mention KC on the road in December.
In 5 games played outdoors regardless of condition:
2-3 record, 60.63% completions for 1109 yards, 3 TDs and 1 INT. Losses were to Baltimore, Carolina, and NYJ. Carolina and NYJ were some pretty pitiful passing lines. Anyway... 4 dollars a pound 🙂
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1 minute ago, Captain Hindsight said:
I've seen Houston as a SB contender and that is laughable IMO. They wayyyyyy overachieved last season and I expect them to struggle this year
Same thing happened to the jaguars last year. I think both offense and defense over achieved for Houston last season.
Lots of good players, but they're very young across the board. Diggs will be a big upgrade over Woods and Noah Brown. Lots to like about what else they did with trades and free agency, and I think they have a solid coach.
At the same time... Jaguars are not far off from them, Indy was right there with a backup QB last year, and Tennessee has had a pretty big roster makeover (Ridley, Pollard, Cushenberry, Boyd, Murray, Awuzie, Sneed).
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Just now, jwhit34 said:
It seems that many have bemoaned the brutal stretches of the Bills' schedule each of the past few years. It is inevitable for division winners based on the way the schedule is put together, particularly now with the addition of the 17th game. Here is the schedule formula for an AFC division winner:
6 games - 2 games each vs. the other teams in your division
4 games - 1 game each vs. one of the other AFC divisions
2 games - 1 game each vs. the other AFC division winners
4 games - 1 game each vs. one of the NFC divisions
1 game - Vs. one of the other NFC division winners
So, each team that wins their division play 5 of the other 7 division winners, and will play two, 2nd place teams (the games against the entire AFC and NFC divisions). That is potentially 7 playoff teams. They will only play 4 games outside of the division games vs. 3rd or 4th place teams.
If you only have 4 games a year vs. non-division opponents that finished in 3rd or 4th place teams, which is just under 1/4 of your games, it is impossible to avoid really difficult stretches of games.
And it is the same for all division winners, not just the Bills:
- Ravens start the season: Chiefs, Raiders, Cowboys, Bills, Bengals.
- Texans starting 11/10: Detroit, Dallas, Tennessee, Jacksonville, MIami, KC, Baltimore
It's just how the schedule works.
It's partly why I'm predicting Houston to miss the playoffs, and why my Jax prediction last year was correct. Houston goes from uncommon opponents of - Jets, Broncos, Cardinals - to KC, Baltimore, Dallas. Jax had KC, Buffalo, SF last year and went 1-2 in those games and missed the playoffs by a single game.
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3 hours ago, MPL said:
Those helmets do not appear to be authentic to the era.
THANK YOU! make it look like leather!
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Thought I'd throw a list together of who I believe will make final roster - not necessarily a depth chart
2 - QB - Allen, Trubisky
4 - RB - Cook, Davis, Johnson, Gilliam
6 - WR - Coleman, Shakir, Samuel, MVS, Hollins, Hamler
3 - TE - Kincaid, Knox, Morris
9 - OL - Dawkins, Edwards, McGovern, Torrence, Brown, VPG, Van Demark, Anderson, Collins
10 - DL - Rousseau, Jones, Oliver, Epenesa, Miller, Carter, Johnson, Smoot, Solomon, Williams
6 - LB - Milano, Bernard, Williams, Spector, Ulofoshio, Jones
6 - CB - Douglas, Benford, Elam, Johnson, Hardy, Lovely (I like his name :))
4 - S - Bishop, Edwards, Rapp, Lewis
3 - Specialists - Bass, Martin, Ferguson
KR/PR - My guess is Hardy or Shakir. Johnson potentially.
I bolded the players I'd say are most likely players to not make the roster. What say you?
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4 minutes ago, Logic said:
Sometimes I feel like when we get to the later rounds, Beane seems to be prioritizing how players can contribute on special teams when he selects them, rather than how they can contribute on offense or defense.
Don't get me wrong, I'm a huge advocate for devoting resources and attention to special teams. I feel that most fans underrate its importance. Exemplary or abysmal special teams play can swing 1-2 games a year. It's important. And your bottom-of-the-roster WRs, LBs, etc, DO need to be able to play special teams to stick.
BUT...I still can't help but wish that, at times, they'd prioritize guys who they think can help on offense and defense first, and then trust their coaches to TEACH them to be good special teams players, the way they trust their coaches to teach raw athletic prospects to be good offensive and defensive players.
Anyway, I bring this up because I feel like it's what resulted in the Bills drafting Justin Shorter over, say, Dontayvion Wicks, Puka Nacua, Trey Palmer, or Demario Douglas -- all of whom were drafted after Shorter. They knew Shorter would be a dynamite special teams player, and that's lovely, but he was never particularly good at actually playing receiver at Flordia, and it sure would be nice right now to have one of the other guys I just listed in the pipeline, instead of a guy who we HOPE can make the team as a gunner.See, i thought shavers was the guy they grabbed for special teams chops, but even so. Last year the depth chart was Diggs, Davis, Shakir, Harty, Sherfield.
