Jauronimo
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An "ass whoopin" may be a reasonable response to someone following, antagonizing, making statements, hollering after, or whichever the case may be. I said clearly that I didn't know what happened in the intervening time between George getting off the phone and the altercation happening. But since Trayvon didn't bother George, and George approached, followed, chased, Trayvon, then it's not a stretch of the imagination to believe that there was something about Zimmerman's activities that led to the struggle. Because by Zimmerman's own admission, when he was in his vehicle, Trayvon was either standing aloofly or blithely walking through the community.
That was the status quo ante before Zimmerman decided to intercede - blithely walking through the community or standing/staring aloofly.
Fighting on the playground is not different. It's two dudes throwing them thangs. And you missed the point - no reasonable person should think that a (comparatively) smaller and spindly boy (and he looks, even in his recent pics, like a boy), fighting ONLY with his fists, is going to pose threat to a larger man's life and limb SUCH THAT THE LARGER MAN CAN ONLY USE DEADLY FORCE TO REPEL THE THREAT OF FISTS FLYING AT HIS FACE.
Zimmerman, at the time of arrest was about 190 lbs. Trayvon, from best that I can determine, was about 150lbs. That is a 40 pound weight difference (give or take 5 lbs.).
You can romanticize your "black people must be life sucking aggressors" theme all you want. It doesn't alter the reality of fact.
What is "hood ethics"? Is that something that we black people understand instinctively OR since we all grow up in the "hood" does it just stick to our tabula rasa at some point between when our mother's are smoking crack and scamming welfare checks and when our dad's are pimping "hoes," stealing cable, and having illegitimate children?
Get back to me on that one.
And yes, the bolded point was speculation - as evidenced by the use of the word "probably."
No I didn't. I just cut and pasted really quickly the definition. But since it fits within you and DC Tom's overall narrative of "have to be rightism," then we'll go with it.
But you do realize that your definition makes my point, right?
Or how about this one:
Chase
1
a : to follow rapidly : pursue
b : hunt
c : to follow regularly or persistently with the intention of attracting or alluring
2
obsolete : harass
3
: to seek out —often used with down <detectives chasing down clues>
4
: to cause to depart or flee : drive <chase the dog out of the garden>
5
: to cause the removal of (a baseball pitcher) by a batting rally
6
: to swing at (a baseball pitched out of the strike zone
Cute. Play the race card.
You described a scene taking place on a basketball court whereby the ass whoopin administered culminates with laughter and the ceremonial title of "biatch" bestowed upon the loser and concluded that this is how the confrontation between Zimmerman and Trayvon, which took place in the hood, likely would have ended had Zimmerman not exercised deadly force. Sounds like a hood ethic or code to me, and one which I was previously unaware of. Is that not what you're trying to communicate by alternating between your insufferable lawyer speak and urban vernacular?
Fighting on the playground is very different than getting jumped on the street for reasons I already provided. And how would Zimm know Trayvon weighed only a 150lbs? He was wearing a hoodie. Thought that made the news.
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By his own admission, yes he did.
Chase
verb (used without object)
5.
to follow in pursuit: to chase after someone.
6.
to rush or hasten: We spent the weekend chasing around from one store to another.
Dispatcher: He's running? Which way is he running?
Zimmerman: Down towards the other entrance to the neighborhood.
Dispatcher: Which entrance is that that he's heading towards?
Zimmerman: The back entrance...!@#$ing [disputed/unintelligible]
Dispatcher: Are you following him?
Zimmerman: Yeah.
Dispatcher: Okay, we don't need you to do that.
Zimmerman: Okay.
Dispatcher: All right, sir, what is your name?
Zimmerman: George...He ran.
Dispatcher: All right, George, what's your last name?
Zimmerman: Zimmerman.
Dispatcher: And George, what's the phone number you're calling from?
Zimmerman: [redacted]
Dispatcher: All right, George, we do have them on the way. Do you want to meet with the officer when they get out there?
Zimmerman:: Yeah.
Dispatcher: Alright, where you going to meet with them at?
