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1 hour ago, SoTier said:
Translation:
- PPP is the special preserve of the Right and alt-Right, and replies to right wing diatribes, conspiracy theories, slanders, etc = '"trolling"
- Righties are allowed to troll and mock and act like the abused victim but Lefties are not.
- Righties never ever troll and are never hypocrites. Only Lefties can be that, which is why they are continually disrespected.
- We Righties allow a few token moderates who show the proper meekness and never really challenge us to exist unmolested here as a token of "free speech".
This analysis is a bit rich coming from you. I've actually had some good discussions with you and thought you would be a good contributor, but more often than not your posts are the same slanderous snarky swipes, devoid of any real substance, that you're accusing others of posting. It's disappointing because you have the potential to be better.
If you make a legitimate argument it's fine to mix in a little snark or condescension. If done with wit it's great (See DC Tom). A little trolling and mockery can be fun. But when the overwhelming majority of your posts amount to a list of adjectives and/or conclusory statements that are either completely unsupported or based on circular reasoning it wears a little thin.
I find it offensive that you besmirch some of the liberals here like Doc Brown, Crayola, Alf, etc. as meek and unwilling to challenge. Those guys have never hesitated to tell me exactly what they think and they are met with respect from the majority of the board, not because they are meek, but because they are reasonable adults who explain their position. Crayola's thrown some of your shade my way, but that's okay. I'm a big boy. I can take it.
The poster using the Kay Adams handle doesn't shy away one bit, is far to the left, and is met with nothing but respect. Why? Because after she states her position she explains WHY she holds that position, and engages in honest and thoughtful debate. You should try it sometime. You might be surprised what you get in return.
I don't think anyone would accuse Bull Buchanan of meekness. He goes both barrels blazing with far left takes and insults, and he certainly gets it handed back to him, but nobody puts him in the same category with BillSlime. Why? Because despite his extremist views and cantankerous disposition, he engages and explains his position (even if those positions seems insane to some of us). He's let me know just how disgusting of an individual he believes me to be, but somehow I got through it without running to the mods or crying myself to sleep.
And as far as I can see the only people acting like abused victims of mean posters are you and your ilk. The only complaints I've seen from the "righties" are about trolls polluting the board with an abundance of spam posts, and those same trolls running to the mods to get real posters banned or the site shut down.
You have two main problems:
The first is your inability to look in the mirror and see that you are that of which you complain.
The second, as is typical of people of your persuasion, you view people not as individuals but as members of groups. Ironically, it's the same philosophical framework the authoritarian regimes you typically analogize your adversaries to were based upon. PPP is comprised of many individuals of different backgrounds, philosophies, personalities, and temperaments. At times the most heated debates are between people you identify as being on the same "team."
What was great about this place (and I'm speaking in the past tense) is that all those people could come together and openly discuss/argue issues without fear of reprisal. Sometimes it got heated, but anyone worth his salt can handle a heated exchange and a few insults on an anonymous message board. Unfortunately, weak minded people who can't handle the stress of having their beliefs challenged feel compelled to silence their opposition rather than counter them. It appears that's taken the form of baiting and tattling. It's sad.
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31 minutes ago, SectionC3 said:
And if you want to play the grammar game, and if you had no intent to cast me as a pedophile, perhaps you should have said “lawyer for pedophiles” (which, to be clear, is untrue). But you didn’t. “Vile” is overused on this board, but to casually cast someone as a pedophile is a vile, disgusting, and unacceptable thing. You deserved what you got. And, instead of whining about how you now allegedly have become the victim, perhaps you could apologize for the gross insinuation that you casually cast into the public domain.
That's a deviation from standard word usage. No one says lawyer for defendants, lawyer for plaintiffs, lawyer for divorces, lawyer for creepy porn, etc.
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18 minutes ago, SoTier said:
Well, for once, you got that right. Not just "bad" but stupid, self-serving, and traitorous, too.
You left out fascist, racist, sexist, and homophobic.