This season I'd say Ulofoshio has a shot in LB depth, they brought in morrow but i think that spot will be open competition to replace matakevich. Then Hardy in the 6th, who has potential to replace neal - and also potential to be primary return man. I wouldn't consider either of those to be amazing use of picks, but they have better odds to make the roster than a player who doesn't play special teams, or someone at a position with lots of competition.
10 minutes ago, NeverOutNick said:True enough on the QB play but eye test clearly shows Pearsall as an actual dependable WR who runs the route tree and catches the ball with his hands. Shorter looks like a WR in shorts but doesn’t play like one I’d draft in the NFL.
All I’m hoping for is that it’s truly an open competition with no agendas to keep a guy just because Beane drafted him. Who cares. Just get the 6 best WRs for Josh to depend on game day even if it’s some 26 year old Joe Shmoe who was delivering pizzas a week prior lol
Considering the breadth of players I'd have to say that is how the team is lined up. It's like the same cost to keep anyone outside the top 3-4.-
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10 minutes ago, NeverOutNick said:
I don’t think your statement is true at all about Hamler. If not for the injury last year he would’ve been a hot commodity due to his skill set as a burner and returner. Isabella is a much lesser version of him that has proven he’s not much of a difference maker on game day so I agree he would be fine on the PS. I also don’t think teams will go out of their way to roster Shorter either. This was an amazing WR draft class that shorter might not have even been drafted in. Hopefully Beane and McD truly make this an open competition because the contracts reflect that it should be.
100% agree. He’s the guy with the most potential out of the group
Exactly. Teams that wanted WRs just drafted them in a deep and talented draft class. Why roster a guy who body catches everything and did nothing when his QB was Anthony Richardson
I mean... Richardson wasn't exactly joe montana. Pearsall went in the first 1 year later and had similar numbers to shorter in 2022.
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9 hours ago, Wizard said:
I get the general gist of the FB position. However, I only played HS football on the defensive side and don't understand much about offensive line play, formations or schemes.
I just wonder what he does so well that warrants a roster spot. I understand some teams like to "ground and pound" and a guy that is an excellent blocker, opens running lanes, and a guy that catches a few passes and handles short yardage carries as a power back makes sense for some teams.
Gilliam does not seem to do that or the Bills offense. For those who understand Brady's style as an OC and the type of offense we run, does Gilliam become more valuable or remain an anonymous and somewhat puzzling roster spot?
He lead the team with 365 special teams snaps. Next two were Matakevich (special teams captain) and Neal - who are gone.
I expect buffalo to keep 4 backs, 1 to be inactive (probably johnson unless he is made a primary returner), and Gilliam to be active for special teams. He plays FB which... you probably use fullback formations 5x per game maybe? Probably more when you factor in some of the crappy weather games we've had in recent years. He's also played TE before so you have him there at emergency depth.
3rd string and 4th string players don't play anywhere but special teams, and he's pretty good at it from what I remember. Keeping a 7th WR to be inactive in lieu of a special teams ace doesn't make sense in the scheme of constructing a football roster.
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14 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:
........then the Chiefs quickly march down the field and kick a chip shot field goal to win it.
Again, rest assured that the HC knew the play call coming out of the 2 minute warning. He was willing to lean on a defense that had played terribly all day if the play succeeded..........that's bad coaching.
Only thing that would've given me a semblance of hope was the clock. They were gashing us in the run game (which they can't use much inside 2 minutes even with timeouts), and buffalo had stopped them their last drive.
I just feel like we would've lost the coin toss and thus the game in OT.
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2 hours ago, GunnerBill said:
No but I think he is more likely to be poached that a Hamler or a Isabella who the league has kind of taken its view on. That is my point. Equally it isn't just a WR for WR equation. Tylan Grable might be our 10th OL, but he is more likely to get poached than Hamler or Isabella. If they think none of the candidates for WR6 are waiver risks then they could keep a 5 and keep an extra lineman for example.
I always look at WR specifically and say - all the guys from last year who didn't play are 1 year older and thus forgotten. Hamler and Isabella are like 4 years older and completely forgotten.
There were 30+ new WRs added this year in the draft alone, plus additional UDFA's. When i look at column 2 of this list: https://www.ourlads.com/nfldepthcharts/depthchartpos/wr , I'm having a hard time finding players that would be cut for someone like Shorter. Obviously injuries can change a lot of things.
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35 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:
I think that is exactly the point on Hamler and Isabella. They are not gonna get picked up if they are cut from the 53. So they are easy cuts. If the Bills think Justin Shorter might then he makes the 6 on the roster.
Justin shorter sat a season as a 5th rounder. I don't think teams are lining up to poach him.
