Bangarang
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There's nothing anyone can say to convince me this isn't a very weak WR room.
We are putting so much pressure on Kincaid and Coleman to be very good and I'll continue saying Shakir and Samuel are decent complimentary pieces but nothing more.
I envision a lot of struggles on offense this year.
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Claypool is absolute trash. What a sad WR room we've given Josh.
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I have low expectations
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5 hours ago, Billy Claude said:
The scouts spent hours and hours evaluating each player, watching tape, interviewing the player, talking to their coaches, looking at combine data, discussing the player with each other, comparing the player to other players etc.
How much time did you think Allen spent on this? They probably gave him 10 minute highlight video and a one page summary of seven or eight guys and asked him for his impressions. Maybe a three hours altogether tops. He was probably okay with most of them since it is hard for me to believe that Bills scouts wouldn't be able to rule out guys that definitely won't be a fit with their QB.
Do you get feedback from your franchise QB? Sure, but I definitely hope that they didn't decide on passing over Worthy and Legette because Allen was banging the table for Coleman. That is not Allen's job. My guess is that he would have also been perfectly okay with Worthy and Legette and the "Allen wanted Coleman" business is just a bit of stupid but relatively harmless PR.
They likely gave Allen a list of WRs they had high grades on and told him to watch their games and pick one he'd like to work with. Obviously we did not have Worthy graded that high.
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12 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said:
Looking at the positive, Coleman could be the broken play monster. Allen leaves the pocket and throws it up for Coleman 55 yards down field.
How many minutes is 55 yards at Keon's speed?
Kidding. Maybe
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2 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:
Yes he did, and as Beane literally said in the past and again this year, anyone can have an off moment in any one drill at the combine, and if they do, he isn't going to kill him for it. It won't change the tape, it won't over ride all the other drills, etc. And then he did also significantly improve the 40 time at his pro day like you said to a 4.51 which is faster than a lot of the best WR's in the NFL now and the past 10 years.
He did and it was a 4.51
Link? From what I saw reported he just did positional drills at his pro day
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22 minutes ago, billsfan89 said:
Didn’t Coleman run a 4.51 at his pro day? He’s clearly playing at least a bit faster than his 4.61 40 time.
I don't believe he ran the 40 again at his pro day.
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5 minutes ago, Ethan in Cleveland said:
Good move. Not sure he is good enough to give an extension but this buys you more time.
Depends on the price. He's certainly not worth big pass rusher money but he's still a good player in his own way.
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25 minutes ago, KentuckyBillsFan said:
I think 3 years from now this draft class will be a lot of "I can't believe we drafted X when Y was picked a few picks later"
Not to mention we're tied to Worthy if he excells in KC
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Who was in Group 8 with him and what were their times? Those rankings weren't among all WRs at the combine FWIW.
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Props to Beane for adding young talent in the draft as opposed to the 31 other GMs who drafted veteran scrubs.
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9 hours ago, Alphadawg7 said:
You get separation from a number of things, least of all forty times. He has plenty of athleticism to separate at the next level and it’s going to come from technique. And at Florida St they didn’t focus on this enough with him, but he’s shown the ability to do it. At the next level the coaching in staff is going to focus on his technique and release because he proved he has plenty of short area burst and athleticism to excel there.
There have been a lot of guys who came out where separation was a knock on college but showed they had the athleticism to be able to utilize technique at the next level. It’s why guys like Kupp, St. Brown, etc have all gone on to have great success.
If a player lacks that athleticism (see Gabe Davis) then the ability to develop the techniques and routes that will allow them to consistently win at the next level isn’t as likely.
You need to know what you are looking at to know who can improve and who can’t. It’s why people high on Allen could see the potential to be accurate by seeing he had the tools, intelligence, commitment, coach-ability, etc to make the improvements in technique and showed he could do it early leading up to the draft.
Coleman has that. He has that drive, commitment and athleticism to continue to develop and improve where he needs to in order to win consistently in the NFL.
Will he? Who knows. But he’s the kind of prospect I like to bet on. This kid has an it factor that a lot of players don’t. He has the right attitude, mentality, confidence, swagger, and competitive drive that sets a prospect up for reaching their potential.
To me…if DeAndre Hopkins and Brandon Marshall had a baby, that’s Coleman except Coleman is more athletic and humble. That’s who I see when I watch him. And Coleman ran a faster 40 than both of them.
How do you know what FSU did or didn't focus on with Coleman?
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32 minutes ago, oldmanfan said:
I can name some that are the best on their team. But what defines a # 1 WR is not universal as you can see from answers here.
The premise of this thread is one poor attempt at some gotcha moment. I'm going to assume you're intentionally being obtuse and are actually smart enough to have an idea what makes someone a #1 WR.
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1 hour ago, oldmanfan said:
Nope. If I knew I wouldn’t ask the question.
So what you're saying is that you can't name a single #1 WR in the league nor have any idea what it might mean to be one?
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Easily Justin Shorter
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You know what a #1 receiver is without having it defined for you. This is like asking what a franchise QB is and saying we could get by with a guy like Tyrod because Nick Foles won a SB at one point.
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9 minutes ago, 3rdand12 said:
I approve of this post.
Samuel and Knox and Cook say hello
even that other WR Bills already have 🙂
Our other complimentary players say hello? You think defenses are worrying about Samuel or Knox?
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Probably means the receivers will take turns carrying his clubs
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6 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:
Siap
So....who were the rest of the receivers in these lists?
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13 minutes ago, Shaw66 said:
They were anything but proven commodities when they were drafted. What they are is very much what the Bills' receivers are - good hungry athletes ready to play in a system.
The group of receivers you included around those players were not from their rookie years. Now you're moving the goal posts and making a different point.
Not to mention, the years Kupp and St. Brown were drafted, their teams were coming off of 4 and 3 win seasons. The expectations weren't nearly as high as ours are.
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14 minutes ago, Shaw66 said:
Good point. Looks a lot like Cooper Kupp, Puka Nacua, and Demarcus Robinson, before they became a deadly combination. Or St. Brown, Reynolds, LaPorta, and Raymond. Kelce, Rice, Valdez-Scantling, Watson. The style of offense these teams are playing, and getting good production in the passing game, is not dependent of big name receivers. It's a style that repeatedly leverages the defense in ways that allow good athletes to get open. Shakir, Samuel, Coleman, and Kincaid are good athletes and they will get open.
Kupp, St. Brown and Kelce were proven commodities as #1 receiving options. Putting complimentary pieces around those players at least has some logic to it.
We're putting all of our hopes in Shakir and Kincaid taking big steps forward and for Coleman to have a big rookie year.
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1 hour ago, Shaw66 said:
The Bills are going to come at teams with Coleman, Samuel, Shakir, Hollins.
That's literally why people are so frustrated. That's not an impressive group of receivers.
16 minutes ago, Turbo44 said:Yep and fastest 10 come drill of my wr t combine. Beane wanted him, Josh wanted him, I don’t give fck if a lot of 2billsmdrive bitc*es about him
Coleman did not do any agility drills at the combine. Maybe you're referring to his 10 yard split, which wasn't even the fastest
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The funny personality is cool as long as he is a good player.
OBJ To Miami
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People here will criticize this signing but praise the signing of Claypool. Make it make sense.