dayman

I was wondering how it was I remembered that name. Great news. Makes ya feel good on the inside.

Williams doesn't care.

yup

Of course, and I know. The problem is leadership regarding the politics of the party.

I can't read through this topic so I apologize if this is off base as far as what is actually being discussed at this point. One of the things I dislike about the conservative politics most is their use of socially conservatives issues in a way that I view as a bait-and-switch (and that puts it kindly). I'm not socially conservative but I feel bad for them, I feel they are the most abused voters in America. Abortion is never outlawed, school prayer never returns, the "culture industry" is never forced to clean up its act. The Republicans rely on social issues to keep a large portion of their base, then when they're in office they turn to economically conservative issues benefiting the wealthy (whom are NOT the same as most social conservatives). Now, I don't have a problem with economically conservative policy and people advocating it...but why does it have to be mixed with social conservatism? Then the very capitalist system the economic conservatives strive to strengthen and deregulate often promotes and commercially markets the perceived assault on traditional values. Basically I see people voting against their own interest in order to vote jesus, to vote anti-gay, etc. Not a big fan of that. Not a big fan of pandering to those issues. As someone who considers himself in "the middle" and *gasp* votes each election for the PERSON I decide I want...this is the biggest thing the conservative movement could STOP DOING that would sway me their way. But then again, they would risk losing the strangle hold on "the heartland" so it won't happen anytime soon.

Hillary has provided great leadership for the a global effort to combat hunger issues over time (as opposed to just combating critical shortages) and women's issues. She's been instrumental in our role in responding to, and operating amongst, the unprecedented turmoil in the middle east in a way that is not an idiotic knee-jerk reaction. I'm curious to here specifics on what gripes you have with this administrations foreign policy DC Tom. And also what extensions of Bush policy you feel account for Obama's "damned few" foreign policy victories. (not saying there aren't any btw just would like to here the ones you are referring to) Also, Hillary is largely responsible for us maintaining order (to the extent we have) in Afghanistan as she has been one of the foremost leaders within the administration supporting our continued active involvement there. I'm sure this point will get a reaction but IMO it could be much worse. Also, as secretary of state I've read that many foreign leaders have found her easier to work with given her first hand experience as a high level elected official...something others in her position have not experienced. However the basic short of it is I don't feel foreign policy has been a shortfall of Obama's run as president, but rather a solid aspect to his reign. And much of that is due to her competence. Most of you probably disagree...I'd like to here why (hell maybe you'll swing me).

In terms of foreign policy I feel Obama has better people working for him. I also feel Hilary has done an excellent job (though I realize this is a right wing board).

IMO it's the exact opposite. We can debate the internal decision making of the Bush administration all day and what Rummy or specific people "really thought" but the general consensus from what I've seen is that Bush's advisers delivered him one blunder after another in terms of advice. Bush will NEVER turn into an openly bitter and vindictive person b/c in all honesty I do believe he is above that personally but as far as I'm aware based on the things I've watched/read since he left office...the people he surrounded himself with failed miserably. DC Tom is correct here.

Either way Bush certainly had some intelligence problems. No pun intended. As an executive you are only as good as the people around you...

Without "the authorization law?" W/ out a Congressional Declaration or without UN Authorization? W/ out UN Authorization we arguably did (though I don't think it's clear) and nothing happened. W/ out Congressional Declaration of War it depends who you ask. If you ask Ron Paul, no. If you ask virtually all people who have actually been President then the answer is either "yes" or "probably depending on how bad I thought I needed to."

I think a lot of people in conversation confuse the fact that we often do engage in military action in ways the Constitution doesn't authorize, with the claims that the Iraq war was illegal under international agreements for lack of a UN Resolution authorizing it. I don't really know all the arguments and honestly it's moot b/c the UN won't do **** but the "illegality" of the Iraq war argument centers on the UN and our agreements with them and not having whatever clearance we need from them or something...and then we would point to something that either says we did somehow have clearance (based on some broad interpretation) or that we never signed away our ability to defend ourselves and that's what we're doing and blah blah blah. Long story short, something about the UN and international law not domestic law.

I prefer to just think of us as a true team playing by committee and seeing how far that can take us. I honestly doubt we'll have a guy that can carry us alone...ever again..

I know. 600% increase since the '80s. Tuition is out of control regardless of political affiliation most agree. Don't forget not just buildings but skate parks and other amenities to attract applicants with fat dollar signs above their heads.

Is that an either-or?

Franken was a former comedian/actor? OMG I had no idea. What talent he must have been...

Haha, grammar police. If you post on this board sober you have issues.

Wow can't believe hew as ejected for that.

Needs to get bigger. Great depth for our LBs though and love the experience/school he comes from. Love the way we draft now. Big boy football.

That's the other thing. For younger fan raised up as Bills like myself by Bills-crazy fathers who always had the ticket...I mean...it's not like the old days. I've watched every game my entire football-life (which started real early)...and in the WAY early days I would be taken to bars to watch which I would love it was like a special event as a kid to go to sports bars every Sunday.

I can tell you this I'm a bigger Bills fan than my extended family that lives in Buffalo. I eat sleep and breath Buffalo Bills football and have since I was born (not born and never been anywhere close to NY or the NE in general). The short answer is HELL YES. I've been to many home games and MANY away games. Follow the team obsessively. The truth is though, I can never be a "Buffalo" guy...but when it comes to the Bills...I'm a true fan in every sense of the word. So it's the difference between true fan of the football team....and "one of the locals." If it takes both in your mind to be a Bills fan then ... the answer is no. Also I'll just add (something I'm sure other people who don't live in Buffalo would agree with) there's a tight link when you find other Bills fans out there. We're a tight group and IMO tighter than most other displaced fans. And while you don't run into them every day...they're out there in decent numbers. License plates. Hats. Etc...and we always say something. ALWAYS say something.

Will Hill!!! OMG haha...we're ending this now...once Will Hill gets dropped we've exhausted the discussion.

What part of any student loan policy is unfair the "strivers" though? I don't really understand what you are saying? If they have loans, they can choose whether or not they would benefit from the program and take advantage...are you just saying you are against the federal government funding education in general? I mean...I just don't understand what your saying...

They questioned his maturity, that's fair. They question him being a thug that would be shooting up stuff and going to jail? SHame on the media. He got a raw deal form the jokers on TV. That is what I typed. I still feel the same way. Comparing him to Pac Man is what I said is unfair.

Haha get out of here w/ that I'm not "the pot culture" come to defend anyone. I don't smoke.

First off, UF grads might as well be some master race of academic achievement so don't question our collective brilliance. Second off, my "legitimate points" are this: 1) He fell out of 1st round 2) He didn't go to Bills so 3) It is weird for you to be so passionately against him and 4) have some perspective for God's sake. Anyway I think we've both said spoke our minds. I don't even understand what it is your getting at anyway b/c as I said before he's not a Bill and I said I was fine with that so you are literally just arguing that a guy who has nothing to do with anything as far as you are concerned is a bad person based on pot and sex.