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3 hours ago, HappyDays said:
Is anybody on the board arguing the offense won't produce "solid results"?
I don't think anyone is.........that's just people lowering the bar from great to good to justify the organization's decisions.
But there is a lot of buy-in to this notion that Allen is cut out to be Tom Brady 2.0.........the "point guard".
Going thru his reads quickly/decisively.....choosing just the right option.....getting them the ball with pin point accuracy in tight coverage.
When the reality is that is NOT his game.
The season came down to Allen staring down slot receiver Khalil Shakir on 2nd and 9 and dirting a pass that needed to go almost 35 yards past the LOS to be a completion..........while Diggs ran free underneath for what would have at worst set up a short 3rd down.
Tom Brady wins exactly ZERO SB's with Josh Allen's eye's and touch.
JA is what he is.........and that is GREAT........if they'd just understand that they have a big play QB not an elite game manager.
Since 2021 they've put less and less WR talent around Allen........setting him up for failure.
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13 minutes ago, eball said:
Sorry, I still don't see the huge fuss. They lost Diggs -- who was a shell of himself down the stretch and in the playoffs and was clearly causing locker room tension. They lost Davis, who was so inconsistent you could never count on him. They lost Harty and Sherfield, who did nothing (but thanks for that PR Deonte).
Shakir blossomed late last year and one can only expect that to continue. Kincaid was everything we hoped and enters year two without having to learn the NFL game. Samuel is an above average WR who has never played with a decent QB. Coleman wasn't the guy "everybody" wanted but he's hardly what I would call a "project." Cook had a breakout season. Ray Davis looks like he could immediately contribute in the passing game. And Knox is Knox -- certainly fine as a 4th or 5th weapon, and can create mismatches.
With Samuel and Shakir you have speed. With Coleman and (Hollins or Claypool or MVS) you have size. With Kincaid you have an emerging star. And, as noted in this thread, the overall depth at WR1-6 is better than it was last year. Who cares that none of the current WRs have had a 900-yard season? How have their situations changed this year? What is different than before? For nearly all of them it's pretty significant -- most notably playing with an all-world QB (except for MVS).
Everyone hung up on there being no "true" WR1 is just already looking for excuses before the season even begins -- the "on paper" crowd. I'll lean towards potential and different circumstances leading to solid results.
I expect the Bills passing game to be dangerous and difficult to defend, with a legitimate go-to option in Kincaid.
Hey, you thought Gabe Davis was going to be outstanding too and mocked the need for the Bills to upgrade on him.
Davis left to a chorus of good riddance.
You just don't understand context.
The key aspect of their improvement under Brady was reckless abandon for Josh Allen.
They ran him over 9 times per game under Brady and were basically playing desperation must-win playoff football for 7 weeks prior to the playoffs even starting.
None of what Shakir, Kincaid and Cook did under Brady can be expected to project without assuming Josh Allen rushes for 19-20 rushing TD's on 150-160 carries.
Because that is the pace it took just to keep the chains moving with that pop-gun cast of weapons.
And that's not adding in the 20 carries and 3 rush TD Allen needed to produce in the 2 playoff games.
The offense was entirely dependent on unsustainable usage of Josh Allen.
And as poorly as Diggs played in that 7 game stretch, his 43 yards per game projects to 741 yards.........which is more than Curtis Samuel or anyone they have on the roster put up last season.
But you don't see the fuss. 😂
They CLEARLY needed to get better around Allen.........and have instead leaned into the unsustainable by not adding quality and gambling on a bunch of vets coming off down-to-downright-awful seasons and a project rookie WR who never even put up 800 yards in college season.
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On 5/23/2024 at 8:37 AM, BuffaloBillyG said:
Yeah, I never get the idea of rooting for players that are on the Bills roster to fail from people that are supposed to be fans of the team. Those people would rather "be right" than see the success of others that would add to the success of the team. There's a distinct difference IMO between "thinking" he could be an early cut and "hoping" for it.
Yeah, I never got where people like you formulated this opinion that fans are rooting against the team just because they are being realistic about a player who has washed out due to his own poor attitude. Literally NOBODY said they hope he fails. Dude hasn't been worth a damn in two straight NFL seasons. And shame on @NewEra for advancing that idiotic line of BS.
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Yeah he was #1 on Feldman's Freaks list last season. Marvin Harrison Jr. was #2.