Zimmerman: If they come in through the gate, tell them to go straight past the club house, and uh, straight past the club house and make a left, and then they go past the mailboxes, that's my truck...[unintelligible]
Dispatcher: What address are you parked in front of?
Zimmerman: I don't know. It's a cut through so I don't know the address.
Dispatcher: Okay. Do you live in the area?
Zimmerman: Yeah, I...[unintelligible]
I'm about to rise to the level of my Juror#8 ("Davis") namesake.
To my knowledge there wasn't a single witness that said that Zimmerman's head was being thumped against the ground. Not the women who lived two stories above where the incident happened. Not Mary Cutcher. Not the dog walker. Not the man who took pictures of Zimmerman post incident. Not Selma Lamilla.
Zimmerman said that Trayvon was doing ________. But the scratches/abrasions on Zimmerman's head are not consistent with being slammed against cement:
http://timenewsfeed....05/rtr328bf.jpg
Those are scratches consistent with getting his ass kicked, someone punching him in the face, and his head getting scratched up as he endeavored to avoid the punches or get up. That is not the type of laceration that you'd expect to see when skin is interacting violently with concrete.
The vogue thing to do right now is to take Zimmerman at face value because he had a bloody nose, a busted lip, and some scratches on his head. Many kids throughout America on the football field, on the basetball court, and in fisticuffs on the playground at 3:00 after school experience worse EVERYDAY.
They're not fearing for their life and they don't react the way Zimmerman did.
Trayvon would have stood up, called Zimmerman a punk ass biatch, laughed, and went about his way. Zimmerman would have had a well whooped ass. But they both would have lived to fight another day. Except that Zimmerman couldn't take his ass whoopin, couldn't fight back, and instead escalated a situation that he precipitated, into some final judgment because he was salty.
Not sure that that is fair.
So an ass whoopin is a reasonable response to being followed? I would say the introduction of violence was the real escalation of an otherwise innocuous situation.
Kids fighting on the playground is a very different situation. On basketball court, they're not fearing for their life because they know their opponent, know the nature of the dispute, and have similar intentions. Did Zimmerman know before hand that Trayvon was a cherubic 17 year old? Did Zimmerman know Trayvon's intentions? Also, fighting behind school at 3PM comes with 99% certainty that neither party will be shot. Getting jumped in a neighborhood which has witnessed increasing levels of crime comes with no such assurances or guarantees.
You can romanticize your hood ethics all you'd like, but the bolded is pure speculation on your part.
As for your definition of chase, "him" would be the object in your sentence. Your definition only applies in something like "for love of the chase", but you likely knew that.
chase
verb (used with object)
1.
to pursue in order to seize, overtake, etc.: The police officer chased the thief.
2.
to pursue with intent to capture or kill, as game; hunt: to chase deer.
3.
to follow or devote one's attention to with the hope of attracting, winning, gaining, etc.: He chased her for three years before she consented to marry him.
4.
to drive or expel by force, threat, or harassment: She chased the cat out of the room.
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After hearing everything that I've heard over the last few months, I still put the responsibility on Zimmerman.
He profiled an individual that wasn't doing anything wrong, chased/followed him (by his own admission) against the admonitions of a 911 dispatcher, then caught an ass whoopin.
What I'm not sure of is what happened in the intervening time frame between when he chased Trayvon, lost sight of Trayvon, and they finally confronted one another.
The only thing I do know is that if he would have called the police due to suspicious activity, then they could have performed their due diligence and determined that the kid was bored and walking for refreshments. Zimmerman would have been performing a valuable function for his community by observing untoward behavior and notifying the authorities.
Instead, he went beyond his citizen function, chased the kid, pissed him off, and caught a beat down. Then, out of options due to his own stupidity, Zimmerman had to resort to shooting Trayvon because he couldn't fight like a man.
If Zimmerman is exonerated, then he should be left alone and allowed to move on peacefully without being bothered by people who disagree with the court's judgment. He would have been acquitted and folks need to respect the determination of the court and let the man and his family get on with their lives.