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49 minutes ago, westside2 said:
If any Democrats out there can give me some reasons to vote for him, I'm all ears. Having been a Democrat my entire life, up until recently that is. I would love to return.
Some questions I would like to know.....
1. Do you consider antifa/BLM part of the Democrats? If not, who do they belong too?
2. How does Biden plan to restart the economy when he plans on closing coal and oil?
3. Will Biden get rid of free trade with China? Will factories and pharmaceuticals return to China?
4. Will Biden cancel the tax cuts that has saved thousands of dollars for the middle class?
What exactly is his plan for health care other than Obama care and all of its flaws?
I would love to have a reason to return back to the party I grew up with. But I need to know what they actually stand for.
Thank you in advance.
What part of Orange Man Bad don't you understand?
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4 minutes ago, Teddy KGB said:
that’s because you aren’t an assssshole like the others.Took the words right out of my mouth.
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42 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said:
This all day! I’d love to engage in meaningful discussions with those who hold opposing views. All of this Trump hatred really has to stop. The Left have worked themselves into a juvenile frenzy. I’m dying to read even a single pro-Biden talking point.
I'd settle for an anti-Trump talking point that wasn't dripping in bullsh!t.
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9 hours ago, SDS said:
I realized in my long rambling post that I did make it easy for people like I requested others make it easy for me/us. So, let me expand upon the recent events, that came after the "post in this topic to ***** on X", a 30 day suspension, multiple attempts to bypass it, and an ensuing PM pissing match upon return. This is what I was told to look at:
(My interpretation is that The Frankish Reich is being accused of making a duplicate topic. The response below.)
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You know how you can tell an asshat from a good poster? "https://www.twobillsdrive.com/community/topic/227311-will-trump-be-healthy-enough-to-run-and-serve/?do=findComment&comment=6758287
Thumbs up: Buffalo Gal, carpet crawler, dub, Dragoon"
Liars gonna lie." Posted ####### meme
Link deleted"
It's a special: "LOOK AT ME! I NEED ATTENTION" post by the board's newest chief Asshat.
It's fun to watch such a dumb man go through such lengths to prove how incalculably dumb he truly is."
Thumbs up: dubs, Laughed: cinga
You could have put this in any number of threads. It would be just as forgettable and stupid in those threads as it would be on its own. But, the asshat would rather ***** up the board like a pelican because he's in desperate need for attention. It's funny to witness a grown man continually make an ass out of himself in public.
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You're so full of shite you can't even keep up with your own bullshite positions. Carry on being a dishonest asshat. "
https://www.twobillsdrive.com/community/topic/227311-will-trump-be-healthy-enough-to-run-and-serve/?do=findComment&comment=6758354"
That's unfair to ask. He's not even smart enough to realize the sky is blue. "Upon further investigation, I read this (In response to TFR's request to stop the name calling):
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Nope. Don't think I will. I gave you weeks of civility, you wanted none of it. Now you just get the horns. Your choice, Frank. "I have looked over pages and pages and pages of posts by TFR and other than pushing back on positions, conspiracy theories and sometimes the general bent of PPP, I see absolutely nothing outside the normal back and forth of political talk that justified any of this on the heels on that suspension.
TFR's posting history (I apologize for pulling you into this):
Maybe I missed something. 🤷♂️
I also want to make it clear that TFR did not report anything. Another member did. So I ask:
1. What do I tell the member who reported the above and expresses to us that another member is facing unwarranted, repetitive abuse?
2. What am I supposed to do after reading the above after just going through this scenario with the reported member?
3. As this country becomes more polarized and as our discourse increasingly gets more extreme, why would I want this Buffalo Bills Community associated with the above (among other things)? A lot of people post anonymously here. I, however, am not (or at least it is the worst secret ever).
I want to note that, unless I missed it, friends of DR didn't exactly call for him to relax. Posters have responded that people here handle it themselves. So far I have failed to see where TFR needed to be handled like this. I do see DR needing to take a step back (IMO), but no advice was offered (unless it was done privately and he ignored it).
