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3 minutes ago, mrags said:
Yeah I’ve never been in them but from images and videos that I’ve seen it’s looks like a super sterile environment. I went from 14 rows up in the end zones to the clubs and I feel like that about the clubs. I can’t imagine being inside the M&T club. Other than experiencing it once or twice, I’d probably rather sit on my couch.
I mean - free ticket to the home opener? Giddy-up!!
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11 minutes ago, mrags said:
Right. All of those businesses that had suites and are now cut out of the suites because they have half as many.
Im just pointing out that people are getting all bent out of shape at the numbers because of how high they are. The current regular club seat member are not the audience that the Bills are currently targeting. Now those people do have a gripe about losing some prime seating. But at the end of the day they will have their opportunity to buy tickets and they will likely be great seats.
I felt like the M&T club was very business like as well. I also hated that you couldn't open a window in there. It was a very sterile environment to watch a football game. Like... i was a little tipsy so at the time - a couple slices of ribeye was amazing. But then the game started and we blew out Tennessee and it was just... not totally right in there. Too many people didn't care about what was going on.
My company did an event for bills-KC in KC - and they combined the ticketing process with a sponsored tailgate event. Get the business crap out of the way and then go into the game.
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14 minutes ago, DasNootz said:
I think most fans were fine with what we had - and would rather not have a new stadium (at ours and taxpayer expense).
Eh - while there wasn't really a bad seat in the building...
- The bathroom situation was terrible in many sections.
- Concessions were slow and obnoxiously inefficient.
- There were too many seats for a market the size of buffalo. Also - it was like 90% metal bleachers.
- It's really hard to navigate to certain seats. Have to find the right stairwells to get places.
- Club entrances were all over the place and confusing
- Good luck if you're even remotely disabled or handicapped
- The space around the stadium isn't properly used, its just a big loop of pavement. They host the wing fest event there (and likely are looking to add others in the future), and its just not built for that type of event. A larger actual... event space outside the stadium can make attending these types of events easier logistically.
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29 minutes ago, mrags said:
I just saw this on the Facebook group about the stadium and PSLs. Take it with a grain of salt I guess because I don’t necessarily believe anything that’s not confirmed. But I just saw it
“This is solid information: The NEW club level seating; FOUNDERS CLUB - heated and covered seats, $50K PSL, $6k per ticket - includes food and beverages. EAST CLUB - heated and covered, $20K PSL, $5200 per ticket, no food or drink. FIELD CLUB: not covered or heated, $15K PSL , $4300 per ticket, food - yes, no drinks”
So founders club is likely businesses. The other two will get scooped up by other businesses, wealthier fans, and ticket brokers.
The main points around club seats and PSLs though? That revenue is NOT shared with the opponent. PSL money goes straight to the bottom line, and every club seat has a ticket fee (that is shared) and a club fee (that is not). We were lagging behind probably every other team in the league in ticket revenue.
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4 minutes ago, mrags said:
The other thing to think about is, and I don’t know because I’ve never been in them. But the 2 tunnel end, corner clubs indoors. The M&T club and I can’t remember the other one. Those clubs are more expensive than any of the sideline clubs I think being indoors. I thought I also heard that food was included with those seats. Doesn’t look like a seat tile that in the new stadium is going to be available, completely indoors. Not sure how many seats are in those clubs but that’s another target audience for a fully covered and fully heated seat that is more expensive than the current clubs between the 40 and end zones.
In the secondary market? Absolutely. You will be paying that much or more I’d imagine. At least the first few years.
Friend brought me to the M&T club as a "client" for the ad agency he worked at. Food/booze is included and served the entire game - and it was fancy. Carved Ribeye steak. Risotto. Shrimp. Stone crab claws. Open bar with top shelf cocktails. A sundae bar etc.
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17 minutes ago, Sweats said:
The guy has barely seen the field in 2 years........i'd say 8mil is a little much
Injuries suck, and there is a fair amount of risk associated with the player - but 2x All-pro players under 30 are usually worth taking a shot at. The rams were basically starting late round rookies across the board last season though, so they're looking to add talent.