Unfortunately, there are probably some cats, in some hood spots, who will endeavor to make Zimmerman's acquaintance.
Now he chased Trayvon? Interesting. I haven't seen that documented anywhere.
Where does Trayvon's responsibility lie, exactly? Is thumping someones skull off the payment now permissible if they do indeed piss you off?
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Nose tackle, field goal block specialist, special teams and high motor white guy
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That concept is just too far out there for willfully stupid people like Bigfat.
FAIR SHARE!
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Rich is when you have all you need, but and most of all a family that loves and cares for you...
Did that make any of you tingle?
But Seriously. I would say that if a person has more money than they know what to do with they are "rich". When it comes to "taxing the rich more" for me it's just making sure they are paying the same rate as the rest of us. There's no reason why I should be paying 19% of my income to Uncle Sam while some of the very rich are paying 15%. Some have argued for a flat tax rate. I think I could get behind that.
Quit your job and live off of dividends and you'll pay 15% tax on your post tax dollars, which were already taxed as income, capital gains or dividends, too.
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Yeah, I think that was lost in one of the great crashes.
Nope.
http://forums.twobillsdrive.com/topic/25951-oh-this-is-nicereal-nice/
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Yes she did. Last weekend Danica became the first woman to successfully travel 500 miles in a car without stopping to go the bathroom 8 times.
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Give it a few minutes and birddog will tell you how if we don't insure every last individual within our borders then we'll be stacking our dead in the street at gun point.
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breakeven point? you mean where tax revenue from the low wage employees and employers equals social program spending(while still supporting people from starvation)? i'm guessing, off hand, that's goona require a minimum wage of at least $9/hour or a big tax increase aimed right at wal mart and similar corps..
i suppose i left out your favored options: letting the "freeloaders" die of exposure or the plague.
Not even close. I'm talking about optimizing social program spending by comparing the external cost to tax payers in the form of vandalism, crime, squalor and the savings of a base case of no social programs. Minimizing the externalities caused by individuals who refuse to live within their means.
You assume that either businesses or tax payers need to pay for these individuals when there is no such obligation. I believe people will shape up when the cost of !@#$ing up gets too high.
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even from a purely pragmatic view, this makes no sense. those that can't provide for even the basics on their wages are then supported by social programs ie you and i and on borrowed money to boot. efectively, the burden of support has been shifted from employer to taxpayer. that's a real good deal for wal mart and the like. i really don't like subsidizing these businesses with my taxes and that is a direct result of a low minimum wage.
Sure it does. Just need to pare down the social programs and find the breakeven point.
What makes no sense is a system where individuals are not required to make responsible decisions.
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"If this stupid piece of plastic saves even one man from butt sex or trading homosexual favors for rides, then I'll have done my job."
-Pat McCrory
Hey, its progress.
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Unreal.
How we forget so quickly.
Barney Frank, Schumer and Maxine Waters shouldn't have any credibility in anything of importance for the rest of their lives.
That would make sense wouldn't it?
Instead, Frank's abject failure and negligence make him the most qualified man in Washington to reform the banking system and make all those capitalist pigs pay for their crimes. Unreal.
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i dodn't remember the event itself, but the movie was pretty good. i imagine for anyone around at the time and able to understand the magnitude of the accomplishment, it must have been incredible.
The movie is good, but the documentary is incredible.
http://www.amazon.com/Believe-Miracles-Story-1980-Hockey/dp/B00005TPC7
No matter how many times I've seen it, its no less moving or interesting.
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You can point in any direction and find a guilty party. The housing market crash will go down in history as the Perfect Cluster !@#$.
Ultimately our government incentivized this mess, but its hard to say that they could have accurately predicted that the private sector would respond with rampant fraud, predatory lending, reviving an all but forgotten risk management vehicle to effectively insure a single bet 1 million times over and that our ratings agencies would be the last to know that there's a problem.
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exactly. the wording may be awkward but i think the point stands. low wage jobs exist because they are necessary. there isn't a surplus because these workers are a bargain. higher their wages slightly won't make their jobs any less necessary. or would you propose hiring illegals under the table?