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Oh, and one last thing… The PM ***** storm that I got pulled into had to do with DR continually accusing another member of child abuse, which DR continued to assert in PM.Just additional information from my point of view.
I know we're beating this thing to death, but fwiw I would never have thought this was prohibited content in PPP.
I don't know about the child abuse part, but if it was toward Gary/Zebra it was probably warranted for the reasons stated previously.
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30 minutes ago, SDS said:
This is probably peripheral to the discussion I've been trying to have, but the above responses beg the question... Did DR come after the one verifiably known person here that is actually on the sex offender registry?
Again, not trying to be argumentative. Just curious given the unique situation.
I didn't learn of that situation until some time after so I can't say, but my understanding is the poster in question was banned around the time that information went public, so I'd doubt it. DR isn't really one to go after someone unless provoked.
I believe LB3 and Taro's assessment is accurate. When DR was posting serious information about abused children (and there have been several child trafficking rings discovered recently) Gary/Zebra seemed to find the whole topic highly amusing. That very well may have given rise to that accusation.
On a side note, and not that it really matters, but DR isn't a political idealogue. There seems to be a perception that he's a right winger hell bent on "owning the libs," but the truth is that he's not terribly conservative and for the bulk of the time he's been posting here he's been more aligned with the left.
He's one of the few people I know who tends to view issues individually and self-assess based on new information. Whether his information is correct is up to debate, but he's a very curious individual who is not married to any political party or preconceived point of view.
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11 minutes ago, SDS said:
Is this a defense? 🤔I don't know if it's a defense, necessarily, but let's just say that Wacky Zebra isn't exactly a good faith actor. He's mostly harmless, but his posts more often than not seem designed to stir the pot rather than discuss the issue. I don't mind him, but he gets under some people's skin.
It's entirely possible that the accusation was based on prior statements, but I'm not sure about that.
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It depends on who you ask. According to my mom I'm a lovable little angel. According to Bull Buchanan I'm a Nazi.
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22 minutes ago, shoshin said:
To be clear, DR invited a discussion of the merits of PPP and I gave my opinion.
I didn't lobby, report, or ask anything about DR. I never tried to get DR banned. DR got himself banned by going after the site's owner.
You lobbied to have the board shut down in this very thread.
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1 minute ago, BullBuchanan said:
You children want to cry about your "free speech"? This is what an outright assault on free speech looks like.
Where were you?Try to keep up, buddy.
No one has made any "free speech" claims other than calling out Shoshin's desire to eliminate it where it already exists.
Your attempt to hijack this thread to advance your anti-cop crusade is obvious.
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15 minutes ago, BullBuchanan said:
Apparently understanding what free speech is and is not is a really hard concept for the right to grasp.
You think it allows you to say and do anything you want on a private message board.
But you think it's ok for police to assault the press, shoot people in the face and use chemical weapons on them at peaceful protests.
The level of cognitive dissonance on display from your crowd is staggering.The irony here is staggering. Let me take these one by one for you:
Free speech allows you to communicate the facts and opinions you choose to. The fact that it's a private message board means only that the owner of the message board has the right to abridge free speech if he sees fit. In this case the OWNER of the private message board has allowed free speech to exist in this forum. A relatively new poster is now lobbying him to change that.
And I've never supported police doing any of the things you've listed, although you and I have vastly different definitions of "peaceful protests." That topic can be discussed in the appropriate thread. No need to hijack this one.
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1 minute ago, meazza said:
It's scary really that people feel this way. I've seen purely political message boards and those contain the worst of the worst. Nazi's, commies, etc. No one wants to really talk to those idiots but you have a relatively friendly message board with left & right of center views with a few extremes and we need to shut it down.
Exactly. For all the aspersions cast upon this board by those who rarely frequent it, the level of discourse is usually a cut above what you'll find across most of the internet. And while some of us have takes on issues that may occasionally flirt with the fringe
we don't have any regulars who are all that extreme, with the possible exception of the guy who thinks all cops are terrorists.