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1 hour ago, NewEra said:
Yes, they are suspect as a group- I never said that they weren’t. That doesn’t mean WR4-6 this year can’t be better than last years. Last years WR4-6 wasn’t even a WR4-6 it was WR4-5…..which just makes more point even stronger. This years is deeper than last year. It’s just not as good 1-5(6).
Yeah the downside of more slightly better scrubs is that they probably have to keep 6 and see how it sorts out. Last year they only HAD to keep 5 WR because the top 3 WR produced 2500+ yards and Harty was the starting punt returner. So they might lose 2 more roster spots out of the deal.
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4 hours ago, billvernsays said:
Watching the 2024 Embedded episode on the draft I noticed that McDermott said something along the lines of ,”We gotta get Van Pran” and then Beane says, “I’m gonna go Ray Davis here (in the 4th) then Van Pran” It’s awesome it worked out but this tells me that our scouting staff thinks very highly of Ray Davis. At the very least they liked him enough so to risk pissing off the head coach.
Thankfully Van Pran was still there in the 5th for us but the fact that Beane targeted and liked Ray Davis over all the other RB at that time says something.
It’s something I found it interesting as maybe it means that Ray Davis will be in for a bigger role than we thought.
That's the thing about non-premium/devalued positions...........you can usually find some players who look like they can become early career starters on day 3. Time will tell if they made a mistake selecting those positions to patch holes instead of leaning into premium position players at WR, OT and pass rusher and gambling a bit for potential higher impact return. It was a super-needy looking draft. Those tend to disappoint, hopefully that's not the case.
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5 hours ago, NewEra said:
It does though. That’s what “deep” means. Ever heard the term “top heavy” with regards to sports? Talent up top but lacking talent on the bottom. Deep is having good depth…. Hence using the word deep. Having 2 elite wrs and 4 terrible WRs doesn’t equal a deep unit.
You think all WR 4-6 are all equal too? Cool. I don’t. I think teams can have better positional depth than others. I think this WR has better depth than in years past. I think our starters this year are weaker than the previous 4 seasons.
yes, I think MVS and Hollins are better than Harty and Sherfield just like I thought Sherfield and Harty were better than Kumerow and dummy. They aren’t obscene takes by any means, but do you.
I think the whole concept of the Bills having a "deeper" WR corps thing started when they signed Curtis Samuel and everyone assumed they would also select a WR in round 1.........and probably trade up to get one of the top 4-5.
Samuel was going to be WR4......coming off another 600+ yard season.
Yeah, that's good depth.
But then they traded Diggs and ended up with the 8th best WR off the board(a younger player who looks like a project in Coleman).
Now, the Bills just have a whole bunch of guys who have never even had a single 900 yard season in the NFL for the first time since the mid 1980's. Coleman never even hit 800 yards in college.
Guys coming off 200-300 yard seasons and projecting to be your 4th and 5th WR is not notable "depth" either.
What they have is a very suspect WR corps.
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12 hours ago, Cash said:
Right. I’m not sure why everyone forgets that. I guess because Crowder got hurt so early? Poor planning on Beane’s part not to know about the broken leg in advance.
I’m pretty sure the plan for the slot that year was a platoon of McCrowder. McKenzie still doing the gadget stuff that he’d been so effective at in the past, plus playing more traditional slot snaps. Crowder would’ve been in on most 3rd downs, and would’ve played a role much more akin to the Dr. Cole Beasley role. McKenzie was never going to be that elite zone beater who can consistently move the chains, and I don’t think the Bills were planning on that.
Jamison Crowder was coming off a notably down season with a feeble, RB-like 8.8 yards per reception.........and he'd missed 4 games entirely in each of the prior 2 seasons.
The Crowder signing was akin to the signings of Mack Hollins or Chase Claypool or MVS..........the arrow was/is pointing downward on all these dudes.
What's crazy is that Crowder had a better career than any of those guys to that point but so many fans act like this is totally different. McCrowder was going to replace Beasley(stop me if you've heard this before) "in aggregate" because Crowder was good against zone and McKenzie was good against man. Pffffffft.
Fans keep falling for this sh!t every offseason.
