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The way I see it that's going to be a talked about attack. If you read the CNN story I linked look at the comments...there are nearly 9000 comments on that opinion piece. That's a !@#$ ton.

I don't think Rubio would have helped him win Florida IMO. The people in Florida who Rubio helps with are on board, those who Rubio hurts with are not. There is little in the middle. Florida will be a bloodbath. Obama will talk medicare voucher. Romney will counter it doesn't hurt those already on Medicare and point to Medicare cuts in Obamacare. Obama will point out those same cuts are in Ryan plan PLUS voucher for the next batch of medicare participants. Ultimately that gets to the nexus...people in Florida like medicare. Will it be enough to say "your medicare is fine" when Obama says "so what about your kids?" Ultimately I do think Ryan will hurt in Florida but it won't be fatal per se. But Florida is going to see a ton of Romney money and Gov. Scott proved in the last election cycle that Florida is for sale to just about anyone w/ enough cash. Lies and money will win Florida. That's the one truth.

"Influences" of Obama have long been a hot topic to right wingers. And so now I suspect Ayn Rand will become an issue. If the Democrats think they can use the Ryan budget as a wedge to fracture the stranglehold the Republicans have on the poor rural Christian south, they're sure to try using the Catholic Nuns opposition to his plan and Ayn Rand...something that would be almost analogous to a number of Republican attacks on Obama in recent years. Expect stories like this to pick some some traction.... http://www.cnn.com/2...rand/index.html

It's not a given btw that he carries WI now though.

Ya and after a little staring at the map it seems about right. Here's the link I had in the other thread you can run a few simulations and sort of see it play out. Stare at Florida/Ohio/Colorado/Iowa/Virginia/N.H./Wisconsin as it goes and you will quickly see the chess match unfold. http://www.270towin.com/simulation/

Agreed but I would add Wisconsin and Colorado and highlight Florida as a blow that makes it next to impossible (but not impossible) for Romney to take it home. It really is Florida as a threshold matter if Romney pulls Florida then the rest of the states we mentioned become a huge chess game.

Ya you are right I ran a few more to get the map in my brain...WI and Virginia can overcome Ohio but nothing seems to get by losing Florida. And Obama seems to be able to win now and again w/ out Florida.

http://www.270towin.com/simulation/ Interesting little simulation. I laugh whenever California turns blue and the Democrat meter shoots the up crazily. California is !@#$ing gigantic. It's not a predictor but it just goes to show how Florida, Ohio, and Virginia are so crucial. I've ran it a few times Romney really can't get the math without them.

His budget is middle of the road and his social views are fairly modern

I got to say the train scene was excellent last night was a great episode.

Haha, ... no. Having a conversation w/ OC is bad enough no need to read it later.

Maybe but I'm pretty stellar most of the time I have to admit I'm great.

It's not a knee jerk reaction to just post what I did. Just saying another shooting. Reportedly near a school with police and others shot with automatic weapons. Details fuzzy, that's early reporting...we'll see in the end what weapons used and how many shot and for what reason. That said, breaking news is breaking news. Every time any gun story comes up it's no a knee jerk reaction to do anything except compare it to a car accident.

That's the same as early reports that multiple people were shot including cops with automatic weapons outside a university? No need to marginalize every incident of gun violence by comparing it to car accidents.

Yet another shooting outside Texas A&M. CNN reporting several people including officers shot.

Gingrich actually led strongly against his party at the time when he push started a backlash, behind the scenes he was a straight "traitor". Of course that was abandoned when the stupid sex scandal broke. But that's besides the point. I know you are a fool tea party man who thinks that is what we have been on the GOP side throughout our success and claim Reagan as your hero and look to Gingrich for a claim to fame in the 90s. But the bottom line is it's your own historical interpretation and not reality. And while I do like Clinton, the tech boom and natural market ebbs and flows were a significant part of his success. Nobody will deny that not even Clinton himself. What you don't seem to understand is what made Clinton successful is Gingrich caving. To Boehners credit he probably would have had somewhat of a similar deal had the 2010 elections put him as speaker but not with the same freshman class riding that particular political whim. But that said, he couldn't move. Not that he wouldn't, he couldn't and everybody knows that. As he likes to say you can only keep so many frogs in a barrel. And the failure is on Obama as well no doubt. But the short of it is really quite simple, one is a story of great disagreement, partial sabotage, and eventual humility before self inflicted scandal... the other is a story of great disagreement and complete and utter sabotage as intended. Now you sit here and blame fully Obama for not being Clinton? Clinton...be it Hillary or Bill...would have been stalemated by anyone working with the class of 2010 as Boehner himself was ultimately hampered. Most GOP leaders of the past would not succeed much w/ that lot under the circumstances as even Jeb Bush has said. Had Newt himself been speaker working as he did...he'd have been broiled but that wouldn't have happened b/c he wouldn't have done it in 2010 as Boehner didn't. Of course this is all about Obama blaming others. There's no place to point the finger in the WH unless it's a seemingly Dem House or Senate working against a strong, wise, principled GOP President. The bottom line is yo fail to see things from a neutral standpoint and understand the dynamic of federal government. Understand the politics and how they effect the policy we are able to contemplate. And understand how all that has broken Washington over the past 2 years. You say "Obama sucks." Fair enough. You are the idiot the tea party idiots want. You are the person that the people in Washington w/ no business in Washington depend on. And the worst thing is you don't understand, this doesn't make you a Republican. This makes you an idiot. EDIT: And by the way I'm completely smashed right now and you couldn't be more retarded in general. I'm sorry LA and Alaska boy aren't around to chime in with their valuable contributions to aid your idiocy in not understanding what actually goes on. There are intelligent comments to made on both sides. You make none of them. Plain and simple you are a terrible poster. Of course I don't care about that or anyone else really so I usually don't obsesses over it. But I've cracked my 3rd bottle of wine and don't have to wake up tomorrow so why not. You are an idiot. Some conservatives I've thought were, and still are in many ways...but have said some things that are somewhat legitimate. You and a few others, nope. Not one. Just absolute garbage. Literal conservative (it should be offensive to actual conservatives to hear me characterize it that way and I hope it is) idiot garbage. Go to the reality show trail threads (as if those don't happen every single day) and the culture warrior religion and gay and so on threads. That is where you belong.