AD was the perfect mod because he is extremely tolerant of views he finds absurd, but will cast out the few who attempt to bring the board down.
The bottom line is, if the Shoshins of the world are honestly looking for a thoughtful debate they can find it here. Ironically, the only people who may have difficulty finding such a thing are those that entertain the possibility that Orange Man might not be so bad.
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2 minutes ago, shoshin said:
We had this discussion here. Most here want to keep it. I think it's time to flush PPP and it's not because of something that happened in the last 3 months--when you started PPP my understanding is that it was a place for the Bills fans to talk politics. It's since become its own thing, for worse, whether it's liberal trolls, pizzagate believers, massive content retweeters and news pasters, etc. And there are so many political outlets these days.
At least your being very transparent about your utter disdain for free speech.
SDS has been good enough to provide a forum where free speech still exists, which is not the case for most political outlets these days, and you go out of your way to lobby for its abolition. You do this even after he's made it abundantly clear that he has a life outside of the board and would rather not be dragged into it.
Are you so troubled by free speech that you can't tolerate its existence on an obscure political sub-board of a Buffalo Bills message board?
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1 minute ago, Golden Goat said:
I use ignore for obvious trolls. It makes the thread flow so much better.
The feature is amazing, until someone quotes that person. One tweak to the ignore function -- like also ignoring any post that quotes the poster on ignore -- would solve a lot of our issues. Ignored users would be forgotten in < 24 hours.I do that on Twitter. Anyone who causes AOC to show up in my feed gets their retweets muted.
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1 minute ago, SDS said:
To make a clarification...
I know my rambling post seems like it was a complete tell-all, but it wasn't it. Plenty of people report posters like BillStime and and a whole host of others. It was the source of my "tell a better story in reports" request. Reporting a person by calling them annoying or saying they posted an annoying meme in PPP is not something anyone is ever going to take the time to investigate.
Also let it be told, we have been telling everyone for weeks/months? to stop reporting trivial matters, regardless of the poster or their philosophy.
Well understood. My gripe is not with you, but with the people who feel the need to burden you with these matters. And I appreciate you taking the time to give a thorough explanation. I'm not one who necessarily feels entitled to one.
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3 minutes ago, Cinga said:
Those 2 have had their moments, but I think were dragged into the mud with Billstime. Let's hold out some hope for them and a couple others here that have, or do sometimes at least, add to the conversations.
Edit to add, thanks @SDS!!!!
I agree. I don't want to see either of them banned, but any abuse they receive is well earned.
4 minutes ago, westside2 said:Billstime was one of the worst. I think alot of liberals and some ex liberals, myself included, could actually be better contributors to this forum if only they could stop with the petty Trump hate and just talk policies. It's really not that hard.
To be fair, they don't have much else to contribute. Well, other than "you're a racist."
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2 minutes ago, shoshin said:
Thanks for the invitation. I decline, especially seeing some changes and promises of more.
I'd love to chat about politics like people would do in person.
It's not that hard. The majority of posters here do that. When you come across one who hurts your feelings, simply put him on ignore. Problem solved.
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1 minute ago, shoshin said:
I suggested that TBD and OTW are amazing, and PPP is a cesspool with a stink radiating through the site and wasn't necessary.
The bannings above and lately are a good start, perhaps.
Then don't come here.
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3 minutes ago, shoshin said:
Stop. He got himself banned after getting a warning suspension. Read all the crap he put SDS through.
And good job banning some other names. That BillsTime guy was a trainwreck.
Sounds like DR had his second chance and not only abused it, but abused it aggressively.
Why do you want him gone? Like him or not (and I do), he makes the place a lot more interesting. He contributes more than you and I combined. He's also a legit bills fan who is part of the community. He's not some rando trolling others. He's passionate about learning and sharing his ideas, and sometimes passionate people let their emotions get the better of them. That doesn't necessarily mean you wash your hands of them.