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3 hours ago, BillsFanForever19 said:
I'd say the Offensive Line he was running behind and the QB and Passing Game, or lack there of, he had to open up the Run game didn't help things.
You can point to averages. But considering a.) what's out there and b.) what he was able to put up statistically elsewhere last year as an RB2 - I think he's maybe the top option available.
He had one game last season where he was the starter and he basically carried them to victory - https://heavy.com/sports/new-england-patriots/ezekiel-elliott-nfl-cowboys/
My only concern is that he had like... 1 play greater than 20 yards all season.
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15 minutes ago, 34-78-83 said:
So this supposed range is just for the really good seats?
Nobody still has any idea what the 300 section equivalent (outside the 25 yard line) will be then?
I am hopeful, but worried. I Certainly won't be paying 10k, especially per seat. Yipes.
I think this was basically all the.. club... platinum. Whatever they want to call them. Close seats and club seats.
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I think we all knew PSL's were going to be a part of this. They're giving you the right to buy your seat, if you don't want it, they'll give other people the right to buy it. Other STH's and waitlist people are given a chance to upgrade for a cost - and PSL money doesn't get touched by the league or that 38% that the opponent gets. You're still given the first right of purchasing it.
If we didn't get PSLs? They would likely struggle with the P&L and their loan payments for the stadium. Probably head back in the direction of a cash to cap type team or they'd likely be operating in the red for a few years. Then you task people with saving you money, so you pay less for... training staff, coaches, scouts, literally anything that isn't touched by a cap. Yes TP could probably offset it by cashing out - but that isn't really how the NFL works.
As for financing? Inflation has been pretty bad in recent years so... interest rates are high. Easy example - If you borrow 100 dollars today and pay me 110 dollars in 10 years. In 10 years 110 dollars will be worth considerably less in tangible value than the initial 100 i loaned you. That (plus the obvious - im supposed to make money by lending money) indicates you need a considerably higher interest rate.
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29 minutes ago, TheyCallMeAndy said:
He wouldn’t be able to return until after June 1st, I assume.
I imagine they’d give him a 1 year prove it deal
I think the only offers he's getting are 1 year prove it deals.
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1 hour ago, finn said:
Was Davis really a downfield threat? It's always seemed to me he was just a guy out there, with average WR speed, average hands, and little ability to get separation. His success, one could say, was entirely due to a future HOF QB throwing to him.
I'm willing to learn that I've been wrong about him, though. What did you see or know that I didn't describe here?
He was top-10 in yards per reception in all 4 years here which is usually a sign that he was used in a downfield role. I'd say his ability to work the downfield sidelines is a very good trait. He never developed into a jump ball contested catch guy, but his sideline backshoulder moves were good. 33 TDs in 4 seasons is nothing to sniff at, and he wasn't a major red zone threat in that time frame.
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This is just going to lead to more gator rolling.
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I'm for it - i'd rather have 3 picks in the first 3 rounds, and 2 in the 4th.
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30 minutes ago, colin said:
i remember ngata so clearly, altho there was a 3 tech from florida state or something who i thought would be a better "scheme fit". ngata of course, was a powerhouse for like 12 years in the nfl, and even on the baltimore d was a standout for his intensity and strength.
Donte whitner was a slightly above replacement ss for a solid nfl career, and based on how rook contracts worked back then, we paid him for his first 4 or 5 years like he was a multiple pro bowler. we had the absolute worst FO for a while there.
I think i was more shocked that they didnt look at cutler. He just looked like a better prospect than Losman.
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20 hours ago, aristocrat said:
very large human being. i am liking the look of our interior d line. praying that von has a great off season and gets back to form.
I think with the contract, and just... his performance last year and coming off the rehab etc. I just think he doesn't want it to end that way?
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On 3/23/2024 at 3:11 PM, Awwufelloff said:
That was mcduffie, who we should have drafted.
Can't really draft players that are drafted before you pick though...