I assume they want at least one vet in the bottom 3. I'd have to assume MVS fits that bill. Hollins plays special teams, but so does a player like shavers who also has the advantage of having played here for a season.
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7 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:
I see it that way as well.
But I will say that they guaranteed $1.1M of Mack Hollins contract so I think Shavers and Cephus are starting out well behind him in that competition.
These back of roster guys have such a low salary that the replacement player is actually cheaper, so I don't see the guaranteed money as much of anything. May the best man/men winnnn.
Hollins Cap hit - 2.48M
Shavers Cap hit - 1.1M Hollins + .8 = 1.9M
Cephus Cap hit - 1.1M Hollins + 1.055 = 2.155M
Shorter Cap hit - 1.1M Hollins + .875 = 1.98M
Hamler Cap hit - 1.1M Hollins + 1.055 = 2.155M
Claypool Cap hit - 1.1M Hollins + 1.055 = 2.155M
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18 minutes ago, Logic said:
Thanks for the post. I truly appreciate your perspective and your taking the time to try to instill some optimism in me.
As to the things I bolded:
1.) I don't think ranking WR corps (on paper, which is all anyone can really do at this time of year) is a meaningless exercise. I think there is value in sizing up different areas of a team's roster and weighing them against other team's personnel, to see how your team may stack up against others or what kind of attention your GM is or isn't paying to certain areas of a roster at a given moment. I wonder if your hesitance to participate in this exercise is indicative of the fact that you, like me, would fail to be able to honestly rate them much higher than "bottom third".
2.) As HappyDays pointed out above, pretty much every Super Bowl participant going back multiple years has had a dominant #1 pass catcher. Sure, in the Chiefs' case, it's been the tight end. And yes, the Bills have a young one who looks like he COULD become elite. But he's not there yet, and building the roster around him as if he already is doesn't seem like the soundest strategy to me. Hope is not a plan.
3.) I will admit to adamantly voicing my displeasure with the way Beane has gone about building the WR corps this year. But if my disapproval has been "over the top", then I would argue that those defending the team have at times been just as over the top in their delivery. I think the offense's success this season will depend on a lot of "hoped for" things coming to fruition. We HOPE Shakir breaks out. We HOPE Samuel has a career best season. We HOPE Coleman hits the ground running. We HOPE Kincaid proves to be a Kelce level player. We HOPE Claypool or MVS or Hamler step up. We HOPE Brady proves to be a good OC now that he has the gig full time. IF all of those things come true, then we'll have a good offense. But hoping/expecting that many things to happen seems just as over the top as me fearing that they won't. If I have any anger at all, it's because I have the gnawing feeling that my favorite team is failing to optimally set its franchise QB up for success offensively, and that that failure is starting to become an ongoing pattern.
4.) While no DC "ignores" anyone in the NFL, I only see one guy on the Bills' roster who might command some special attention, and that's Kincaid. None of the Bills' WRs are guys that opposing DCs are circling in red pen or having extra meetings about.
Again, I appreciate your response. I respect your position. I understand and accept that others are more optimistic about this plan working out than I am, and I understand and accept that my pessimism on the matter is a departure from my usual rosy outlook on things. I'm sticking to what my eyes and my gut tell me. I hope -- I really, truly, sincerely hope -- that I'm wrong and you're right. I will happily come back here at the end of the 2024 season if the Bills are a fantastic passing offense and my fears prove unfounded, and tell everyone how wrong wrong wrong I was. You can hold me to that. And I hope that I can hold you to the same if the inverse happens, and the Bills are toothless in the passing game.I think Diggs was part of the plan for 2024. Diggs removed himself from that plan, so... this is likely not the "plan A" that was put together for the offseason.
Trading for a name would've been cool, but its a challenge when Diggs cap hit actually went up when you trade him.
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1 hour ago, SCBills said:
Currently, I see Rousseau as a Tremaine Edmunds type player.. but at a premium position.
Which means he's good enough to get paid and I don't necessarily love that team paying him being us.
I need to see more pass rush ability from him before I sign him long term to a massive contract.
I see no reason why he'd get a massive contract. 0 all-pros, 0 pro bowls, and pedestrian sack numbers. His 5th year option is listed right now for 13.3M, and i don't think he would make more than that AAV on a new contract here or elsewhere. Gross-Matos made 9M AAV, Granderson 13M AAV in 2023, Chase Young 13M. I'd think somewhere in that range would be appropriate.
QOD: What schemes/concepts would you like to see carry over into this season?
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It works in man quite well.
See i liked them and i think it was just a check in the 3x1. If you have numbers to the sideline you can just throw a pass for an easy 5ish yards and stay on schedule. Break a tackle and its a first down.
Diggs was actually quite terrible at them. Between drops, hesitation, and being one of the weaker blockers, he didn't offer much on in the bunch.