You are 20 years old or don't read newspapers or have no education. Plain and simple. It's sad. I hope nobody you work with or know in real life knows your user nam e on this board I suspect they do not. For someone interested in politics, you don't seem to understand them.

For 1 I did support the surge enthusiastically, and I supported the war in the first place with most of America b/c I didn't know **** about what was there or the future of the war and all I had was what everybody had. For 2, I voted for Hillary in the primary but that's besides the point. For 3, Simpson-Bowles was a great idea the problem is it should be the end result of of the compromise (or close to it). T the weakness of simpson-bowles as nothing to do with itself and everything to do with Washington politics on both sides. For 4, Hillary would have "led the compromise herself"....lol...pay attention to Washington idiot. There IS no compromise if the Dem President leads a budget debate with the Republicans. That's a one way ticket to to GOP members being ostracized and Dem leaders turning on the President. Furthermore, there is no compromise period. Hence the thing was doomed before it began. The bottom line is you, LABillz and the guy from Alaska are retarded. Every bit as retarded as as the absolute most retarded "liberals" on this board plain and simple. But you will never know that, b/c nobody says "hey, dude, you are retarded" except me. But rest assured, you are. No hard feelings of course perhaps you will obtain an ability to think like a normal human one day and lay down the sword of partisan hackery or at least become someone with an intelligent view on anything.

OC you are a terrible contributor to this board just leave. It's ridiculous. And nobody is a supporter of a simpson/bowles approach more than I and everyone that knows 1 thing and 1 thing only about the last 2 years in Washington knows exactly why it didn't get adopted by anyone. B/c it never could have been. Plain and simple. Simpson himself said in multiple interviews if Obama adopted it, it would be rejected unanimously by Repubs and he knew that as fact. That said I still wish he would have done it anyway...but the bottom line is now is the time for this debate. Sadly the country's approach is that we can only do this once every 4 years now...but that's better than never.

Ryan is articulate, smart, and likable if you watch him speak. Obama can crush him on it by highlighting the downfalls and actually establishing a more gradual balanced approach w/ some concrete details. If he doesn't, Ryan WILL sell his plan as the only plan. Hence, this is a win for the country not just Romney. IT's made the election somewhat real.

Well I actually would hate that. What I would like to see it as is putting the Ryan budget front and center as what Ryan is calling it...a starting point to a negotiation...then as a country we actually negotiate. I don't know where you get the "not changing it for anyone" part...but that would make this election worthless and I would then hate the Romney/Ryan combo. Either way I've had almost 2 full bottles of wine right now so I may be reading your post wrong....but as far as I know Ryan doesn't say anything about "not changing his position" and that's why I like the pick so much.

Not the way I see it. He's out there w/ the "starting point" talking point already marginalizing his position. It's actually good for the country. If they see that plan as a "starting point" it immunizes his position from this sort of attack. To assert he is trying to destroy certain valuable policies to people Obama Co. has to come up w/ a way a way this could be done that doesn't while still addressing the problems we have (and time is fine but something must be said). Then when they start debating the differences the real fight begins. Then magically we have a real election. It's a win/win for both sides b/c let us be real...Dem or Repub it's time to have this debate. We couldn't when we spent 2 years preparing for the election and to "defeat Obama at all costs" but maybe we can now. This is hopeful thinking but either way... I like the Ryan pick.

lol just a burn I do hope you did well IDK if you know yet or not man no bad wishes lol

OC literally quoting a post I explain how debates are crucial and ranting about me saying they are no big deal out of fear? I think when it comes to reading comprehension you "just don't get it." (that feels good I think it is a tool of mine now wow)

I actually agree. Now the Obama squad has to attack him and his plan to attack Mitt and he's excellent at defending it...plus it puts the best man to defend it in front of the microphone to answer all the attacks. In the end while some pundits say it opens them up to a hot button attack target...he was open anyway and now he has someone good to answer for it. Someone who basically will know more about everything budget related than almost anyone else. Plus...it turns everything into budget talk. Ultimately I think Ryan will go down as a good pick. Win or lose.