The wording, although clumsy, isn't the problem. The problem which I not so subtly tried to point out is that you suggest that these jobs aren't "discretionary" and then go on to provide the very definition of discretionary.
The only thing that stands is that you have a totally unsubstantiated opinion or some gut feeling that significant increases to minimum wage will have negligible effects on overall employment levels based on a one sized fits all cost structure, some misguided ideas about fairness and the assumption that business owners will ignore declining returns.
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honestly, i don't think the number of minimum wage jobs would decrease significantly if the min wage went up 2-3 dollars. here's why: these aren't discretionary jobs. they're a necessity or they wouldn't exist. companies aren't hiring low wage workers for a lifetime of loyalty. they hire them when and if they need them. and lay them off without a backward glance when things slow down. for reasons i earlier detailed, these workers aren't a massive percentage of variable cost in comp[arison to other fixed and variable costs. price increases for goods and services in many cases would be small.in answer, to NO reason question: if it was felt likely that such a move would destroy the economy (in the same way the sequester or failure to raise the debt limit does) then i would oppose it. i don't bel;ieve that to be the case and feel their are much more serious threats to the economy than this.yes. i believe everones labor should be valued at a level that a full time employee at any job can afford the basic necessities:food, shelter, basic health care
Your first assertion is totally wrong. For an explanation, look no further than your follow up which I bolded.
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I'm going to ask SDS to create an internal medicine sub-forum so that meazza, magox, tasker, chef, TPS, and I can all go over there pretending to be experts on **** we've only heard about on TV and see how you !@#$s like it.
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so we've gone through all the tired, old, lame excuses for not increasing the minimum wage: 1.deny the existence of the working poor 2.put forth that those making minimum wage are not trying to support a family on their wages. it's just kids working for pocket money 3. demonize the working poor. they're all useless workers. don't earn their pay. untrainable. lazy, etc.4. admit that there are some working poor but that a very tiny group of people are affected. 5.ad hominem attacks (but living in a glass house in this thread, i'll keep my stones to myself on this one).6. and finally, taa daaaaa, the good ole strawman of a living wage must equal a middle class wage.
it's important to remember that none of these excuses are remotely true. in fact, they're patently false. but that won't stop you the next time this comes up from spouting them off. maybe you could come up with something of real substance and surprise everyone. i won't hold my breath.
You can rant and rave about the working poor, livable wages, and the horrors of poverty all day long but it still doesn't explain how your "raise the minimum wage" magic bullet solves a god-damned thing. Why don't you provide evidence that the current minimum wage is significantly below the market wage dictated by economic fundamentals and then describe what effect this delta, if it exists, has on macro conditions?
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If there is anything that I wouldn't want to be, it would be a Crayonz deciple.
I believe the Crayonz Deciple is a logarithmic unit measuring the intensity of laughter caused by some poor, unwitting sap falling for Crayonz/Hamster/4mer's schtick.
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If everyone made $25 per hour then nobody would be poor, just like if everyone had a college degree then no one would be poor, just like if everyone owned a house then nobody would be poor.
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He was high?
and his stats his fnal year suggest he wasnt getting it
So you're still under the impression that the similarities between my word choice in my initial post and the known side effects of sizzurp were purely coincidental, and that a man of the world, such as myself, could be totally unaware of the ingredients in the tha drank, and also that I would make no attempt to satisfy my curiosity with the most basic of google searches?
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Total marketing ploy.
Pegula knows that if the Sabres are ever going to be China's team, they need a coach whose name isn't so flucking hard to pronounce.#RindyLuff
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Codine syrup
Thats why the game looked slowed down to him, becasue it was
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Explain.
Trayvon Martin Case
in The Stadium Wall Archives
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For hood ethic look no further. The implication that Zimmerman should accept his ass whoopin. I've seen that sentiment before, once. Episode one, season one of The Wire, a show I know you've seen and a moment I'm sure you'll remember. Take your ass whoopin like a man, don't shoot. Considering the underlying message and your word choice it should be clear where I got such an idea.