As to the call out thread, I don't expect SDS to know the back story, but to my understanding it was a call out of Gary Busey (who I believe is now posting under some Zebra monicker) who is not a legit poster. He's not here to engage, but simply to troll. Perhaps more specific instructions were given to DR, but my understanding was that the message was that call out threads were forbidden. I know I did not understand the message to mean that we couldn't talk ***** to other posters.
One of the things that makes this site great is that we can get a little rough and tumble with each other. We're big boys playing in our big boy stance.* In my younger days I had interactions that got a lot more heated and insulting than anything I've seen DR engaged in (some I probably took too far), and it was all good. I don't harbor any hard feelings and I doubt any of them do either. Being insulted on the internet isn't that hard to deal with.
The big problem isn't insults or misinformation - Misinformation can be countered with correct information, and insults can be defended by thick skin. The problem is people that feel the need to burden the proprietor of a website we all enjoy with petty complaints instead of sacking up and handling it themselves like men.*
* This is not meant to be dismissive of the lovely ladies who grace us with their presence. They seem to be able to handle themselves just fine.
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18 minutes ago, SDS said:
Since this became an issue here, I’m letting you know that I have permanently banned:
buffalobillsfootballGoBuffalo716
BillZtime
along with two others accounts and BillStime for 30 days.
A couple notes:For the love of God please stop with the bot conspiracy nonsense. Look up Occam‘s razor.
Secondly, if you feel a situation is so egregious that it needs to be reported, take the time and explain it to me like I’m five. Put a bow on it. Providing minimal information and expecting me to play Sherlock Holmes to try and piece together a vague situation together on my own almost never happens.
Thanks.
I understand you have a lot going on and I don't want to contribute to making PPP a source of annoyance for you. For years I dealt with the same neck issue you described and I know how difficult that can make navigating your regular life already even without a bunch of overgrown children asking you to come play nanny in the sandbox. (If you're not already doing so I recommend getting on a consistent exercise regimen. It helped me tremendously).
I appreciate you allowing this forum to exist as it has. It's one of the few remaining places on the internet where frank and open discourse is still allowed and has a good core of knowledgeable posters who, in my estimation, have made it something special.
I would ask that you consider making DR's ban temporary (and not banning TYTT who is a very talented writer/thinker, and a legit Bills fan who I hope will choose to return if allowed). Sometimes emotions run hot. I know you're not that familiar with DR, but he's a writer. These guys are very emotional. Occasionally he gets riled up, and perhaps he showed his ass in his interactions with you, but he's a good guy who really does bring a lot to the board. The groundswell of support for him speaks to that. (I know I never got this kind of support 😥 and I'm a model citizen
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Again, I know you're busy and I don't want to be a burden, but if you could consider it I know I and many others would really appreciate it.
Thanks.
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5 minutes ago, SectionC3 said:
Very snowflake-y of a bunch of MAGA, is it not?
In left-wing la la land whining and tattling because someone posted mean words on line is the pinnacle of masculinity, but expressing dismay over the banishment of a member of the community is "snowflake-y."
And I hope I'm wrong, but I believe the ban is permanent.
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44 minutes ago, wAcKy ZeBrA said:
Anyone need some cheese with their wine?
Yes. 5 or 6 posters according to SDS.
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in Politics, Polls, and Pundits
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You guys must do a lot of yoga to be able to stretch that far.
While you are correct that one does not typically refer to sex crimes as pedophile law, any reasonable person with a functional understanding of the English language and a shred of common sense would clearly understand that phrase to refer to a lawyer who represents pedophiles and not a pedophile who is a lawyer.
It's really not a close call.
Just for ***** and giggles I asked two lawyers what they thought the term "pedophile lawyer" referred to without giving them any backstory. Both, without hesitation, said lawyer who represents pedophiles as though the answer couldn't be more obvious.
This is just another example of you guys intentionally misrepresenting someone's words so as to feign indignation on the premise that their statement conveyed something other than its plain and obvious meaning. It's so typical.