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12 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:
Every team has a congregation of JAGS at the bottom of the depth chart, that's just the reality of filling a roster
The dolphins are probably claiming Berrios and River Cracraft are great depth...because they're behind Hill/Waddle/Beckham Jr
Yeah c'mon @NewEra .......better reserves alone does not equal a deeper WR corps.
Sure you replaced your 11 catch Trent Sherfield with an 18 catch Mack Hollins..........and your 15 catch Harty with a 21 catch MVS.
But how much do these 1-a-game kinda' catch guys move the needle and make the offense "great"?
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8 minutes ago, NewEra said:
Collins, Diggs, Mixon, Dell, Schultz
I’d easily take the Texans WRs over ours, but I prefer our TEs and RBs
The individual quality of RB's is not particularly indicative of the quality of an offense. WR and TE positions are. In typical, deep-offseason thinking fans here are assigning an equal value to that unit.
11 minutes ago, Einstein's Dog said:Josh is missing a high quality outside WR, how is this difficult for people to see.
Offseason mindset. The deeper we get into it, the more delusional fans get.
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7 hours ago, NewEra said:
I don’t believe we have a top 5 playmakers unit but I also don’t believe we have to have one to have a great offense.
I like the group and I think it’s the deepest WR we’ve had since we’ve been here. Basically meaning that the WR 4-6 this year are the best under McD. WR 1-3 is worse than every season in which Diggs played here but will be better than the units pre-Diggs
Our RBs are top of the line. Both Cook and Davis have tremendous potential in the pass game. Kincaid and Knox are one of the top TE duos in the league with Kincaid having untapped potential. That’s already 4 very solid pass catchers. All with above average to very good RAC ability.
Samuel, Shakir and Coleman all with very good RAC ability and adept at catching the ball. Hollins and MVS can both play outside and excel as blockers in both the run and pass game (as does Coleman). Claypool has some appeal too but I’m not counting on him. Overall, I think we have a great group of pass catchers from 1-20 yards.
It’s going to be all on Brady to scheme the 20+ passing game. I think samuel, shakir and Kincaid have the ability to separate and make plays downfield within the scheme of the play. Keon, MVS and Hollins more of downfield jump ball and scramble drill targets.
We have guys that can make plays. It’s all on Brady and 17 imo. I think we’ve seen teams with lesser groups of pass catchers win super bowls.
You are speaking in a lot of offseason vaguery.
What is a "great offense"? I'd say 29+ ppg is the floor for "great".
And how do you calculate that this is the "deepest WR corps" they've had? I think depth would be calculated by the sum of the value of each player. So having a better WR5 and WR6 *could* be a thing this season..........but the most important WR by far are WR1 and WR2. It's a lot like draft capital. The first rounder and second rounders worth a mountain of day 3 picks.
And last season the Bills basically ran with just 5 WR. There is value in lesser numbers with a higher average value.
As I've said before, during the drought there were lot's of years when the toughest cuts in camp were the 6th or 7th WR........"In aggregate" they still sucked because it's about quality not quantity.
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1 hour ago, Logic said:
For what it's worth (probably not much): My personal opinion is that the Bills would be JUST on the outside looking in of the "top five in the AFC" discussion.
In no particular order, I'd list the Texans, Chiefs, Dolphins, Bengals, Titans, and arguably the Jaguars as having better weapons than the Bills. So I'd probably have the Bills sixth or seventh. A big jump from Kincaid and Shakir could change that, but that's where I'd have it now.Browns are top 5 for sure. Got a returning 1250 yard WR in Amari Cooper.......acquired Jeudy who had like 750.......Elijah Moore had 640.......David Njoku almost 900 at TE.......plus Nick Chubb is a year removed from 1500 yards rushing.
Orlovsky is just shooting from the hip without looking closely. There are clearly 5 with significantly more proven talent and higher season projections.
The Bills are in a lower weight class than any of the top 7. Could they spring into it if there were unlikely events? Sure. But they are much closer to teams like Baltimore, Pittsburgh, Indy and the Jets. If one of them adds a player like Aiyuk they clearly move ahead of Buffalo.
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3 minutes ago, EasternOHBillsFan said:
Entertainment varies from the Broadway theater to three card monte on the street, so the definition of entertainment varies.
Rich Eisen, Stuart Scott, Chris Berman and Tom Jackson were all consummate professionals in the same industry, now replaced by people like Stephen A. and Pat McAfee, so yeah, I know the difference.
