dayman

Building and maintaining a strong lasting economy that works for the broad base of the public is hard practical work. All ideas in history have flaws and it would nice to see two parties bang out a variety of ideas, practical real world ideas, and hammer out something good. One side insisting on some theological dogma, demanding CRS reports to be retracted that contradict it, shading history to represent these ideas as something they are not, and refusing to consider other ideas or critically examine their own...is banana republic. If there was a magic pill that was so simple, the party that preached it would forever dominate. There isn't. Just reality. Taxes are low right now (contrary to certain insane rambling). Deficits matter (now more than ever). The economy is changing and must be reactionary the rest of the world. And strong public-private partnerships is what works in the real world.

Lol gop will never reconsider their dogma

I'm thinking Obama takes it 281-257 Obama: IA, WI, MI, OH, PA, NV, NH Romney: FL, VA, NC, CO

Think about what you are saying. Let's take 2010, 2006, 2002, and 2004, and average them out. That's 2012. In other words lets take 3 non-presidential races (where the dynamic is different and turnout is lower obviously), and the presidential race last time the GOP won, but lets leave out 2008 b/c Obama is black and nobody cares anymore....if we average these 4 years where only 1 was even a Presidential race then we magically have the 2012 electorate. Forget any growth in minority participation that's just a Dem pipedream. It's ok we leave out the electorate that happened most recently for a President, b/c Obama was black that time and it was new, and b/c I am personally so disgusted with him that I can't imagine everybody else doesn't feel the same it makes sense that blacks will not turn out as they did nor will other minorities grow as expected and white people are back ready to make 2010 look like the new normal! Red State supreme! Woo! I'm not sitting here vowing for every pollster or even getting into the minutia...but I know you have been deluding yourself and too into Dick Morris and other people who are much too bullish on this GOP surge and fail to recognize the reality of certain struggles the GOP has while emphasizing struggles the Dems have. Romney can win. Obama can win. If Romney wins it will be an upset, not a historical upset but an upset. Why? B/c your nonsense isn't reality. It's the reality distortion field you think you can materialize to boost your enthusiasm. Settle down, stop thinking you know what you are talking about, and accept reality.

You problem is you are way out of your mind bullish about so called "low propensity voters" just slinking back to silence b/c of reasons they know nothing about (hence why they are low propensity voters in the first place). Additionally, you discount historical growth with naive wishes. Is it possible the Dems have a view of the electorate that is a bit beyond reality? It is possible, of course. Is it likely that the historical developments with the electorate that have consistently built up over years just go away in a presidential election year? Probably not. I saw a post where you advocated taking the last 4 electorates EXCEPT 2008, then averaging them...and proclaiming that is what 2012 looks like. You are out of your mind to say such a thing. There's a reason people who's jobs depend on being as close to accurate as possible don't do stupid things like that...and it isn't b/c they just want to make slow gentle love to Obama it's b/c there is an election next week and everybody will know if they were credible or not.

I have never seen such obsession with polls when the election is less than a week away. Nobody knows the turnout, Obama does have a good "ground game" in swing states, and it's safe to say it won't be 2008 or 2010. But rest assured good men of PPP, there is an actual day where people will vote and it's less than 7 days away.

You can only do a provisional ballot in Ohio EVEN IF you bring the absentee ballot with you to the polls? What a stupid rule...

Our apologies to Matt Damon we ran out of time

lol I was very much there...and I never said I was a true catholic ever...not as in I never said that...as in I never was and never said that...took me a while to figure out if I should walk my ass up there and not eat the thing or just not walk up...how to be respectful in Catholic church...there should be a youtube tutorial on that.

Oh my bad bowing...another good example of a nonsense fixation. In another thread someone else was sort of idealising generations past, particularly the WWII crowd. One thing is for certain, if fellow countrymen began to consistently roll their eyes and not take things seriously b/c of consistent, premature, dramatic overplay for partisan purposes they wouldn't continue on emboldened claiming the others are simply out of their mind. They would at some point have some introspection and humility...regardless of what you think when you ask everyone around you what's up with you...there is no where to run. No shame in hitting this hard on certain points...lots of shame in this topic and in the conservative bloc right now though. Bash Obama on policy, Libya, but do it legitimately. (fyi I thought I was in the Libya topic when I wrote this hehe so consider that for context when reading)

Everybody belongs above politically motivated conspiracy theories against any president. I'm certainly no opposer of criticism and skepticism but this circus is act 2 of fast and furious desperately trying to find anything that supports the natural conclusion that Obama is personally liable of national shame and impeachment. Tom is above this. B/c he chooses to be.

