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    WR trade candidates, who do you want?

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    1 hour ago, Einstein's Dog said:

    Common misconception.  The Bills get $10M Tre money June 1st, also potential Josh restructure money. 

     

    If you look at the salary aspects, none of those seem bad, it is the future money where the expense will be, and the Bills have room in the future.

     

    Beane already shut down the Aiyuk trade suggestion and said he costs too much. 

    1 hour ago, Einstein's Dog said:

    Common misconception.  The Bills get $10M Tre money June 1st, also potential Josh restructure money. 

     

    If you look at the salary aspects, none of those seem bad, it is the future money where the expense will be, and the Bills have room in the future.

     

    Beane already shut down the Aiyuk trade suggestion and said he costs too much. 

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    Rd 2, Pick 33: WR Keon Coleman, Florida State

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    5 hours ago, Billy Claude said:

     

     

    The scouts spent hours and hours evaluating each player, watching tape, interviewing the player, talking to their coaches, looking at combine data, discussing the player with each other, comparing the player to other players etc.   

     

    How much time did you think Allen spent on this?   They probably gave him 10 minute highlight video and a one page summary of seven or eight guys and asked him for his impressions.   Maybe a three hours altogether tops. He was probably okay with most of them since it is hard for me to believe that Bills scouts wouldn't be able to rule out guys that definitely won't be a fit with their QB. 

     

    Do you get feedback from your franchise QB?  Sure, but I definitely hope that they didn't decide on passing over Worthy and Legette because Allen was banging the table for Coleman. That is not Allen's job.  My guess is that he would have also been perfectly okay with Worthy and Legette and the "Allen wanted Coleman" business is just a bit of stupid but relatively harmless PR.

     

     

     

    They likely gave Allen a list of WRs they had high grades on and told him to watch their games and pick one he'd like to work with. Obviously we did not have Worthy graded that high.

    Coleman Route Speeds

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    2 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:

     

    Yes he did, and as Beane literally said in the past and again this year, anyone can have an off moment in any one drill at the combine, and if they do, he isn't going to kill him for it.  It won't change the tape, it won't over ride all the other drills, etc.  And then he did also significantly improve the 40 time at his pro day like you said to a 4.51 which is faster than a lot of the best WR's in the NFL now and the past 10 years.  

     

    He did and it was a 4.51

     

    Link? From what I saw reported he just did positional drills at his pro day

    Coleman Route Speeds

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    22 minutes ago, billsfan89 said:

    Didn’t Coleman run a 4.51 at his pro day? He’s clearly playing at least a bit faster than his 4.61 40 time.

     

    I don't believe he ran the 40 again at his pro day.

    Rd 2, Pick 33: WR Keon Coleman, Florida State

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    9 hours ago, Alphadawg7 said:


    You get separation from a number of things, least of all forty times.  He has plenty of athleticism to separate at the next level and it’s going to come from technique.  And at Florida St they didn’t focus on this enough with him, but he’s shown the ability to do it.  At the next level the coaching in staff is going to focus on his technique and release because he proved he has plenty of short area burst and athleticism to excel there.
     

    There have been a lot of guys who came out where separation was a knock on college but showed they had the athleticism to be able to utilize technique at the next level.  It’s why guys like Kupp, St. Brown, etc have all gone on to have great success.  
     

    If a player lacks that athleticism (see Gabe Davis) then the ability to develop the techniques and routes that will allow them to consistently win at the next level isn’t as likely.
     

    You need to know what you are looking at to know who can improve and who can’t.  It’s why people high on Allen could see the potential to be accurate by seeing he had the tools, intelligence, commitment, coach-ability, etc to make the improvements in technique and showed he could do it early leading up to the draft.  
     

    Coleman has that.  He has that drive, commitment and athleticism to continue to develop and improve where he needs to in order to win consistently in the NFL.  
     

    Will he?  Who knows.  But he’s the kind of prospect I like to bet on.  This kid has an it factor that a lot of players don’t.  He has the right attitude, mentality, confidence, swagger, and competitive drive that sets a prospect up for reaching their potential.  
     

    To me…if DeAndre Hopkins and Brandon Marshall had a baby, that’s Coleman except Coleman is more athletic and humble.  That’s who I see when I watch him.  And Coleman ran a faster 40 than both of them.  
     

     

     

    How do you know what FSU did or didn't focus on with Coleman?

    Definition of a #1 receiver

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    32 minutes ago, oldmanfan said:

    I can name some that are the best on their team.  But what defines a # 1 WR is not universal as you can see from answers here.

     

    The premise of this thread is one poor attempt at some gotcha moment. I'm going to assume you're intentionally being obtuse and are actually smart enough to have an idea what makes someone a #1 WR. 

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