Eisen, Scott, Berman and Jackson were sports news show anchors. That's their identity and even in the case where they grew into different roles that's still roughly what they had to be. And even what they did didn't pass as "professionalism" to the generation of news anchors before them. Eisen was seen as a bit of a punk at ESPN, actually.
Stephen A and McAfee have shows dedicated to bar room level sport talk on the news topics of the day. Entirely different genre.
So no, you don't know the difference.
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22 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:
Exactly, they tried to make him a WR when he was a gadget player. He is fine as a WR4/5 gadget guy, he is terrible as a top 3 WR on a depth chart where you need to rely on him to try and get consistent production and move chains.
Lil' Dummy was a good example of a player just not being effective when asked to scale up. Which is the rule more than the exception. But you didn't want to tell that to anyone on the board in spring of 2022. Just like fans routinely cited Gabe Davis 4 TD playoff game as proof that he was a stud..........they cited McKenzie's 125 yard outlier in New England in 2021 to justify their assuredness that he was ready to fill Cole Beasley's role.
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Basically, it's a list of players all the media draftniks thought were going to get drafted much sooner.
The real sleepers are the guys like Christian Benford that nobody thought much of(including the teams that take them) but then turn into starting caliber players pretty quickly.
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56 minutes ago, EasternOHBillsFan said:
Sports media is now for hype, loud voices, drama, and foolishness. The days of the professional are over.
I mean, really. When did pro sports become all about entertainment value?
Oh yeah.........that's all it ever was.
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38 minutes ago, Einstein's Dog said:
I could see Claypool slotted in behind DK Metcalf on the depth chart. Similar builds and talent practicing for a similar role on the team. Seeing someone like Metcalf might help Claypool somewhat turn it around.
There are so many issues with Claypool from his attitude so sloppy game and low football IQ........it's hard to know where to begin. Anyone trusting in him is just being foolish. There is no indication that he's truly changed his entitled mindset and that he won't just quit when adversity arrives like he did the last two seasons. He really needs to start from the bottom and work his way back up as a WR6. In this WR corps, it's not like that. He might not have to do much to get up to WR4 even. If he really wants a long NFL career(which I doubt) then this just seems like an opportunity for him to make more excuses for himself.
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10 hours ago, Orlando Buffalo said:
I just looked at my history and my only comment on Sheffield was referencing what my student told me, which is he works best against a zone. In regards to Harty I only mentioned him a few times about individual plays, so would you like to tell me what you are referring to?
Yeah I was referencing people with irrational expectations in general.........like you with this group of injury washouts, has-been's, never-been's and the rookie 8th selected WR behind Samuel and Shakir. Where do you think the Bills WR corps ranks compared to the rest of the league? Is bottom-third good enough for you in the middle of Josh Allen's prime? It shouldn't be.
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41 minutes ago, SCBills said:
Fair point, but neither has the physical attributes of Claypool .. not even close.
And we’ve seen Claypool do it. No clue what happened to him, but it’s in there somewhere.
Nah, c'mon. You gotta' know that it's probably not in there.
If they don't have the want-to and have to earn playing time........the NFL game passes a player by thisquick.
We see it all the time.......these types of "I was lazy but now I try hard" stories almost exclusively end in failure. Often despite great promise without pads and contact.
You gotta' be determined to sustain success in the NFL. If not, the guys who do take it seriously will embarrass you the way they have been embarrassing him the past 2 seasons.
The guy took 2 years off when he should have been setting himself up with a $100M payday this offseason.
He blew it.
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37 minutes ago, NewEra said:
Same could be said for John Brown and Cole Beasley.
Josh got Gabe Davis 13M a year. Obviously a gross overpay. he made Robert Foster look like an NfL WR. He’s made chicken salad out of chicken **** before. He’ll do it again. Not sure who, but if we’re going to take this route (no big name WRs) i’m glad we’re rolling the low risk dice on physically talents guys.
No, Brown and Beasley were established AND currently successful players that were coming off solid seasons.
Samuel qualifies as someone who has been consistently solid and should be good.
But Mack Hollins had one good outlier season in an otherwise long career as a scrub WR......just like Sherfield and Harty.
Claypool fell off a cliff 2 years ago and hasn't been seen since. Much like Sherfield his season ended on a terrible route ran against the Bills that resulted in the Taylor Rapp INT that sealed the Bills win of the AFC East.