Tom is no friend of Obama but yall turn on him the moment he calls it as he sees it...to say everything is rosey here is naive but to comment as some of you have is nothing short of the exact behavior you hate that came unfairly against Bush in circumstances that by any standard had a much greater impact on the country. It's a topic of politics in here don't fool yourselves...no wonder Mr. Issa is so powerful these days

Hehe, I don't have a link but I think (only think) I read something about him working on his bowling after that incident. In any event, there is no doubt the supported all manner of new energy sectors with the stimulus, but they didn't pick winners and losers, they picked everything with solid shot of one day being the new deal...multiple different approaches and fields and a bunch of companies with different approaches within those got backed loans from the energy dept...he picked the game...but the idea the market hasn't picked the winners and losers after the game was set is contradicted by the facts...the 90B was a base that attracted more than double that in private finance and the vast majority of those companies contrary to propaganda have not failed. He put a unprecedented money in research as well...his game was new energy, he campaigned on it, and he did it. And it's that simple. If you don't like investment and incentive for new energy then you don't like a huge part of Obama's agenda...one that was no secret but one that won election either way. But the crony capitalism is nonsense....it really is...get over it and pick a real reason to bash the man there are quite a few.

Will never understand this crony capitalism and laziness knock

Well if we are confined to those examples I would have to take the first given that Obama was hardly the team of destiny, had the early lead, then got close, and the rest is uncertain.... In any event, I think Dewey v. Truman is a good analogy from the conservative view. Obviously it's not the same as Obama is not a huge underdog incumbent from the masses point of view, if anything it's close and he's a slight favorite. However, the parallels are there in the conservative bloc. Gross overconfidence, can't imagine how a campaign promising to repeal a liberal agenda amidst a less than booming economy can fail, and then...a loss.

As somebody who is not religious but comes from a Catholic family (to the extent we have religion, mainly Italian grandma and Irish Boston relatives), I would go so far as to say I am Catholic for the sheer fact I have endured many a Catholic mass.

This could well be a Dewey v. Truman moment for some of you who are so overconfident. Not that I will ever say Mitt has no shot, but you guys are all in with these blogs and conservative confidence.

Romney can win, but it is much likely that he loses. That is just the way of things. He isn't beat, but he would be an upset. Step outside PPP and this is known. WH should be confident. Without some changes he will more than likely be president again.

If my candidate loses it means I now root for and wish success upon Mitt Romney

lol some of these "predictions"

They just "chose not to rescue them" that's the takeaway you get from this story? Basically Obama was sitting there and said..."nah, don't worry about it." That's certainly an interesting takeaway. We probably won't see this the same you are correct.

I read links in here 3rd. What I'm saying is what specifically has you so riled up that is the worst cover-up/scandal in history? It basically comes down to commanders telling the guy to stand down? I mean I agree it's not something people like to hear, lots of stories of that happening in the military including that really high profile Ganjgal battle with that guy that wrote that book... It comes down to the communication about exactly what happened and why th days following? I'm not here to defend anything against any theory (of which there are many)...I'm just wondering what is it that is so scandalous that this is the worst act of cover-up/whatever in history that people in here are calling for impeachment lol...or is it really just something bad happened before the election you and want Obama gone so it's got to be turned from bad to the worst scandal in history? EDIT: And also the other thing I don't get is the implication from some places give that somehow all would have been saved by Mitt? I mean I don't get what it is that Mitt would do, or Obama should have done, in the midst of this cluster that makes this whole thing good...crazies attacked the consulate and now there's post-hoc critics out there just as every loon did w/ Bush talking about conspiracy and should have done this and that...it's just sort of transparent.

What specifically am I thinking about for that question? No hellfire reigned down by a drone or jet?

You guys who have various issues with Benghazi, so be it, I don't know everything and it's fair to question things. You all who think Obama willfully sacrificed people to cover up the attack from happening for political reasons are out of your minds.

You are completely out of your mind. Completely gone. Way worse than any Bush conspirator.