DefenseWins
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I guess that depending on your point of view, one could also make a case for a certain #1 overall from USC, a convicted felon, who some say murdered his wife, as being the worst draft choice ever... I don't care about his accomplishments on the field, nor does it matter that he wasn't convicted criminally either (although he was found legally responsible for her death and that of Mr Goldman in civil court). He wouldn't be the first murderer not to be convicted criminally. I know the OP was asking the question more so in regards to production (or lack thereof) on the gridiron but if one sincerely believes that he "got away with murder" it's kinda hard to overlook....
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Does not make sense to me. Too much money tied up with Clay and too many other needs. Whaley supposedly was going to take Ebron is he did not trade up to get Watkins. That would have been a mistake.
Trading up to get Watkins WAS THE MISTAKE....
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and at the end of this season it will be 18 years of no playoffs... All u TT fanboys out there - hope you enjoy another year of futility...
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It's interesting how some people forget that alot of players don't shine immediately upon entering the NFL... I remember WR Eric Moulds sucked his first 2 seasons with the Bills before blossoming in his 3rd season... Yet some people seem to feel that drafting a so-called stud WR is some kind of " instant sure thing"... How did Sammy Watkins pan out? The guy sure hasn't lived up to the billing he received (or the two #1's we invested in him)... And now people want to make that same kind of mistake all over again instead of at least trying to find a future franchise QB...
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If you EVER want to have an elite QB in the future you have to make the INVESTMENT...
One thing I am sure of is TT is no answer... The Bills are NOT gonna make the playoffs this year... Let's use this draft to hopefully find that Elite QB for the future... Then after Brady retires the Bills will stand a chance....
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I’m shocked at how many Bills fans are advocating taking a positional player over QB at #10. It’s as if the Bills franchise were a house with a cracked foundation, and fans are fine with putting in a brand new tricked out kitchen.Are fans feeling really good with a bottom 20 QB like Taylor? If not, exactly where is the future Bills franchise QB coming from if not the draft? Do you not realize that YOU ARE NOTHING without a QB in the NFL?In another thread I laid out how many teams with aging QBs will be jumping into the “drafting a QB” game both this year and next year. Bills fans should be frightened by the prospect of the Bills not taking a QB at #10. The QB landscape is going to get very ugly, very quickly in this league with about 12 teams looking for franchise QBs. It’s already started this year by how many of the aging QB teams are actively looking over this year’s QB prospects.Forget the "big board" rankings, draft a QB.
Totally agree with this... You have to take a chance or you will NEVER get a franchise QB... There will always be another supposedly "sure thing" positional player that you would like to have (Alot of them bust too!)... QB is THE MOST IMPORTANT position on the team by far... Most QB's are not ready to play their 1st year in the NFL... Troy Aikman absolutely sucked in his rookie year just to name one who turned out OK in the long run... Nothing sacrificed - nothing gained...
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Why worry/bother about WR2 when we have a TE with a 9Mill cap hit on the roster that TT seldom seems to throw to?
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Except we didn't dominate for 17 years....
Kelly was really good but Brady may be the best QB of all time... Our bad luck... And for 30 other NFL teams too...
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Whaley's biggest mistake was the idiot tradeup to select Watkins in my view. But if you remember in 2012 after the Bills selected Gilmore in rd 1 and Glenn in rd 2 Buddy Nix wasted the Bills rd 3 pick on TJ Graham leaving QB's like Russell Wilson, Nick Foles and Kirk Cousins on the board among other possible picks... How might that have changed the course of Bills history?
Buddy drafted EJ in 2013 after trading down with then St Louis which drafted T. Austin as you might recall...
And to be fair to Whaley I do not believe that HE hired Rex... More likely Peg's made that call - and understandibly so... Peg's was a new owner and wanted obviously to make a splash right? I mean who was Whaley to disagree with the new owner?
Also to be fair to Whaley he has brought in a number of lesser player acquisitions that have been positive (Lorax being one)...
But let's remember that the NFL is a pass driven league and the importance of having a top notch QB cannot be understated... That is why I am in favor of drafting a 1st rd QB this year... It would be great to trade down a bit if you could pick up another high draft pick (2nd or 3rd rd) and still get one of the top 4 Qb's most talked about.... I have no favorite per se and leave the talent evaluations to Whaley and the FO to determine... The Bills need help at WR, CB and RT too just to name a few... But if you keep ignoring the obvious need at the most critical position on the roster nothing is ever gonna change...