MVS is inexplicably coming off BY FAR his worst season as a pro and at age 30 most likely washed up and in the freezer.
I don't mind rolling the dice to fill out WR6 or WR7 but this would be a shabby f#cking unit to take to camp if you consider yourself a SB contender.
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41 minutes ago, Simon said:
I'm as interested in the fact that Josh Allen has never really had a WR quite like Claypool.
The suddenness and catch radius could be a boon to Allen; if they were to get on the same page, that could get real interesting, real quick.
Physically Claypool has always been a beast. Mentally he's been feeble/delusional. I'm expecting the latter to ultimately be who he is with the Bills. Just like I expected the version of Trent Sherfield who dropped a would-be TD pass and took a punt off his butt in his games against Buffalo in 2022 and not the Sherfield whose WR coach in SF "reportedly" told him that he should be starting over Brandon Aiyuk.
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2 hours ago, NoSaint said:
well shoot- if we are getting all of their best yearsThe Bills were supposed to be getting Sherfield and Harty's best years too. It was just a given to people like @Orlando Buffalo. I mean........they had never had a QB like Josh Allen. Right?
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4 hours ago, Logic said:
Chase Claypool taking the early lead in the 25th annual "Buffalo Bills offseason darling wide receiver" series.
Like with Drew Hadaad, Da'Rick Rodgers, Naaman Roosevelt, and Andy Isabella before him, I'm predicting 75 catches for 1,100 yards and 10 TDs.2022 was Tavon Austin
2023 was Trent Sherfield
I remember @NewEra getting pretty hot under the collar about Scott mocking Sherfield's outlook. And really didn't like the Jake Kumerow comparisons. "Poop" I think was the word.
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10 hours ago, Richard Noggin said:
Peterson's comments on this game and this play definitely didn't reflect well on OC Dorsey's passing concepts and personnel usage and the ease in identifying and preparing for those tendencies. Davis' usage in particular in both the run and pass games had become insanely telling pre- and post-snap. Earlier in the game, Minn d-linemen were able to time the Bills negative goal-line sneak in part because of Davis' predictable motion. So obvious, so often.
Are you suggesting Davis should have sped-up/shortened his route to protect inside leverage? I see it more as Davis didn't convincingly sell/threaten to the outside, especially in light of Peterson's expectation for Davis to break inside. Was Davis supposed to read Peterson's cheating inside and underneath and then break outside instead? Or did Dorsey simply telegraph the concept with his tendencies and personnel alignments and Peterson slow-played it just enough to bait Allen?
Also some room to criticize the throw, given the DB's leverage. Mirror of the same basic throw he fired into Davis for their 4th TD in the 13 seconds game (just breaking right-to-left instead), late, low trajectory missile that's underthrown if the CB is trailing/anticipating.
Remember last summer when Allen said his offseason work was centered around "in-breaking routes" and then the season kinda' ended because of an incompletion on an in-breaking route?
Oops.
Forcing those throws vs. Minnesota in 2022 and KC in the 2023 playoff loss when they had the defense on their heels just looks like impatience and a lack of maturity.
11 hours ago, Simon said:Miscommunication #634 with Davis
The whole back 7 was backpedaling to the end zone and Singletary was left truly wide open for AT LEAST a first down.........if not a touchdown.
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Dan Orlovsky: Bills offensive weapons are top five in the AFC, too many are sleeping on this team
in The Stadium Wall
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1. McBeane have pounded home the idea of not wanting Josh running the ball nearly as much as the prior season going into each season since 2020. It basically cost Ken Dorsey his job. So tell them it's "old". They know it's important they just don't want to commit to "building around the QB" as the #1 priority of their organization. When it obviously should be. And unfortunately, nobody has run the ball like JA17 has at the QB position and had a long career.
Add that to the fact that he holds the ball longer than anyone(mainly because his targets suck) and you have a recipe for a premature end to a career. Those increasingly common shoulder/elbow sprains/tears gradually turn into chronic pain and weakness. It's insane to have a player with this much arm talent and not do whatever is necessary to get back to that 2020 level of talent around him where he existed much more in the pocket. That guy was going to play QB at a high level until he was 40.
3. Instead of asking Josh Allen to be Tom Brady("less careless").........give him more weapons. This offense should be historic with his arm talent.