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17 hours ago, Warriorspikes51 said:
Ehh The OL played well except for Jones pushing Dion. Milano or Bernard on the field could have changed the game IMO
Their run game was absolutely gashing us. Part of why i thought the TD to shakir would have been the difference. I didn't see them having as much offensive success without being able to keep us honest there.
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I'll say this - we lost to the Chiefs in the playoffs last season because they beat us at the LOS on both sides of the ball.
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I'll admit i've never heard of him. Back of the roster dude it seems like.
The pass rush is going to really depend on if Von has literally anything left in the tank at this point.
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4 minutes ago, Mango said:
So did I. After his restructure he just becomes too expensive to keep all the way through his contract. But going through the numbers it is more advantageous to move on as a post June move this year than it is a new league year next year. New league year for 2025 only saves $5M. It only jacks back up to $18M if we go post June 1 again.
https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/buffalo-bills/stefon-diggs-16872/
I think there might be an error on spotrac since they did their last round of adjustments. They have Diggs as a post June cut saving $500k and trade $19M. It has been consistently $19M for a year.
https://web.archive.org/web/20211224005328/https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/buffalo-bills/stefon-diggs-16872/stats-valuation/Oh i meant after 2025 season so the 2026 offseason.
These are always estimates just because of all the different bonus structures and whatnot.
To move him in 2024 -
4.3M signing bonus prorated over 3 years - 12.9M
3.2M option bonus prorated over 4 years - 12.8M
1.35M Restructure bonus prorated over 4 years - 5.4M
18.5M Base Salary (This piece would be traded) - 18.5M
So i see it as 31.1M dead cap total if traded vs. a 27.8M cap hit if kept. If traded as a Post June 1st - you can move it across 2 years. Spotrac has it as 8.8M dead in 2024 and 22.2M dead in 2025 so 19M in savings. I'm just not sure how that would actually help our team.
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Just now, Mango said:
Looking ahead we started this offseason predicting the teams 2025 cap situation would be around $25M under. As of this AM on Spotrac our 2025 cap number is already $10M OVER.
Moving on from Von next year helps. They can restructure Allen again. Plus some roll over will make up for that.But I cannot help but think the regime is tempted to move on from Diggs as a post June 1 cut/trade to free up $19M with the possibility of rolling all or most of it over into 2025. Then they get another $5M in relief the following year.
If they feel they can get some rookie production in camp from their first pick, Kalil can flash on the outside to fill Davis' role, and Samuel in the slot it may give them the cajones to roll into the offseason with that group.
I always looked at Diggs deal as most likely a cut/paycut in 2025.
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15 minutes ago, SoonerBillsFan said:
Or...move Johnson to Safety and draft a nickle corner. God forbid common sense be used here.
This is what several of us hopped McDermott had fixed within himself this offseason. Odds are We are going to spend money we don't have to for a veteran safety. Move Johnson and or draft one between rounds 4-6.
I don't think we're there yet - but i do think it could be a plan down the line in a year or two for johnson to move into that type or role. With Neal out, i do think its something they draft in that 4-5 round range in this years draft though.
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I think Shakir will end up on the boundary some. I know brady likes to utilize bunch formations quite a bit. I hope he looks into ways to use motion to both block and identify and create mismatches.
Things I'd like to see -
Kincaid on the LOS in those bunch formations - Diggs iso on the other side
Kincaid off the LOS in motion - Wham blocks in the run game.Shakir as a boundary player.
Samuel in the backfield. Move the dude around some.
Cook as a WR in a spread formation with diggs also in the slot.
Attacking the middle of the field in cover 2 with 2 TE sets.
Running from under center to add some improved play action elements to the offense.
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I voted trade down, no 3rd round picks and you can probably still get a great player if you get the right one in the 2nd. I don't think more than 2-3 go off the board in that window. It does depend on how far down though, and whether there are a few players they have similar grades on.
PSL Pricing/Seat Selection Discussion
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There's a difference in price from a toyota to say a lexus or mercedes though. I think this would fall into that latter category.