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The Patriots are reminding me of those NBA super teams that completely destroy the competitiveness of the regular season (can we just skip to the Cavs/Warriors finals now?). I wonder if Seattle or some other NFC team will load up and turn the NFL into a two team league like the NBA.
You could have said the same thing about the Bills when they went to 4 straight SuperBowls...
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They are called the Nattering Nabobs of Negativity. They work hard for that distinction, please do not remove that honor from them
I'd be a little bit careful with that "Nattering Nabobs of Negativity" crap... The last man known to have used it (Atty General - John Mitchell) ended up going to prison after being convicted of Conspiracy, Perjury and Obstruction of Justice...
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There is a F**kin huge difference between NOT being convicted and being INNOCENT and he sure as hell isn't INNOCENT.
It is an unfortunate truth that guilty people have and continue to walk around free while their victims remain dead...
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I love Pegs, I really do, But what a joke the Bills and the Sabres have become since he bought them
You mean they weren't jokes before he bought them??
Bills haven't made the playoffs in 17 years and you are blaming Pegs for that??
And when was the last time the Sabres were serious contenders??? How many years ago was that???
Pegs made a bad hire in Rex... Jury is still out on Tim Murray and really hasn't begun on McDermott yet... Whaley is still to be determined as well - though I have not been very impressed by what I've seen so far... The trade to get Watkins was a mistake IMHO...
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QBR is nonsense. How do they make it? We have no real idea. It's opaque and gives more weird results than other stats and we don't know why.. At this point, the only people who use QBR are ESPN, because it's their stat, and people who find that other stats don't back them up in whatever argument but QBR does.
Tyrod isn't a top ten guy. He simply ... is not.
And yeah, the cap hit in 2017 is OK. But looking only at the cap hit for 2017 is like putting something on your credit card and saying, "See, it's a good deal, because the December payment is very reasonable."
When looking at a contract's impact, you don't look at one year. You look at all the money that will have to be paid on the salary cap for every year money will have to be paid. If Tyrod stays one year, that will be $30.75 million. For one year of Tyrod. Which pretty much means we'd keep him for two years. So if he stays for two years - the likeliest amount for a bridge QB in this situation - the Bills will pay him $40.5 mill, total, for two years on the roster.
That's franchise QB money.
Bridge QBs are rare too. But that doesn't mean you pay them like you pay the ten or twelve franchise QBs. And with Tyrod's contract, that's what would happen. We'd be paying a bridge QB franchise QB money, $20.25 mill a year.
I hate to say this again and again but people just don't seem to hear it, so ... here are the only QBs who receive more than $20.25 mill per year average salary, in order:
Andrew Luck
Carson Palmer
Drew Brees
Kirk Cousins
Joe Flacco
Aaron Rodgers
Russell Wilson
Ben Roethlisberger
Eli Manning
Philip Rivers
Cam Newton
Matt Ryan, and
Tom Brady.
There are no Tyrods in that group, and yet, that's the group we'd be putting Tyrod in. If he stayed for two years, he'd receive $20.25 million per year, and only five QBs would be with a million per year of that figure: Brady, Ryan, Newton, Rivers, and Eli Manning. Tyrod simply doesn't belong there.
Another way to look at that list is which QB would you rather NOT have than TT??
And if you add guys like:
Andy Dalton
Derek Carr
Dak Prescott
Carson Wentz
Matthew Stafford
Jameis Winston
Sam Bradford
Which one of those do you NOT choose over TT??
IF you decide that TT is not and likely never will become a Franchise QB than it is a sin to waste $15 million per year on him... That is money that could be spent much more wisely to help the team...
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Cmon folks... It's one thing to say that a new coach will "have input" into who his QB will be. In the end though the GM makes the final call on who will be on the roster. I am no fan of Whaley. I think he made a terrible decision trading for and drafting Watkins. But this is the way it has to be. That is the job of the GM - to make and be held responsible for the future of the team. I think that Whaley deferred to Rex when he brought in TT. I think Rex was the driving force that brought TT to the Bills in the first place. My guess is that like many of us fans, Rex knew from the start that EJ was not going to cut it and wanted a QB who he thought he had the best chance to win with. Now that Rex is gone, Whaley is probably convinced after seeing TT's play that he is NOT the answer and it is time to move on. Once you determine that, it would be foolish to pay TT $15 million per year when you can draft a youngster who can hopefully grow into the kind of QB this team needs and at a much cheaper salary. In the meantime you pick up a cheaper "bridge QB" to hold the seat warm for the youngster. Most, if not all QB's being drafted these days, are not ready to start on day one. That doesn't mean that you shouldn't draft one just because it will take time to develop him...
