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Sorry to disillusion you but the death of Chavez is not going to stop people voting in left-wing governments across South America.

Of course it's an act of war. What the hell else can a bombing raid on another country's territory be described as? Not that it makes any difference. The Syrians have neither the capability nor the will to respond, even at the best of times, and these are not exactly the best of times.

Terrorists and career criminals will always have the right connections to get hold of guns, no matter what the gun laws. The dweeb who decides to massacre a load of people because he isn't getting laid enough may find it quite a bit harder if he can't just order himself a full Rambo kit off the internet.

I'm not sure if that's the case with the US media. I'm guessing (someone correct me if I'm wrong) that the US media coverage is very much on the Israeli side.

No, I never called you daft. I said your original statement was daft and only after your stupid schitt jibe.

If you start going nuts and referring to people as "stupid schitts", don't be suprised if they then can't be bothered to debate with you. You want a rational debate then cut out the insults.

Calm down. You made a daft statement and I corrected you on it. As for the rest of your hysterical post, I can't be bothered to reply to it. All along you've shown you know nothing at all about what goes on in that region of the world except for what you're spoonfed by your media (and which you believe unquestioningly) so there's not really much point in attempting any sort of dialogue with you.

You stated that Iran was guilty of shelling Israel. That's simply incorrect.

Supplying weaponry to a nation is somewhat different to actually being "guilty" of the act yourself. By that measure, the US would be "guilty" every time US weaponry is used by one of it's client states. As for Iran killing US servicemen, I'm not quite sure of what you meant by that either but I thought I'd go with the obvious mistake.

Iran is shelling Israel? Wow, that's some pretty powerful artillery they have...

Ah, I get it now. I did indeed misread your original statement. Apologies. Sorry guys, show's over.

You'll let me go back and reread it? That's real good of you. Nope. I'm still none the wiser about the part that Westside played in your downfall. Oh well, never mind. It doesn't worry me overmuch.

I apologize for my stupidity, oh great one. Perhaps you might deign to share your wisdom with us mere mortals and explain exactly what you meant by that statement.

Everything you've ever earned?! Do you somehow pay 100% tax?

I think you need to go back and read the post by "TakeYouToTasker" on page 2 of this thread. I don't think anyone here would disagree with that but the question is what is the best way of supporting and encouraging that sort of thing.

Well, this is a first. Normally, when people quote someone else to support their argument it's someone who you would expect to have some level of expertise in the subject. This is the first time I've seen some random dude in a comments section referenced. Ok, let's suppose for a minute that John Doe's thesis on all things Islamic is correct - what do you suggest we do about it? Kill all muslims? Subjugate them and demand that they renounce their faith at gunpoint?

The Saudi's interpretation of Islam plays a role in Saudi government policy certainly. However, in how many Islamic countries are women banned from driving? Nowhere but Saudi Arabia. I don't think it makes a great deal of sense to try to somehow blame Islam for something that is the government policy of one out of the dozens of Islamic countries. If you want to argue that the Saudis are nuts then fine, you'll get no argument from me (for many reasons, not just this) but you're on dodgy ground if you try to extrapolate what goes on in Saudi Arabia to every muslim everywhere.

Nice try at moving the goalposts. One minute you're blaming the whole religion for women being shot for going outdoors and then, when challenged on that, you move on to blaming Islam for Saudi government policy. Perhaps you'd like to point out the passage in the Quran where it states that women shalt not drive cars. The video was made by the Elephant Man?

Perhaps these enlightened types realise something that you seem incapable of - that blaming an entire religion for something that only it's most extreme adherents practice makes no sense. How many of the billion or so muslims in the world practice or support putting a bullet in a women's head for going outdoors? I think you will find that it's a tiny, tiny minority and yet you're quite happy to state that's the religion itself that does it as if it's somehow common practice. You don't seem like a stupid person but that's a pretty damn stupid statement.

Which Van Halen though? The original DLR version, Van Hagar or (gulp) the Gary Cherone version?

It's a difficult question. The ultimate aim should be a world where any nutjob can make a video, cartoon, blog....etc saying whatever they like about Islam and muslims will just say "so what?" as a response. Sadly, I don't think that's going to happen any day soon. In the absence of that, the only thing that can be done is to put pressure on nations to not let any demonstrations get out of hand. Ironically enough, dictators are a lot better at that sort of thing - it's hard to imagine that this would have happened in Libya had Gaddafi still been in power.

I agree. The response is stupid and they seem to get even more outraged about this sort of rubbish than about legitimate issues.

I'd agree with most of that. The video is provocative but the correct response is to ignore it. Hardly anyone would even get to hear about these videos if the reaction was not so stupid and extreme. The video makers probably wanted this sort of response to prove their point and these idiots did exactly want they wanted. The problem is that some (not all) muslims are pretty much incapable of the restraint you mention. They live in backward societies with poor education and are incapable of just shrugging this sort of thing off as more sophisticated people would be.

Yes, because genocide is such a great option. You truly are a complete imbecile.

One of the benefits of Scandinavian socialism