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Money IS the issue here with keeping TT! You don't pay a "bridge QB" $15 million per season... Once you determine that TT is not "the guy" you need to move on... Draft one of the top 4 QB's mentioned in the draft, whichever one you think stands the best chance of success... bring in a cheap vet to hold the seat warm while the rookie adjusts to the NFL game... or if Whaley thinks AJ McCarron might be the answer trade for him... This presumes that the Bills front office knows a good young QB when they see one (I have my doubts about that part but hey...)
The money you save can go to rebuilding other parts of this team...
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I loved Lorenzo's season, but I would not throw any money at him. He is going to be overpaid somewhere I think
Agreed... He had a wonderful season and was well worth the price we paid... but cmon, the smart move is to let him walk... same with Gilmore... and I believe the same holds true for TT...
I'd draft a QB at #10 and a CB in rd 2...
Or maybe acquire McCarron from Cinci for the Bills 2nd - That's assuming Whaley thinks he can play... I'm not necessarily advocating this move, but hey it's another possibility right?
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I know your trying to make a point....I am just not sure what it is.
Just draft the best F***kin QB you can find in round 1.... Is that a little clearer for you?
The quality of the player chosen at pick #10 (whether QB or any other position for that matter) is bound to be significantly better than the one you could choose in round 2
I want the best QB the Bills can get (assuming they can identify one when they see one)
Wouldn't Dak Prescott have been a good 1st or 2nd round pick last year for ANYTEAM???
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if im taking a qb at 10....i dont want to fix accuracy issues coming out of college
if they decide to take a qb at 10 then so be it but just know your probably passing by a elite player at another position for a player that will probably not be ready in year 1
WR - we need a player that can be leaned on heavily in the worst kind of way here.....yes....we have Watkins who just went though a very injury plagued season.....Woods is not returning the HCs calls and past those 2 we have NOTHING that can consistantly be counted on to catch 10 balls a game.
S - Our safety position is in shambles.....Willaims might come back but what does it say about that position that our best player cant make it through a full season
BOTH of those positions might have a elite player there for us to select at 10
If we are gonna have to take a qb that is gonna need to be developed I would rather do it in round 2
You mean like the supposedly ELITE player the Bills drafted in the 1st rd last year (Shaq Lawson) instead of say Dak Prescott??
Or perhaps the other supposedly ELITE player the Bills drafted in the 2nd rd last year (Reggie Ragland) instead of say Dak Prescott??
The point is there are NO guaranteed ELITE players at any position in the draft regardless of the round they were chosen...
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Then you should change login to OnlyQBmatters.
Do you honestly believe that if the Bills still had SuperMario of a few years ago or if Shaq had been healthy and had a standout rookie season last year that the Bills would have made the playoffs? C'mon be serious...
If the Bills had drafted Derek Carr at their original draft spot in 2014 instead of trading up for Watkins, would they have been more likely to have made the playoffs last year?
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Sorry, but you are what your record says you are... You don't miss the playoffs 17 years straight without a good reason (ie..Lack of a good QB)... That's not gonna change as long as TT is the QB...
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Realistically there is no reason for the Bills to announce this unless they were not going to pick up the option on TT's contract... The $ they save can be used to help rebuild other areas on the team...
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I wouldn't mind taking a shot with this kid... Get him a WR early in the draft... Could be a plan... Haven't heard much talk about what the Bengals would want for him though... a 2nd or a 3rd?
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See what it'll cost to pry McCarron out of Cincinnati.
Could be an option...
Let Taylor walk... Let someone else waste money on him... use the savings to upgrade the OL...
looks like cb or saftey for rd1 10
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Get your QB of the future in Rd 1... If you can trade down abit and still get the guy you want fine... Get your CB/WR in rds 2 and or 3... If you can trade down and pick up an extra 2nd or high 3rd that gives you even more flexibility... Until TT can show that he is even capable of integrating Clay (our 7mill/yr TE) into the offense it's just plain silly to talk about drafting yet another TE...